Becker speculation...

stevetexas said:
I can read a little bit....I can read this far....

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4300567&postcount=10

And it seems that common and normal carbon steel is the same as the so called Carbon V.

Whatever.

PS. your can of wupass seems to have turned into pussyjuice
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Steve, given the fact that Phil actually worked for Camillus in a design capacity, I'm inclined to believe his version of events. Cougar meant well in posting that the two steels are the same, but he doesn't have the insider's perspective on which name came first.

I too assumed that you could read, that you saw Phil's name in red indicating he's a moderator here, and that you realized he worked for Camillus when these steels were coming down the pipeline for the first time.
 
Hi Steve.

You seem to have a somewhat jaded consumer’s perspective!
Can’t say I can blame you for that. Many companies in the past have marketed knives made from “Mystery Super Steel”
Prior to my arrival at Camillus Cutlery Company, advertising literature referred to Camillus Sword Steel being used on their Sword Brand knives.
It was 440B!

I no longer work for Camillus, so I have no allegiance to them.

I have never worked for Cold Steel, same applies!

I just believe that, whenever possible, truth in knife history should prevail over legend, opinions & excrement.

Cold Steel’s marketing is very focused on performance, any one want to debate that?
However, unlike several other companies, they do have a focus & commitment to improving performance.

The following is not my opinion; it is FACT.

Carbon V is a proprietary steel formulation developed by Dan Maragni for Cold Steel.
It is NOT 1095, CV, or any other standard steel grade.
Custom steel formulations must be manufactured to your specifications by specialty steel mills, hence the need to buy an entire “heat”.
No other Brand of knives has ever used Carbon V except Cold Steel, and a few Camillus lines, EVER!

Patenting a steel formulation is neither practical nor logical.

Feel free to form an opinion over whether it was worth Cold Steel’s effort & cost to do it.
Just don’t refer to the fact that they did as silly.
 
Hi Phil :) ,

Thank you for your comments.

It makes me sad and angry to see Camillus going down the tube now. It makes me want to kick something.

Steve
 
I'm definately with you on that Steve!
Prefer to kick someone than something.
Trust me, I am working on that in my own little way!

The real sadness, for me at least, is not just the loss of a 130 year old American company, but the WASTE of talents of 100+ skilled American Knifemakers. Not to mention the devastation to those knifemakers lives!!

I worked there almost 27 years, & I was the newbie of the group!!
 
I have learned a lot on this thread. I am not a knife maker or machinist or steel maker. I am a user and collector of knives. Back when Cold Steel came out, I started buying their knives. Some of their early kukris were advertised as being made of 1095 steel. They worked fine for me. Later, I got the much more expensive Carbon V models. They cut well and seemed to hold an edge even better than the old ones. I also own 4 Beckers and other Camillus knives, like the Mk. 2 and AF survival. They are all useful, good American-made blades. I probably own more Ontario knives than any other brand. They have perfomed well for me, but I have not abused them to the level some testers might. My big question is, what is wrong with 1095 steel? I noticed that TOPS uses it. They are sort of high end expensive blades. I just ordered a Tom Brown Tracker. I don't need it, but it looks practical and interesting. I am very sad to see Camillus going down. I carried one in Laos.
 
Hi guys. Nice forum. Appreciate all your contributions.

I Phil. I remember first encountering you name when I was in the reviewing- knife-patents phase. Dang...thousands of them. Anyway good to meet you.

About 25 years ago, give or take a couple, I lived in Syracuse, was interested in folding blade metalurgy and manufacture, and someone gave me the phone number of a fellow named Dan Maragni. Well, at his shop 'out in the middle of nowhere' (so my memory tells me) I distinctly remember him doing some desctructive testing on some 'tanto' style fixed knives. And that he said he was performing those tests for a manufacturer.

Phil, your post #17 brought back that memory clear as a bell. Thank you. I often wondered what Dan might have been doing all these years.

This post doesn't add much to the current conversation but I couldn't resist introducing myself and adding this 1/4 century old remembrance of Dan Maragni.

Later
 
P.S. Dan Maragni wouldn't know me from a stack of wood, but to the above I must add, he sure was animated when I met him some 25 ago! I distinctly remember him being very excited about what he was doing, very ummm, very hungry for knowledge, for answers. Sounds like he is still quite in the mix.
 
i just keep haveing 20/20 hind sight. all those years, you could buy usa made blades, they were everywhere. thinking you get them anytime. ah back in the day.
 
When Schrade went under, tons of knives were dumped on the market, lately prices have doubled over the last year or two for good fixed blades.
With Camillus, there are no tons of knives, and depending on what happens, prices may go up very quickly.... buy what you need now.
AT any rate, the company, using only a handful of employees, will not be able to keep up, unless they only focus on their best sellers, which will make the ones left by the wayside, become collectors items.
 
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