Benchmade Discussion without Politics or Insults

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madcap_magician said:
Actually, they're not. All donations listed on Open Secrets from Benchmade are identified as having come from individuals. All donations listed under Les de Asis are listed under his name with Benchmade listed as his occupation.

Benchmade employees donated to Kurt Schrader, who is the incumbent Democrat representative in their district and who is generally pro-2A, and someone inexplicably to Martin Heinrich, who is the junior senator from New Mexico and is also generally pro-2A.
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Benchmade has been supporting land conservation laws on their social media for as long as I have been following them. They generally urge everyone to call their senators and representatives, and I'm sure many of their donations have been in line with these campaigns. For example, the most recent one they posted about, Senate Bill S.47, was introduced by a Republican senator from Arizona, but was also co sponsored by Martin Heinrich, among other Democrats and Republicans. There's a lot more to politics, politicians, and political donations than whether they are "pro-gun" or "anti-gun," and I believe Benchmade has been very upfront about their political support for land conservation laws, which I find very commendable.
 
Silent H said:
Benchmade has been supporting land conservation laws on their social media for as long as I have been following them. They generally urge everyone to call their senators and representatives, and I'm sure many of their donations have been in line with these campaigns. For example, the most recent one they posted about, Senate Bill S.47, was introduced by a Republican senator from Arizona, but was also co sponsored by Martin Heinrich, among other Democrats and Republicans. There's a lot more to politics, politicians, and political donations than whether they are "pro-gun" or "anti-gun," and I believe Benchmade has been very upfront about their political support for land conservation laws, which I find very commendable.
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Yup. There is a lot more to this than what people are willing to look into.

Issues are rarely black and white, yet we now live in a society where people treat them as such. Outrage is the name of the game no matter the issue.
 
craytab said:
Seriously?

If you live in a place that effectively bans guns, guess who you are paying taxes to. Top hint, the same government that has taken away your guns.

Again, how deeply do people want to look into things? The hypocrisy could get embarrassing.
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I think you are misrepresenting “bans” versus “limitations”.
How many times have you seen a politician campaign on the abolishment of 2a and win?
 
I'm totally fine with Benchmade helping the police department destroy some illegal guns. They are just chunks of metal people, not sacred objects. America already has a lot of them and we are making more constantly.

As for the CEO supporting Wyden, I'm cool with that too, but then, I'm also a California hippy liberal :P

(and Bugout is one of my favorite knives to carry, go Benchmade! Wish I had had time to stop at your factory store when I was up there last year.)

(also, I'm fine with some of you folks deciding to not buy Benchmade any more because the CEO supports Wyden. That's your right and there are some companies I don't support for similar reasons. I do wish some of you wouldn't be so ... exuberant about it though.)
 
craytab said:
I'm not playing this game with you.
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Benchmade has made a MAJOR business error that I believe will cost them BIG bucks. I like their knifes and own many. I doubt they will find this a game after all the smoke clears. I agree with Mittenstatemashers and this is not a game as suggested by members with huge posts.
 
For me, them saying "We support the 2A" means nothing. To heal the wounds here, they need to show how they have been supporting the 2A. Who knows maybe they been donating to the NRA and its just not on public record.

Thier silence on this issue is only hurting them by driving the wedge further between thier customers.
 
Norcaldude said:
I'm totally fine with Benchmade helping the police department destroy some illegal guns. They are just chunks of metal people, not sacred objects. America already has a lot of them and we are making more constantly.

As for the CEO supporting Wyden, I'm cool with that too, but then, I'm also a California hippy liberal :p

(and Bugout is one of my favorite knives to carry, go Benchmade! Wish I had had time to stop at your factory store when I was up there last year.)

(also, I'm fine with some of you folks deciding to not buy Benchmade any more because the CEO supports Wyden. That's your right and there are some companies I don't support for similar reasons. I do wish some of you wouldn't be so ... exuberant about it though.)
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Easy for you to say. I woke up and discovered my favorite knife was a damn socialist.
 
craytab said:
So your tax money goes to fund anti 2a stuff as well. Again, how deep do people want to look at things? When do you not get outraged?
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It's possible to be outraged at my state government and also at Benchmade. As for funding my state, what choice do I have? I can move somewhere else and pretend the Anti-2A agenda isn't going to follow, but it does. I choose to stay here and fight.

I'm part of the local Pro-2A groups and part of several national Pro-2A groups. I sent letters, testified, etc.

As for banning guns, CT has done so in name only. They banned high cap magazines (grandfather clause) and AR-15s. Except for prebans. You can even own silencers/suppressors and machine guns here. You can still buy them everyday. That's how asinine our law is.

But this topic is about Benchmade and their Pro-2A stance.
 
The crux of the issue for me isn't the discrete instance of gun destruction, or even political donations, though I find it distasteful.

The issue is Benchmade repeatedly has made claims to "Support the 2nd Amendment" as well as using that ostensible support in advertisement campaigns, and now Matt Elliott just went on the podcast and claimed "Millions of dollars" have gone to 2nd Amendment causes with no supporting evidence.

The only evidence is:
Oregon state law doesn't require destruction of guns - ORS 166.279 (4)
OCPD Policy is to destroy guns, and it's within their own purview whether to destroy, sell, or utilize them for service/training purposes.
It's hard to believe pro-2nd amendment claims when they help an anti-gun PD execute it's anti-gun policy and claim "supporting LEO" as the reason, because blind support for LEO is nonsensical on either end of the political spectrum.

There is no gray area, no I support the 2nd but..., for most of us who are upset with this, and the only evidence available does not paint a pretty picture regarding Benchmade's claims and occasional sales pitch.

Back up Mr. Elliott's claims with some verifiable data and I'll lay off. I won't buy more Benchmade, ever again, but I'll lay off, and I suspect the majority of those currently fired up about this would as well.
 
Obcessed said:
Benchmade has made a MAJOR business error that I believe will cost them BIG bucks. I like their knifes and own many. I doubt they will find this a game after all the smoke clears. I agree with Mittenstatemashers and this is not a game as suggested by members with huge posts.
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He's trying to play a semantics game and I'm not interested when the actual subject matter is so serious.
 
I'm open to look at anything that says Benchmade is pro 2A. I'm sure the digging will be deep and thorough and the truth will make its way to the surface.
 
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