Benchmade Discussion without Politics or Insults

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madcap_magician said:
Well, you're free to hold that opinion. I think it's a bit harder to argue that Benchmade and Strider are equivalent, since if Mick and Duane disappeared, so would Strider Knives, whereas if Les disappeared, someone different would (and has) taken over.



No, I didn't misread it, nor did I say that some of the politicians Les or Benchmade employees funded weren't anti-gun. Just that most of them weren't. I am also open to being wrong on that count, since I didn't look at the background of every recipient.
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When someone runs a company they are that company and it reflects their wishes and opinions. When they pass the torch to the next guy it can change, I agree with that. It can also stay the same or get worse. Isn't transparency amazing?

In any case, it's ok to disagree.
 
madcap_magician said:
Er, Title 52, Subtitle III, Chapter 301, Subchapter I, Section 30118 of the USC seems to say otherwise. Corporations are free to expend money on election efforts individually (and are explicitly disallowed from coordinating with candidate campaigns) as per Citizens United, but not to donate to candidates' campaigns.

Even if that were not the case, anyone saying that Benchmade Knife Company has donated to anti-gun candidates has either A) failed to present such evidence, B) misread the presented evidence showing that individuals at Benchmade have made campaign contributions, or C) mistakenly assumed that said individual donations went to anti-gun politicians, which is false in most cases.
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If an LLC is treated as a corporation, it is prohibited from making contributions to candidate committees, but it can establish an SSF. It may also give money to IEOPCs. If it is considered a partnership, it is subject to the contribution limits for partnerships.


Found here

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-ssf/ssf-registration/

Benchmade can give all it wants at the state level and can also give unlimited funding to super PACs at the federal level.
 
shinyedges said:
Factually incorrect:View attachment 1078557

What does that say?
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No part of that invalidates anything that I said. The site used indicates individual contributions which, as I mentioned, can be ear marked for specific things. In this case, it seems likely that it would have gone to land conservation. You may have strong suspicions or justifiable reason to question them, but at this point there's no hard evidence whatsoever that has been presented.
 
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Insipid Moniker said:
Yup, 100% a purity test. If they slowed down and thought about it they would realize that Benchmade is never going to make material contributions to any kind of anti-gun legislation. It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective or a cultural perspective. Political donations happen all the time to all different parties for a broad variety of reasons. Often, they're earmarked to go to a specific pet cause, and in an exceptionally blue state, it's unsurprising that people working for Benchmade would donate to the party in power. The actual hard evidence of them in any way being anti 2A is simply nonexistent. But please, keep doing it, it makes me grin.
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Insipid Moniker said:
No part of that invalidates anything that I said. The site used indicates individual contributions which, as I mentioned, can be ear marked for specific things. In this case, it seems likely that it would have gone to land conservation. You may have strong suspicions or justifiable reason to question them, but at this point there's no hard evidence whatsoever that has been presented.
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The information I just posted just showed otherwise.
 
shinyedges said:
They monetarily supported candidates who supported banning "assault rifles" and "bump stocks":

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ga...7dd11955-bd46-5059-b3c8-82cbae6d996c.amp.html

Much in the same way we vote for people who vote for the president, they supported people who are anti gun.
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tokerblue said:
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Ron_Wyden_Gun_Control.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Martin_Heinrich_Gun_Control.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Darlene_Hooley_Gun_Control.htm
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Okay, now show me that Benchmade money supported those.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Okay, now show me that Benchmade money supported those.
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The individuals that make up Benchmade are Benchmade. Without people it is literally incapable of making anything and doing nothing. The argument Benchmade as a corporation didn't do the donating is silly and changes nothing.
 
shinyedges said:
The individuals that make up Benchmade are Benchmade. Without people it is literally incapable of making anything and doing nothing. The argument Benchmade as a corporation didn't do the donating is silly and changes nothing.
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Even if they did, saying the money supported that without any doubt is fallacious. As I've pointed out, political donations can be, and often ARE ear marked for specific usage.
 
tokerblue said:
Only Benchmade knows why they backed those candidates. They can come out and say why their candidates voted for Anti-2A laws. The proof's not on us.
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No, no, you're making the claim that Benchmade is anti-2A. Burden of proof is on you, that's the way that works. Benchmade can't prove a negative.
 
shinyedges said:
Warmer weather is a motivation too ;)


Fellas, craytab is a friend of mine and I know for a fact he feels similarly to myself on the topic of protecting our families. Good dude.
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Agreed an all accounts. We might disagree on some things and we might disagree on several more in the future. But I am a staunch 2a defender. Carry a gun every day. Wouldnt live in a place I couldn't or was difficult to do so. I avoid going to places I can't. I also understand the climate benchmade exists in. Lived in the willamete valley for 28 years.

To the greater issue....Was it a bad look? Absolutely. But it isn't black and white. The outrage is misplaced. Look at your own states, your own laws, your own politicians. Look at what your own PD does with confiscated or turned in guns. Look at who your favorite companies contribute to. You are going to be disappointed if you are taking this hard line on benchmade.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Even if they did, saying the money supported that without any doubt is fallacious. As I've pointed out, political donations can be, and often ARE ear marked for specific usage.
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What does this even mean? Are you trying to say they donated to a politician because he supports a specific thing they like, and that they don't support his lobbying against our rights?

Wow that sure sounds like priorities! Yea, I don't believe you have any proof that was the case. What is a fact is that they gave money to a guy who is trying to undermine our rights.
 
craytab said:
Agreed an all accounts. We might disagree on some things and we might disagree on several more in the future. But I am a staunch 2a defender. Carry a gun every day. Wouldnt live in a place I couldn't or was difficult to do so. I avoid going to places I can't. I also understand the climate benchmade exists in. Lived in the willamete valley for 28 years.

To the greater issue....Was it a bad look? Absolutely. But it isn't black and white. The outrage is misplaced. Look at your own states, your own laws, your own politicians. Look at what your own PD does with confiscated or turned in guns. Look at who your favorite companies contribute to. You are going to be disappointed if you are taking this hard line on benchmade.
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I have and I am disappointed, I'm doing the only thing I can do which is moving to support people who hold my values and changing my buying habits when something is brought to my attention that goes against my morals.
 
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