Benchmade pricing seems to have changed

[rajincagin]

What Benchmade has done is barely legal,highly unethical and down right UN-AMERICAN imho ! :thumbdn:

Yeah! Maybe we can get the govt to run it, then things will be right as rain!

 

[skyhorse]

Yeah! Maybe we can get the govt to run it, then things will be right as rain!

Lol, well this business practice IS used by Governments, the Communist ones.
[video=youtube;_4e8iAofnrw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4e8iAofnrw[/video]

 

[rajincagin]

Lol, well this business practice IS used by Governments, the Communist ones.

Wrong, telling a business what they can or cannot charge, which seems to be what is going on here, is fascist. Communism is when govt strait out owns the business. Capitalism is when a business decides what's best for them and the market decides if they succeed or fail. BM is not forcing anyone to buy their product, *cough*obamacare*cough* and they're no forcing any dealers to sell them. How many dealers have said they're gonna drop the BM line?

I'm not liking this anymore than anyone else, however I respect BM enough to let them run their business the way THEY want to. Constructive criticism and voicing ones concerns is one thing, but bashing them is really poor form. IMO

 

[AfghanWarrior]

Buck Vantage Force Pro (S30V) and Spyderco Native (S30V) both made in USA and both can be found on sale from $55+:thumbup:

I think Benchmade will lose the lower end S30V market.

 

[rajincagin]

Buck Vantage Force Pro (S30V) and Spyderco Native (S30V) both made in USA and both can be found on sale from $55+:thumbup:

I think Benchmade will lose the lower end S30V market.

And that's something I wouldn't mind seeing, give us more M4 and S90V:thumbup:

 

[skyhorse]

Wrong, telling a business what they can or cannot charge, which seems to be what is going on here, is fascist. Communism is when govt strait out owns the business. Capitalism is when a business decides what's best for them and the market decides if they succeed or fail. BM is not forcing anyone to buy their product, *cough*obamacare*cough* and they're no forcing any dealers to sell them. How many dealers have said they're gonna drop the BM line?

I'm not liking this anymore than anyone else, however I respect BM enough to let them run their business the way THEY want to. Constructive criticism and voicing ones concerns is one thing, but bashing them is really poor form. IMO

Think what you want,I'm just telling it the way is. That's more than Benchmade has done, btw.

 

[dfsutton]

Um, no. It's also in poor taste to come to a manufactures forum and talk about how other brands are better.

It is also poor taste for a Company to lie to its Long-term customers. Don't pee on my foot and tell me it's raining.

 

[rajincagin]

It is also poor taste for a Company to lie to its Long-term customers. Don't pee in my foot and tell me it's raining.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[pbcg]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree, two wrong's don't make a right and bad behavior shouldn't be used to justify bad behavior.

Benchmades statement was in terrible form indeed, In fact I found it down right insulting and said as much. But please don't conflate two separate issues and use that as a justification to either bash BM products or talk about how other brands are "better" or compare. That's fine in the general forum but not manufactures sub forums. Regardless of the manufacture.

This is still the Benchmade sub forum and established etiquette and decorum should still be maintained. It's poor form and inappropriate to do that and I respectfully ask that it stop.

Come on folks. Can't we express our dissatisfaction and and even anger at what's going on with Benchmade (As I certainly have) without talking about how other brands are better or offer better value or how specific models from other brands compare? Anyway you cut it, it's rude and inappropriate. Especially from members who obviously aren't even fans in the first place and are making their first post here to do so.

Thank you for your support.

 

[fzla226]

Benchmade must not want my money anymore. Reminds me of bestbuy sort of. The last I went into there I got carded for my debit card, like I'm some kind of a thief. That was 5 years ago, haven't done any business with that company since.

 

[Yo Mama]

Just wondering, are those of you that are so invested in BM raising prices just as invested with inflated costs in health care, gas, ammo, milk, electricity, .....? Prices go up, operating costs go up, look at the requirements put on businesses now a days.

I'm shocked at some arguments stating prices that are well over or under actual instock knives. Trying to make an argument by saying a Grip is the same price as a Para 2 is insane. Just one example, but the first I found in this thread that's full of them. Literally in 5 years since I've had my Grip, it's gone up 20 bucks. That's nothing folks vs. inflated pricing on other products and services.

I'm also disappointed with BM, not in their pricing, but solely on their response here on the forum. They have had no problem interacting with good comments and posts, but this thread that's 22 pages has one interaction with the company rep. Another well frequented subforum recently closed, and my vote is for this one to close as well if this is the type of interaction we will have in the future. BM has their own regulated forum outside of BF, maybe that's the best venue to reach them in the future.

Lastly, the knife choices we have now are so vast, not what it was even a few years back. BM provides an amazing product, one that needs to be weighed against other options. No one should limit themselves to one brand, or you miss out on some really great blades. But threatening a boycott because they raised pricing does nothing but cut your nose to spite your face. Buy what works with your budget and needs. If there are other options, take them, but yelling at BM for not doing what you want them to is not fair.

 

[pbcg]

Yo mama,

I agree with a lot of what you said except the part about closing this sub forum. I'll tell you why. I remember when BM didn't have a forum here so all thing's BM related were relegated to the General forum and from what I recall you would see a lot of what's happening in this thread.

People with agenda's, fans of other brands, those with a gripe against BM or just wanted to stir the pot would chime in and make it difficult to have a decent discussion with all the " Why buy that BM when XXX is so much better" posts.

I've been a fan of BM products for many years and some of the regulars here have been serious collectors since the beginning with many more years of interest, experience and knowledge on BM products and I like that we have a place to come to talk about our shared interests.

I do agree though. The Participation of the BM mod / rep here leaves a lot to be desired. Not only with this issue but many times in the past I have seen legitimate questions asked and gone unanswered. It's very disappointing to say the least but I'd still like a place to go where I can talk about a brand I have invested so much in over so many years and do so with like mind people and fans, both new and old alike.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

I wonder if one of the other mods or super mod's could talk to the company rep here and request more participation as unfortunately as you rightly pointed out our requests don't seem to be, being heard.

 

[rajincagin]

Benchmade must not want my money anymore. Reminds me of bestbuy sort of. The last I went into there I got carded for my debit card, like I'm some kind of a thief. That was 5 years ago, haven't done any business with that company since.

Seriously? You got offended because they protected you from fraud? Let me guess, you're mad at BM too...

 

[rajincagin]

People with agenda's, fans of other brands, those with a gripe against BM or just wanted to stir the pot would chime in and make it difficult to have a decent discussion with all the " Why buy that BM when XXX is so much better" posts.

Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

I knew there was something funny afoot with all the talk about spidies, zt's and commies...:thumbdn:

 

[JNewell]

Just wondering, are those of you that are so invested in BM raising prices just as invested with inflated costs in health care, gas, ammo, milk, electricity, .....? Prices go up, operating costs go up, look at the requirements put on businesses now a days.

Benchmade didn't raise their MSRP and didn't raise their dealer prices. They prohibited dealers from offering us a discount that comes out of the dealer's pocket. :thumbdn:

 

[dfsutton]

Come on folks. Can't we express our dissatisfaction and and even anger at what's going on with Benchmade (As I certainly have) without talking about how other brands are better or offer better value or how specific models from other brands compare? Anyway you cut it, it's rude and inappropriate. Especially from members who obviously aren't even fans in the first place and are making their first post here to do so.

First of all, this entire issue relates to value. Benchmade's knife were a better value at a lower price to me. I do not have unlimited means and therefore I want to get the best product I can for the money I spend. Suddenly other knives are better value to me because their prices and quality are still the same, so I can understand people comparing Benchmade to the other brands now. Trying to see how Benchmade's newly priced knives compare now.

Secondly, you speak of respect. From what I've seen, there hasn't been a lot of respect for the consumers or this sub-forum coming from Benchmade. It took them a week to release a canned PR statement that basically was either semantics or an outright lie, depending on how you look at it. Nothing else has been said. So who exactly is disrespecting who, here?

 

[Sulaco]

Benchmade didn't raise their MSRP and didn't raise their dealer prices. They prohibited dealers from offering us a discount that comes out of the dealer's pocket. :thumbdn:

This is correct. I don't mind that they set their prices. I don't even mind that they raise their prices. But the way they did the whole MAP thing to begin with, and then forcing the dealers who used the discount to drop it right before the holidays, and then the sad response here from Benchmade, it's just all a mess.

And don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Benchmade fan. But I'm not above taking them to task for a job poorly done.

 

[rajincagin]

They prohibited dealers from offering us a discount that comes out of the dealer's pocket. :thumbdn:

Actually what they're doing is making sure the big retailers don't undercut the smaller vendors. BM is more concerned with keeping their authorized retailers who've been loyal for many years happy than selling a few more knives, some would call that "noble"

 

[macknife12]

Actually what they're doing is making sure the big retailers don't undercut the smaller vendors. BM is more concerned with keeping their authorized retailers who've been loyal for many years happy than selling a few more knives, some would call that "noble"

Do smaller retailers pay more based on volume? I'm thinking maybe. I work for a fairly large company, so if our manufacturers decided to be noble, I'm supposing me and thousands of others would be out of work,and that would include a fair chunk of manufacturers.
It's the side of capitalism, that unfortunately effects the small guys, but keeps the big guys rolling.
If the big retailers don't like it, they will probably speak volumes, and this may change.
Cheers

 

[JNewell]

Actually what they're doing is making sure the big retailers don't undercut the smaller vendors. BM is more concerned with keeping their authorized retailers who've been loyal for many years happy than selling a few more knives, some would call that "noble"

It's the same thing, and lots of the online dealers have been dealers for many years, too.