Becker BK7 snapped while processing wood

More to add to my gear list for backpacking - 4 and 10 lb hammers.

Is that a full axe or a hand axe? I usually have the second, but not the first. :o
 
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bring the hammers :D
 
steel sheets that from mil is not Absolutely healthy , there are Very small probabilies that have invisible wound spots and cracks here .

there are some bad snap accidents on internet , almost every production brand have the bad accidents here .

take it easy .
 
How many people go to the beach in the summer in Florida? 20-30 million? How many shark attacks? 3-5? Better percentage than getting into an auto accident.

The point is that if Becker made 20 knives a year this would be an issue. But if you make enough of anything a few bad ones are bound to get through. Becker stands by their product and that is a what matters. As for batoning style. I have done it all sorts of ways, but there are proper techniques which I never follow.
 
Bladite said:
/me ? i don't baton, because i'm lazy, and i can find dry tinder and twigs in quantity a lot faster :D

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To the casual observer, I might appear lazy, but in truth, I'm just "efficient." I conserve energy for important things.... I'm thinking the same is true for Bladite.
 
Cobalt said:
How many people go to the beach in the summer in Florida? 20-30 million? How many shark attacks? 3-5? Better percentage than getting into an auto accident.

The point is that if Becker made 20 knives a year this would be an issue. But if you make enough of anything a few bad ones are bound to get through. Becker stands by their product and that is a what matters. As for batoning style. I have done it all sorts of ways, but there are proper techniques which I never follow.
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If a prefer an average run of the mill car accident to a normal shark attack. Injuries and death are only a very small percentage of car accidents. Can that be said about shark attacks? :-D

Also how much time do the 20 million spend on a beach vs time in their cars?

If a shark attacks 1 in a million during one hour at a beach it's still worse than 4 car accidents in a million while driving 5 hours. I bet the ratio of what people drive vs time spent on beach is much much higher.

Sorry. Just a sucker for statistics and pointing out holes in the analysis which of course doesn't neccessarily mean that it's conclusion must be wrong.
 
Cobalt said:
How many people go to the beach in the summer in Florida? 20-30 million? How many shark attacks? 3-5? Better percentage than getting into an auto accident.

The point is that if Becker made 20 knives a year this would be an issue. But if you make enough of anything a few bad ones are bound to get through. Becker stands by their product and that is a what matters. As for batoning style. I have done it all sorts of ways, but there are proper techniques which I never follow.
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I totally agree with this. The truth is that it can happen to anyone. The companies worth buying from are the ones that handle these situations well (and of course, where its not a rampant problem).

I do often wonder if one of the reasons that people mention that other companies 1095 HT being better than Beckers, is simply because of the potential difference in the sheer number sold. Without total sales numbers for each brand though, this is hard to know, but I'd hazard to guess that Kabar/Becker sells a fair bit more (volume/sales numbers) than most of their "true/historic" competitors.

Jens Schuetz said:
If a prefer an average run of the mill car accident to a normal shark attack. Injuries and death are only a very small percentage of car accidents. Can that be said about shark attacks? :-D

Also how much time do the 20 million spend on a beach vs time in their cars?

If a shark attacks 1 in a million during one hour at a beach it's still worse than 4 car accidents in a million while driving 5 hours. I bet the ratio of what people drive vs time spent on beach is much much higher.

Sorry. Just a sucker for statistics and pointing out holes in the analysis which of course doesn't neccessarily mean that it's conclusion must be wrong.
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I wish they reported statistics like this for people in the same situation.

Sure, one in however many people die from shark attacks per year. But what percentage of people swimming in open water are attacked. THATS what I'm interested in (especially while I'm the one out there swimming). Same thing with lightening strikes, animal attacks, etc. If you average them out for the whole US population, of course it almost never happens. But how often do they happen to other people in the same situation.

Maybe I'm somewhat interested in stats. Or maybe I'm just paranoid while hiking in mountain lion country :p.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
If a prefer an average run of the mill car accident to a normal shark attack. Injuries and death are only a very small percentage of car accidents. Can that be said about shark attacks? :-D

Also how much time do the 20 million spend on a beach vs time in their cars?

If a shark attacks 1 in a million during one hour at a beach it's still worse than 4 car accidents in a million while driving 5 hours. I bet the ratio of what people drive vs time spent on beach is much much higher.

Sorry. Just a sucker for statistics and pointing out holes in the analysis which of course doesn't neccessarily mean that it's conclusion must be wrong.
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dammit, you know what I meant:D
 
Cobalt said:
oh, but look at this

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/isaf/what-are-odds/risks-comparison/risk-death

oh and by the way look at this poor great white being attacked by the nasty seal. He was just minding his own business when that seal jumped out at him:p

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Interesting link. I wish they'd state the risk per hour of a particular activity.
The pic is cool too. Reminds me of all the salmon attacking bears in streams. Poor guys are in so much agony that they have to open their mouths. Just like that shark. It appears to be screaming because of pain.
 
*** I was responding to the guys that were mentioning that you should have used an axe.. indicating its your fault.. I forgot to click reply all.. Still not sure why this thing doesnt have a delete feature when editing my post.


Nonsense excuses.. I hate those.. If a knife is not meant to be used for camping chores like this.. then there is NO reason for it to be any thicket than 1/8".. 3/16" and cant baton what looks like a not so knotty wood

Nathan Carothers chops nails with his
Busse can chop thru nails
Many other can to.. with NO excuses.. not that they should be used as such on a daily basis

Ive actually seen more than a couple people on YT making of chopping nails, with even the same steel, 1095, BUT heat treated by Peters heat treat. Kabar has a video on Yt showin the heat treat process, and I can tell that it is nowhere as extensive or detail oriented as Peters.

Like I said Ive seen a guy chop thru a nail with a 6" knife made of 1095 but heat treated by Peters, and had slightly more damage than a properly heat treated 3v..

So obviously this breakage is a problem of a quick heat treat. Quantity over quality

That being said.. those other knives I mentioned cost quite a bit more.. so for $75 Becker is good value.. But that doesnt mean I would not expect them to have some sorta lifetime warranty that they actually honor.

A new knife would be expected, or money back. Even at $75

Most people that are not into knives, get a heart attack when I tell them I spent anywhere near $75 on a single knife.. Much less $500 on a custom. Not everyone can drop even $75 on a knife.. like some folks on this site (you know who you are) can.
 
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Shrug. Stuff breaks. I doubt this is a heat treat issue - it's not like they forgot to anneal the thing. More likely there was a flaw in the steel, or bad technique, or plain bad luck.

I've abused the living hell out of my bk9 - a longer knife, subjected to more abuse, batonning through thicker wood, and it's held up just fine - as, the anecdotal evidence seems to support, do most beckers in the field.

Ultimately it's a cheap chunk of 1095 with a nice grind on it. Beat the crap out of it until it fails - then warranty the thing if you must. That's what it's for.

It's not like higher-end knives don't also fail under the same or similar circumstances from time to time.
 
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