Becker For an Expedition....

Chameleonbear said:
I would use my current hammock although I would throw a wool blanket underneath. It's a GI jungle hammock so it has the netting and roof for rain already. I would also bring a tarp.

As for beckers I'd have my 13 on my neck, and I'd be carrying a 7.

As for arms, I'd be carrying my grandfather's old FN over-under. It was MADE for it. It was a 22LR on top and a 12ga on bottom.

Would it be walking only or would vehicles be around? I would be carrying probably 2 canteens of water, along with more purifying tabs.

I'd make sure I had a compass along with a topo map of the area I was going to. I'd make sure I had a fire steel, and a honing steel or strop of some sort. Plenty of deodorant and good boots.
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Winner...
 
After thinking a bit more I might leave the 45-70 home and take the AR and swap out the 6.8 upper for the Beowulf .50 instead. Since nobody said anything about hunting, I am looking at it from a protection from BFA perspective. I would hate to be charged by a rhino and only have a 22.
I would have all 12 guys loaded down with skins by the end of the month. The price of elephant hide by the sqf is just obscene.
 
I think I would take a BK14 with a 30-30 lever gun (I would probably take a Marlin over my classic 94)... And I would tell someone else to carry a BK9. We could just trade when we need to use one or the other. Also tell someone to bring a 223 rifle.
 
BK 16, only one I have in the size I want on my hip. Most useful size out there IMO.
Cambelbak Trizip pack, 2 stainless steel water bottles with nesting cups, firesteel, compass, maps, pcord, jute twine, 10x10 sil tarp, hammock with sketter netting. Lowa hiking boots, multiple do rags for my melon, cabelas bug suit top/bottom , large shamwow towel
6 pairs smart wool socks, shemagh, 3 pair shorts, 2 pair nylon long pants, 2 long sleeve shirts, 2 nylon button down short sleeve shirts, 4 pair of drawers, 1 jock strap, small med kit, small 10x42 binos, machete attached to pack, 2 magnesium bars
If there is any room remaining in my pack I am loaded down with protein bars/dehryd food and tea

H&R Survivor rifle in 45 LC/410 - breaks in half and can be packed, holds 10 45LC shells in buttstock. Single shot so I am not waisting shells, 25 410 #71/2 shells and 50 rounds 45LC 240 Grs.

No need for a side arm as I only have to be faster than Moosez45

Total weight 43 lbs and I will probably want a larger Mystery Ranch frame pack if I am out that long.
 
When it comes to hunting other -dangerous game, two models stand out. They are the (new model) Marlin 1895 (.45-70 and .450 Marlin) and Browning BLR (.300 Win. Mag. and .450 Marlin). In these three calibers these two lever actions are adequately powerful for all of the world's large predators within the range limitation of their cartridges. In the two .45 caliber cartridges, with appropriate loads, they should be satisfactory for most of the world's bovines, with the exception of Cape buffalo.

From the experts......
 
Are we hunting or just packing from one place to another? If hunting then I want a bigger gun and the other 11 guys can carry all the gear.
 
Don't forget to bring some nice heavy dense bullets so you get deep penetration on the big game. None of that hollow point BS :)
I don't think it's illegal to kill big game if it's trying to kill you, plus if you have that many people you can eat the evidence....
 
hunter55 said:
I have not replied specifically to Sam Hell. I am sorry Sam Hell and excuse me.
My reply was referring to all the contributors in the specific thread. I have read some strange opinions as well I found some right opinions - exceptions in the whole package and for that reason I decided to write something. I have hunted big game in Africa, sometimes, and I know what I am saying / proposing to others. At least I am not trying to "show how smart I supposedly am"...
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Hunter, I'm pretty sure this thread was all about fun. My Africa/Asia hunting reading has been limited to Capstick, Corbett, Roosevelt, and I believe John Boyd(?) the King of the Wakikuyu(sp?). I realize often a light rifle in africa is a .300 magnum of some sort and antelope are often shot with .375s, or so I read. These people also have someone else carry their rifles and gear. As for threats in the jungle, if cape Buffalo is a jungle threat, please tell me about it because I'm here to learn. I'll be the first to admit I'm very ignorant about the subject and thought they were more open ground/scrub dwellers. You seem to have knowledge on the subject and I'd love to get your ideas. You told us what won't work, but not what will. Though, as I was used as an example of ignorance (which can be pretty accurate at times:)), I must say that the largest of game has fallen to a well placed heavy, hard cast bullet from a .44 magnum, which I mentioned. If I may, I'd suggest you read up on Larry Kelly, J. D. Jones, John Taffin, and Elmer Kieth. Take care.
 
.357 S&W and an 835 mossie with slugs, buck and 6's.

As far as steel goes, I'd have to agree with Moose on the BK7 for versatility and a BK14 because I don't leave home without it.

A couple of sticks of dynamite in the top of the pack for "signaling". :D
 
If its only a one knife option I would go with the bk7, defiantly the most versatile. If i could take more that one i think i would take the bk 17 for delicate chores and the bk 9 or machaxe for heavy duty work. Cool question.
 
I actually decided to consult with a friend who is from Central Africa. I told him that I would bring...a BK2, a BK15 and for protection a 1911 or a usfa .44 storekeeper with a Mossberg 12g ..& at least 25 slugs..along with normal survival gear. He laughed and said..."what, only two knives?" lol. He said he would bring the bk2 because it wont break, the bk15 for food and a short machete or Brute, and nothing less than a .45/.44/.357 for personal protection. We were up in the air about the shotgun tho..only due to weight. So I suggested a CAR-15 and he smiled and said "yes, yes that is what you will need". This is an expedition so safety is a top priority.
 
Remora(I'll buy one before the swim over), whiskey and bbq sauce(I'll taste like crap to those animals otherwise).
 
jdk1 said:
Hunter, I'm pretty sure this thread was all about fun. My Africa/Asia hunting reading has been limited to Capstick, Corbett, Roosevelt, and I believe John Boyd(?) the King of the Wakikuyu(sp?). I realize often a light rifle in africa is a .300 magnum of some sort and antelope are often shot with .375s, or so I read. These people also have someone else carry their rifles and gear. As for threats in the jungle, if cape Buffalo is a jungle threat, please tell me about it because I'm here to learn. I'll be the first to admit I'm very ignorant about the subject and thought they were more open ground/scrub dwellers. You seem to have knowledge on the subject and I'd love to get your ideas. You told us what won't work, but not what will. Though, as I was used as an example of ignorance (which can be pretty accurate at times:)), I must say that the largest of game has fallen to a well placed heavy, hard cast bullet from a .44 magnum, which I mentioned. If I may, I'd suggest you read up on Larry Kelly, J. D. Jones, John Taffin, and Elmer Kieth. Take care.
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Dear jdk1, with all my respect and taking under consideration that (according to “pugs75”) “How about we just keep it to knives”, just a few more words (always IMHO):
1st. I have never said that a Cape Buffalo is a threat in the jungles or forests of Central Africa. In jungle of Africa you can meet leopard, jungle elephant, okapi (speaking about large animals). You can find there also the giant forest hog, the western bongo etc.
2nd. Thank you for the suggestions as far as the books. The Keith’s book(s) have already mentioned by me.
3nd. I want to underline that in Africa the rule is “use enough gun” and of course “be prepared for the unexpected”. You never know what is going to meet in your foot-trekking expedition in the next …corner of the bush or jungle. So in the group have to be at least one adequate gun– for buck-up purposes. And for Africa, depending the environment, and generally speaking, adequate gun is one with caliber over .300 magnum. Follow the general rule for African hunting “.375 H&H Magnum is the MINIMUM for the dangerous game”. And you never know when you will meet dangerous game. As writer and hunter Graig Boddington says (in his books) “in general, choices should favor the heavier animals that MIGHT be encountered – being overgunned seems a much less costly mistake than being undergunned!”. Usually calibers up to .300 magnum are enough for meat but in the dangerous situation (close encounter with a dangerous big animal) then you need the above mentioned “enough gun” (then you need “power”). Leopard itself is another story. In the dense bush or forest where the distances are so close, the adequate gun – besides a .375 or more rifle – is a 12-gauge shotgun (not an automatic but a pump-action, just for reliability purposes) with 3-inches Magnum buckshots, specially as a buck-up gun in the case of wounded animal (with enough spread of the pellets) in order to anticipate the predator which is moving and attacking like a lightning.
 
A Bk-13 and a Colt 25 auto...lol.
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jdk1 said:
Hunter, I'm pretty sure this thread was all about fun. My Africa/Asia hunting reading has been limited to Capstick, Corbett, Roosevelt, and I believe John Boyd(?) the King of the Wakikuyu(sp?). I realize often a light rifle in africa is a .300 magnum of some sort and antelope are often shot with .375s, or so I read. These people also have someone else carry their rifles and gear. As for threats in the jungle, if cape Buffalo is a jungle threat, please tell me about it because I'm here to learn. I'll be the first to admit I'm very ignorant about the subject and thought they were more open ground/scrub dwellers. You seem to have knowledge on the subject and I'd love to get your ideas. You told us what won't work, but not what will. Though, as I was used as an example of ignorance (which can be pretty accurate at times:)), I must say that the largest of game has fallen to a well placed heavy, hard cast bullet from a .44 magnum, which I mentioned. If I may, I'd suggest you read up on Larry Kelly, J. D. Jones, John Taffin, and Elmer Kieth. Take care.
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Dear jdk1,
I would like to send to you something writen about African hunting - there is no reason at all to engage the whole thread with that. The main purpose of the thread is the knives and of course it is all about fun. If you provide me with your e-mail address I will manage to send what I want to send.
 
Fun and a topic of discussion about knives and our gear, gentlemen.

Each person is allowed their opinion.

No, this isn't a real trip, its just one that I would love to take someday, thats all.

Discussing knives is fun but its more fun to imagine an area and use of said knives. Plus, I re read Congo. :D.

Moose
 
For me it would be a BK 9. My Firearms would be a Rossi Model 92 in 45 Colt, and my Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt. Loaded with big WFN Lead bullets.
 
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