Benchmade pricing seems to have changed

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The main problem here is simply the lack of anything concrete from Benchmade. Period. Silence fosters nervous and out of hand comments on any forum, this one included. Until I have the facts I'm going to sit tight. But with 22 pages now and friends that have sent emails unreturned, and phone calls made that express their worries not addressed - only makes us irritable. Benchmade has a lot to amend for at this moment even if what they do as a business decision is healthy for their dealer base. Any more of this is, frankly, BS.
 
First of all, this entire issue relates to value. Benchmade's knife were a better value at a lower price to me. I do not have unlimited means and therefore I want to get the best product I can for the money I spend. Suddenly other knives are better value to me because their prices and quality are still the same, so I can understand people comparing Benchmade to the other brands now. Trying to see how Benchmade's newly priced knives compare now.

Secondly, you speak of respect. From what I've seen, there hasn't been a lot of respect for the consumers or this sub-forum coming from Benchmade. It took them a week to release a canned PR statement that basically was either semantics or an outright lie, depending on how you look at it. Nothing else has been said. So who exactly is disrespecting who, here?

Very well said. It is about 2 issues:

  1. Benchmade using what is called "Agency Pricing" (setting mandatory MAP) to advance whatever their agenda might be.
  2. Benchmade's lack of respect for their customers here and elsewhere.

In #1, it all boils down to value. An increase in price to the customer (those of us who use the discounts) decreases value by raising cost without raising quality. I haven't, and won't, mention specific competitors or their products but I think it is absolutely fair game to discuss BM's value and BM's products.

#2 isn't the only issue here at all, but it is a HUGE issue. It tells us exactly what Benchmade thinks of us.

BM has every right to run their company as they see fit and they even have the right to insult us, but in return we have the right (as long as the Mods allow us to do such in this private forum) to respond to those issues. So, IMHO, it is very bad form on the part of this MFG to interface with their customers as they have done to date. It is also bad form and rude to bring up specific competitors or specific products from those competitors. But is certainly NOT bad form to discuss the perceived reduction in value to BM's own products.

I said it earlier and I'll say it again. I'm not angry, just disappointed that I have invested much time and $$$ into this company only to be treated this way and insulted as they have done. As far as value, well, I have more choices in this world to spend my money than I have money to spend. And that isn't just knives. There is lots of stuff in this big ole world to buy and lots of places to invest. The implementation of Agency Pricing is just another (very big) consideration as to how I manage those few dollars that I have. I'm attracted to value. From my perspective, BM just kicked value in the butt with a 30% (give or take) increase in price without anything additional to warrant that increase. That is a value plummet, IMHO. I just can't see me spending money on these products again, but I'll never say never. Things happen. But even if not another penny of MY money goes into their products, it will impact them not at all.

This thread has been very, very eye opening from several perspectives. Not the least of which is a better understanding of who I am really dealing with when I buy a BM product.

Finally - this is just my opinion and how I feel. To each his/her own. I seriously doubt that anything we say will cause BM to reconsider this direction. They have shown that they couldn't care less about their customers when it comes to product and pricing and communication . As I also inferred in an earlier post, it will be very interesting to see if this incident turns out to be a cornerstone to a change in this company's financial health - pro or con. Will enough customers react to pricing as I will or is this not enough of an issue to the bulk of their customers to impact the bottom line? They think that losing a few people like me is not a big enough issue to warrant a change in their agenda (whatever that might be) and they may be right. Only time will tell. They will do what they think they need to do and so will I. In the long run, it will have no real impact on me (money will just go elsewhere) either although it is disappointing today.

Sorry. Didn't plan to be so verbose. ;)

JMO.
 
First of all, this entire issue relates to value. Benchmade's knife were a better value at a lower price to me. I do not have unlimited means and therefore I want to get the best product I can for the money I spend. Suddenly other knives are better value to me because their prices and quality are still the same, so I can understand people comparing Benchmade to the other brands now. Trying to see how Benchmade's newly priced knives compare now.


Secondly, you speak of respect. From what I've seen, there hasn't been a lot of respect for the consumers or this sub-forum coming from Benchmade. It took them a week to release a canned PR statement that basically was either semantics or an outright lie, depending on how you look at it. Nothing else has been said. So who exactly is disrespecting who, here?

I just want to clarify one thing. I said nothing about it being poor form to say if one considers BM to be a better value now or not, or even a good value period. Or expressing that they feel there are other better options available

My only point, to make it even clearer was to address that being specific, comparing other brands by name in a manufactures sub forum is inappropriate.

Posts along the lines of a given Spyderco is a better value or knife or BM sucks buy ZT type posts are out of line.

That is what I was addressing and the thrust of my post.
 
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Seriously? You got offended because they protected you from fraud? Let me guess, you're mad at BM too...:rolleyes:
How is carding me for my own debit card protecting me from fraud? No other stores I've been to do that. The whole point is, I wasn't satisfied with that company, and I won't do business with them again.
 
Wrong, telling a business what they can or cannot charge, which seems to be what is going on here, is fascist. Communism is when govt strait out owns the business. Capitalism is when a business decides what's best for them and the market decides if they succeed or fail. BM is not forcing anyone to buy their product, *cough*obamacare*cough* and they're no forcing any dealers to sell them. How many dealers have said they're gonna drop the BM line?

I'm not liking this anymore than anyone else, however I respect BM enough to let them run their business the way THEY want to. Constructive criticism and voicing ones concerns is one thing, but bashing them is really poor form. IMO

Agreed, Benchmade at least in my opinion has the right to set minimum retail pricing if they so wish. That's their prerogative. I can see good reasons for them to want to do it, and if it means that my local gun shop is only a few bucks more expensive than the lowest online price, it may motivate me to buy there. (I'm assuming this is their reasoning.) However, as has been stated by darn near everyone, it might mean also that I choose not to purchase a Benchmade knife for economic reasons; even though I think they make good products, I may either think something else is a better deal or just choose not to make a non-essential purchase (as I do already have several knives that I can carry) because of the price level.
 
I just want to clarify one thing. I said nothing about it being poor form to say if one considers BM to be a better value now or not, or even a good value period. Or expressing that they feel there are other better options available

My only point, to make it even clearer was to address that being specific, comparing other brands by name in a manufactures sub forum is inappropriate.

Posts along the lines of a given Spyderco is a better value or knife or BM sucks buy ZT type posts are out of line.

That is what I was addressing and the thrust of my post.
Considering this thread is about them raising the prices we're paying. The comparisons are fair game. Especially when the value difference reversed itself over the period of a couple of weeks.
 
I just want to clarify one thing. I said nothing about it being poor form to say if one considers BM to be a better value now or not, or even a good value period. Or expressing that they feel there are other better options available

My only point, to make it even clearer was to address that being specific, comparing other brands by name in a manufactures sub forum is inappropriate.

Posts along the lines of a given Spyderco is a better value or knife or BM sucks buy ZT type posts are out of line.

That is what I was addressing and the thrust of my post.

You're splitting hairs at this point. It's ok to discuss the new lesser value of Benchmade knives but not compare it to other knives? No offense, but that doesn't even make sense. Consumers compare value by comparison shopping. "I can get product A for X dollars and product B for Y dollars. Which one gives more for my money? " That is a concrete, quantitative comparison. Without a direct comparison, the idea of value is theoretical at best.
 
Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

I knew there was something funny afoot with all the talk about spidies, zt's and commies...:thumbdn:

Meh, doesnt really bother me, but then again I'm not as sensitive as some. I'm a big Benchmade fan and I think most posting here are as well. Its interesting to hear peoples input and comparisons as with the discounts being abolished the value of Benchmade's have changed no matter how you slice it.
 
All I can say is that this new pricing deal or lack thereof sucks! I was about to order 3 more BM models that I have been wanting but the prices are not in my favor. This change has prompted me to look into other companies offerings but I have to tell you the blades I really want are Benchmade models and this just ticks me off even more because I want what I want but I do not want the added cost. I have to agree with others on BM not reconsidering their stance on this price locking gimmick, there are plenty of other companies doing the same thing.

Well off I go to research other blade offerings from other companies.
 
You're splitting hairs at this point. It's ok to discuss the new lesser value of Benchmade knives but not compare it to other knives? No offense, but that doesn't even make sense. Consumers compare value by comparison shopping. "I can get product A for X dollars and product B for Y dollars. Which one gives more for my money? " That is a concrete, quantitative comparison. Without a direct comparison, the idea of value is theoretical at best.

It's been long held tradition and etiquette here on BFC that the company's sub forum is not the place to bash that brand or say what brands you think are better.

That type of discussion is appropriate in the General forum not the manufactures sub forum.

If you don't know that, or don't get it. What else can I say.

And no offence taken, I hope you feel likewise.
 
It's been long held tradition and etiquette here on BFC that the company's sub forum is not the place to bash that brand or say what brands you think are better.

That type of discussion is appropriate in the General forum not the manufactures sub forum.

If you don't know that, or don't get it. What else can I say.

And no offence taken, I hope you feel likewise.
Who, what, when. where, and why?
I don't get it and have been here a few years....I do get the bashing part, but that's all I can wrap my head around.I can't recall if I have ever seen a sticky in the sub-forum mentioning rules,etiquette or that comparisons are not allowed.I believe everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion.Yes the pricing sucks and that means that my funds will quite possibly go toward brands like Spyderco, ZT, and other brands that give me bang for the buck....What else can I say?I am sorry and sad?
 
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It's been long held tradition and etiquette here on BFC that the company's sub forum is not the place to bash that brand or say what brands you think are better.

That type of discussion is appropriate in the General forum not the manufactures sub forum.

If you don't know that, or don't get it. What else can I say.

And no offence taken, I hope you feel likewise.

Absolutely correct.

Very well said. It is about 2 issues:

  1. Benchmade using what is called "Agency Pricing" (setting mandatory MAP) to advance whatever their agenda might be.
  2. Benchmade's lack of respect for their customers here and elsewhere.

In #1, it all boils down to value. An increase in price to the customer (those of us who use the discounts) decreases value by raising cost without raising quality. I haven't, and won't, mention specific competitors or their products but I think it is absolutely fair game to discuss BM's value and BM's products.

#2 isn't the only issue here at all, but it is a HUGE issue. It tells us exactly what Benchmade thinks of us.


JMO.

Quote edited for brevity, very well written.
 
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So if I a to understand this correctly, people aren't so much upset by the price increase as they are about being dissed by BM on this thread. Fair enough and I can totally see justification for that. I'm still not convinced that coming to BM subforum and yapping about how other brands are better is in any way acceptable etiquette. Would you go to Catholic Church and talk about how much better the Lutherans are? Maybe not the best analogy... but I think you get my point
 
So if I a to understand this correctly, people aren't so much upset by the price increase as they are about being dissed by BM on this thread. Fair enough and I can totally see justification for that. I'm still not convinced that coming to BM subforum and yapping about how other brands are better is in any way acceptable etiquette. Would you go to Catholic Church and talk about how much better the Lutherans are? Maybe not the best analogy... but I think you get my point

I would have said it's both issues - price/elimination of discounts and the total non-response from BM - but YMMV and I'm not sure it matters a lot anyway? :)
 
So if I a to understand this correctly, people aren't so much upset by the price increase as they are about being dissed by BM on this thread. Fair enough and I can totally see justification for that. I'm still not convinced that coming to BM subforum and yapping about how other brands are better is in any way acceptable etiquette. Would you go to Catholic Church and talk about how much better the Lutherans are? Maybe not the best analogy... but I think you get my point
I actually do like my Benchmade knives however I'm not likely to be bowing down on the Benchmade ALTER any time soon. Imho the statement they made concerning this thread (finally) after 2 weeks was bravo sierra. ( Our price levels HAVE NOT changed. ) Lol,really that's it?
 
Actually what they're doing is making sure the big retailers don't undercut the smaller vendors. BM is more concerned with keeping their authorized retailers who've been loyal for many years happy than selling a few more knives, some would call that "noble"

Only on the surface. Look a little farther down the road, if Benchmade actually determined the practice hurt their profitibility, do you think they'd have pay cuts or layoffs at the factory to continue to try to save the small vendors? Yeah, nobility would fly out the window.

Honestly, I would bet that Benchmade is doing this because some stores are complaining, and I would also bet that the complainers are not the small vendors, but rather a few very large vendors that have internet sales and the power to buy in higher volume (and pull with Benchmade) but they also have higher overhead and profit margins.

Regardless, it's still futile. The practice been common in the electronics industry for years but it didn't save Circuit City or Ultimate Electronics or hundreds of other smaller electronics stores/chains, both brick-and-mortar and online. Times are changing.
 
I know I personally picked up a few Benchmades with the discount prior to one website taking down the coupon-code, but I probably won't buy anymore at MAP prices based on what prices I've seen so far.
 
Yeah, I pulled the trigger on a 710 (if it ever comes off backorder) to take advantage of the discount before it goes away. But that will be my last Benchmade purchase for quite a while.

There's not much that hasn't already been said on this thread. Yeah, BM has pissed a lot of people off. Yes, they have every right to do as they please. And yes, their lack of response suggests they don't give a crap. So to those who are mad about it I would suggest dropping your pants, giving them a vertical smile, and moving on. Those who want to continue to do business with them feel free. That's the beauty of the free market.

One thing is certain... this will eventually sort itself out.
 
I can't think of any respectable debates that don't regard subjective comparisons.
Is this really bad etiquette? I personally don't think it is, as long as it's fair and respectable.
Surely this must be the place for the detailed, in depth conversations on the very brand we all admire?
Cheers
 
I can't think of any respectable debates that don't regard subjective comparisons.
Is this really bad etiquette? I personally don't think it is, as long as it's fair and respectable.
Surely this must be the place for the detailed, in depth conversations on the very brand we all admire?
Cheers

Ok so when some one says "the spyderco para crumb is a better knife than the grip", that's just plain belittling to the subforum and opens the door for any and all kind of comparisons
 
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