Being "discreet" and "sheeple friendly" is part of the problem

I always try to offer my knife to someone that is in need of it. Usually to the ever present Sheepie. I usually carry a fairly large custom folder that looks good and almost always gets the "OOOOOH". Let THEM make the cut or slice. It automatically becomes a shared experience. If they want to talk about what just happened, I do so. If not, I just put it back in my pocket and go about my business. Each time I do this I know that I have removed a little fear and ignorance from at least one person. It seems to work just fine.
Greg
 
I also sharpen people's knives and talk alot about cooking and knives.

but I don't lay it on thick.

I always talk about swiss army knives too and I think they have done more then anyone else for the knife industry. saks are in more movies where knives are shown in a positve light.

I always have my swiss army out at bbq and gatherings cleaning my nails and teeth(toothpick)

but I don't walk into work with a busse BM on my belt.

is that pandering to the masses?

context is everything!!

"location" "location" "location"


I think it comes down too how far is too far! and that is a personal thing

what Amy said was great, and for her a calendar is a great step. for me it is saks. for someone who works in an outdoor job where a large knife is contextually necessary then great.

In fact in most places the knife laws are contextural whether it says on the books 4" FB is ok if you are walking into a federal building the law changes. if you work at a preschool and you carry a BM openly or otherwise you are gonna be in serious $hit.

so really it comes down to where you work and what can you get away with. I LOVE my job and I am not gonna blow it off so I can carry a fixed blade on my belt. though I am comfortable with one on my belt.
 
OwenM,

I think that shortgoth is trying to remind us of the perils of not paying attention. All it takes these days is one complaint. Today I phoned 'and' emailed my local representitives...advising them on issues that were important to me. I have never done this before...but I may make a habit of it. :)


Steve-O
 
put their money where their mouths are and walk into federal buildings with their large uncomprising blades. and explain that they are pushing the envelope on thier rights.

you aren't gonna do that! right! right!

so that is too far for you and you aren't really willing to sacrifice

so what are you really talking about?

really?


if you don't pander then challenge the law! or we can organize protest rally and walk the street of DC proclaiming our knife love, we would get on the news.
 
OwenM, since I don't want to drag this thread down into a flamewar, I sent you an e-mail.
 
we've got our fair share of soccer moms,but we've also got a lot of people that understand a need for a knife.
i have never gotten a second glance from someone when carrying a fixed blade.

discreet,shmishcreet. carry what you want, screw the soccer moms.
 
People shouldn't worry about carrying and using larger knives, as long as they don't do it with a bad attitude. If you carry a large knife for in-your-face shock value, then that ain't good, but if you just pull it out and use it when you need it, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Carrying a knife is, literally, abnormal behavior. Most people don't carry knives and the ones who do are in a small minority. It's up to the knife carriers to convince the non-knife people that there's nothing wrong with what they're doing.

That's why I don't like the term "sheeple". It's a standoffish insult that dismisses those who don't share our views. It creates an "us vs. them" mindset that's counterproductive.

If you carry a large knife with a good attitude though, you might be suprised at what you can get away with. :) I remember James Mattis writing about how he carried a Vaquero Grande. That's easily one of the scariest looking knives out there. He used it openly and was actually able to convince some old ladies at his synagogue to use it to cut bread!

I think that, to at least some degree, people react more to your attitude than the knife. If someone says, "Whoa... what do you need that thing for, OJ?" when you pull out your knife, you can respond in a couple of different ways. You could get all defensive, make a smart-ass comment, or just flee to the nearest internet knife forum and whine: "Those stupid sheeple! They're idiots!". Or, you could respond by smiling and talking to them, and at least try to gently reassure them. How you act makes a big difference in how people will interpret the event.
 
My response to the sheeple is always the same. "What, it's just a pocket knife, don't you have one? Then i tell them not to worry that i'm one of the good guys. Most seem to believe this because of the way i act. Remember, actions speak louder than words. It is really sad when our society has the honest, law abiding citizen thinking that something they are doing is wrong when they know they are not. I refuse to allow this and if a person has a problem with me than it's a personal problem, and it's theirs, not mine. Thanks, i feel much better now.
 
If this person has rarely been in a situation where they NEEDED a knife, then they are not going to understand why we carry them with us everyday. This is not meant to offend, just my .02 cents. Thanks for listening.


Had to edit.....can't spell this early....sorry.
 
Originally posted by chrisaloia
put their money where their mouths are and walk into federal buildings with their large uncomprising blades. and explain that they are pushing the envelope on thier rights.


As of yet, I have not had a need to visit a federal building, but I can guarantee you that when/if I do, I will carry what I always carry. Being that I am an American, and this is a free country, and I have familiarized myself with the knife laws in my state, I will carry what I want within the bounds of the law, and will take exception if I find myself being harassed, whenever & wherever such harassmant occurs.
If this turns out to be a federal building full of big bad boogeymen that feel the need to try to arbitrarily and personally restrict my rights as a Human Being or my freedoms as an American, then we'll just have to see what happens.

you aren't gonna do that! right! right!


No, it's you that are obviously not going to do that, and yet you feel the need to project your fears of the "federales" onto the rest of us. This is America after all, why not avail yourself of the freedoms that we have left here, before it's too late?

so that is too far for you and you aren't really willing to sacrifice


Sacrifice what? You obviously have no real concept of what sacrifcing really means, but you may very well get the chance to find out if you do not take steps to protect your rights and freedoms.

so what are you really talking about?


If you have read this thread and still do not understand it, then trying to explain it again probably will not help.

It seems you feel your rights & freedoms are dependant on the charity and generosity of the masses and that you have no recourse other than to tread lightly and wait for the axe to fall, which is most certainly a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
As I write this post I am sitting in a federal buliding ( on breaktime)....having read all these posts the main reaction I am having is depression. I used to come in to work with a minimum of an Delica as my EDC...now, due to the metal detector I must pass through, I am down to carrying a Ladybug. This apparently is not enough metal to set anything off.
How sad that I cannot carry what I want to. The Ladybug is really too small for my needs while the Delica was just right. But am I going to fight it...of course not. I know that they are CONFISCATING SAKs on key rings. If I were to fight this would it make it worse ? I think the answer is YES.
FYI I also come in with a MICRA on key ring. But I guess that since it is folded not one of the guards realizes what it is.
I do not know where we are headed with this knife attitude in this country.
 
Originally posted by Tony Perez
How sad that I cannot carry what I want to. The Ladybug is really too small for my needs while the Delica was just right. But am I going to fight it...of course not. I know that they are CONFISCATING SAKs on key rings.


On whose authority are they confiscating other peoples property?
Does anyone oppose it? Does anyone fight it? Is it illegal to carry a knife into the building?

Or do people just "learn a lesson the hard way" and do without the property?

If I were to fight this would it make it worse ? I think the answer is YES.


How do you think it might get worse?

I do not know where we are headed with this knife attitude in this country.


It's obvious where we are headed, but I guess we are just helpless to do anything about it.
 
I have often talked here and in my home state to knife enthusiasts and non enthusiasts about the ridiculous laws prohibiting automatic knives. The enthusiasts are generally the most fearful, afraid that bringing the subject into the light will cause further restrictions or possibly outright bans.

Basically the same argument as I'm hearing from many in this thread. Don't bring it to people's attention and they can't outlaw it.

Personally I disagree lock, stock, and barrel.

We call the USA the land of the free, and the home of the brave. Without bravery, there is no freedom. It is the same principal as my signature line.

Brandon
 
OK, time for some best-practices or inspirational stories. I want to read a post about an instance where someone was prohibited (unfairly) from carrying their choice of knife, and they successfully fought against this injustice and made their situation better. I think it would be motivational for those of us who generally avoid this confrontation to read about positive instances where action was boldly taken.

As an aside, there seems to be a general trend in this thread -- the side of the issue forumites fall on may relate to geography? Not a negative comment, I've just not noticed this before.
 
I think you DO have a right to carry a knife. Don't you have the right to BEAR arms? Doesn't that mean to carry?
 
Originally posted by Tony Perez
As I write this post I am sitting in a federal buliding ( on breaktime)....having read all these posts the main reaction I am having is depression. I used to come in to work with a minimum of an Delica as my EDC...now, due to the metal detector I must pass through, I am down to carrying a Ladybug. This apparently is not enough metal to set anything off.

Tony,
Please check out this thread in the Knife Laws forum. It is not illegal to bring a knife into a Federal building (courthouses are a whole different ballgame). Politely ask security what their basis for banning knives is. Be prepared with a copy of 18 USC sec. 930. They may not even be aware that a sub 2 1/2" blade pocketknife is not a dangerous weapon by statutory definition.

Sitting here in my office (Poff Federal Building, Roanoke, VA) with an A.T. Barr folder, blade length 2 7/16". :cool: Sheeple friendly not necessarily because of its size, but because it's a classy gents folder.
 
mikmck,

Federal buildings have been confiscating (in all states) knives and any potentially dangerous item since "rightwing" extremest Timothy macviegh (SP?) blew up the fed building in oklahoma.

knives are also illegal beyond the x-ray machines at the gate in airports. because of terrorists.


Do I think this is a proprer solution? HELL NO!

but the fact is cause a very few guys are gonna continue to walk around with larger than necessary knives isn't going to change public opinion in the slightest. cause though you might need to open a box and help your fellow citizen with a smile and a bowie there still is the general fear factor of population at large of a repeat attack.

what I am saying is the bad images outwiegh the small good samaritan with the smile and a knife.

and even as bravado as you talk you will go along with society or what become a terrorist?

In Japan during the Meji revolution where they outlawed public carry of samurai swords. the public decided change was necessary and the times dictated change. so there were some extremists who committed suicide on the streets and I think some killings and I am sure some more toned down stuff. but guess what........you still cannot walk the streets with a samurai sword.

times are changing for a multitude of reasons, do I like it? HELL NO! but that isn't the point. terrorists, fears , economic woes foreign policy all kinds of stuff.

in fact everyone who thought voting for GWB would make a difference have found out 2 things politicians follow public opinion at all costs and everyone also thought he was a good ol'country boy but whether he is or not the world at large is more important than whether a country boy can carry a bowie. Do you think he cares about your gun rights? HELL NO! if the majority of people want them gone then that is it. they will be gone.

I know you are from texas and that is famous as land of the hold outs. Since Daniel Boon but it will get down to you!

all I say is hold as as long as you can I am not against you.








btw I wasn't being sarcastic about organizing a rally on the DC streets. this to me seems the only logical way to change the course of public opinion.
 
Originally posted by chrisaloia
mikmck,
Federal buildings have been confiscating (in all states) knives and any potentially dangerous item since "rightwing" extremest Timothy macviegh (SP?) blew up the fed building in oklahoma.


So it must be legal, right? After all, it's the "government", and they always know what's best...

I can't even reply to the rest of your post, except to say that I honestly do not understand how you manage to keep going day after day, with the obvious mindset that you have absolutely no control over your life beyond the simple basics, and no voice capable of bringing about a change for the better.

I sincerely wish you the best that you deserve.
 
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