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Sorry,I actually meant Map, too much imho ! Just got into BM knives this year and I like the two I bought but at full map these will be the last.
Too many other options at that price point.
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Too many other options at that price point.
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Yup and those, both the MAP and MSRP have always seemed hightly inflated as the market price (what most actually bought it for) was always 25-30% lower than MAP.
What they appear to be doing now is actually RPM or Resale Price Maintenance. MAP only covered what price you were allowed to advertise at publicly, not the final price at the point of sale, which by law could still be determimed by the Retailer. When I spoke with Knifecenter they made it sound as if they could not give any discounts on MAP or Benchmade would no longer allow them to be a dealer.
With RPM the manufacturer actually dictates what the lowest final price the retailer can sell the product for, and if the retailer refuses to comply the manufacturer may stop doing business with them. This is very close to price fixing by current antitrust laws, but the Supreme Court actually ruled recently on a similar case that this practice was not illegal.
So it seems for now that they are entitled to force whatever price they want on the market. But as L2bravo pointed out the product is only worth what the market will bear, so we will see how this pricing works for Benchmade.
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Let me ask this question. I would really like to hear some opinions on this one please. Several posts have said, "I won't pay this, there is much better to be had for the price". What brands are you guys talking about? Who offers so much more, for so much less? I'm not being an A-hole, I'm really sincerely curious.
For me, and just for me, here is my take. I use a knife a lot. I am a fireman, and also own a business. I am constantly using a knife, and sometimes it's what would be considered "hard use". To me, the only thing I can do to mess up a BM, is to lose it. They have the some of the best heat treat in the business, they use good steels, they are American made, they have Lifesharp (which I don't need), a warranty that is one of the best, and customer service, that has been nothing short of badass anytime I have ever called them. So I ask, What's not to like? Where is the next value, that is so much better?
For me, and just for me, here is my take. I use a knife a lot. I am a fireman, and also own a business. I am constantly using a knife, and sometimes it's what would be considered "hard use". To me, the only thing I can do to mess up a BM, is to lose it. They have the some of the best heat treat in the business, they use good steels, they are American made, they have Lifesharp (which I don't need), a warranty that is one of the best, and customer service, that has been nothing short of badass anytime I have ever called them. So I ask, What's not to like? Where is the next value, that is so much better?
What's better for the price? Well, the Spyderco Endura and Delica are consistently recommended to people as a great EDC knife, and they're already less expensive than a Griptilian. I bought a Grip myself but with a wider price difference I might look at Spyderco again. Add to that that my Grip came dull (OK, that's easily fixed) and needed a pivot adjustment out of the box...
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A ZT 0801 is American made, high end material and kvt for what a BM 940 will be priced at
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Good point.
While BM 940 is now being sold at MAP or 85% of MSRP, ZT also was selling for MAP or 80% of MSRP. However, ZT is seeing an erosion in its street pricing. Now, there are many more online sources who sell at 65%-70% of MSRP (you have to contact them since it's not advertised). Of course, not all of their products specially limited editions. Perhaps we'll see a clampdown by ZT as well!
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Boy am I uncomfortable with the buzz on what looks like a business decision by Benchmade to change their pricing structure. I would really like to have someone from the company stop by and explain their reasoning in simple terms. When many of us are holding off on purchases, and catalogs advertising items to buy across the country are spreading their offerings to save money, why would they decide to do this now?
As is, I didn't buy anything this year due to their lack of serious (maybe new and inventive?) offerings, fact is If I never bought another at 40+ models who needs another? Now I haven't locked the barn door, but do have the key in my pocket. This is interesting to read gents...I don't like it very much.
I agree with this completely. Yes the Spydie Endura/Delica/Stretch are good knives. However, for me a least, a Grip is a cut above, and worth the extra 25 or so bucks.
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For me, Spyderco. Recently I started buying up Benchmade knives again because I just really had "a hankering" for some American made high quality knives. I love Spyderco but a lot of the knives that I prefer are made in Taiwan. If I'm going to pay around $150 give or take for a knife I would like to have it be American made. Just my preference. Not saying that the quality is better because Spyderco's Taiwan models would give most customs a run for their money. No joke. However, with the price hike that BM is creating right now, I will gladly start paying $150 for a Taichung Taiwan made knife because the quality and fit and finish are second to none. <---- I really mean this too.
There is a point in which the customer has to decide what is "too much" to pay in general and/or "too much" to pay for American Made. For me, that number is about $150.
I'm sure there are plenty of folks who will still pay this elevated price but it will not be me. I have had experience with both BM and Spyderco warranty and Spyderco is just as good, if not better than BM.
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I realized the question was asked so I can't hammer too hard but I have to express what I consider to be very poor form to have people coming into a companies sub forum and start listing knives form other manufactures they think are better or offer better value.
Out of respect I wouldn't go into the Spyderco sub forum and talk about the BM knives that I think are "better" offerings or value for the price or threads in General about ZT and say what model BM's I think offer better strength or hard use for less then half the price of some of these ZT knives.
Just something that is starting to bother be in terms of the direction this thread is going.
This is still the BM sub forum and talking about how you think or feel a given Spyderco or any brand is better then BM is a topic for the general forum. Not the companies sub forum.
As to the topic of thread, I'd leally like to hear from the BM rep about that. I don't order from the places listed that have raised their prices and checked and where I do buy from the prices have remained the same so before we / I go off half cocked I would really appreciate some feedback for the BM mod on this.
Out of respect I wouldn't go into the Spyderco sub forum and talk about the BM knives that I think are "better" offerings or value for the price or threads in General about ZT and say what model BM's I think offer better strength or hard use for less then half the price of some of these ZT knives.
Just something that is starting to bother be in terms of the direction this thread is going.
This is still the BM sub forum and talking about how you think or feel a given Spyderco or any brand is better then BM is a topic for the general forum. Not the companies sub forum.
As to the topic of thread, I'd leally like to hear from the BM rep about that. I don't order from the places listed that have raised their prices and checked and where I do buy from the prices have remained the same so before we / I go off half cocked I would really appreciate some feedback for the BM mod on this.
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Maybe it should be moved to General?
I agree. I don't think anything is going to redirect the tone of this thread away from negativity, so it should not be in the forum for benchmade.
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If you want to have a this model vs that model or which is better discussion then by all means move this thread to general or start one there but I think the OP raised a legitimate question and concern specific to BM and I'd like to hear from the BM mod concerning it so I'd prefer it remain here for that reason.
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I have not noticed that yet on some retailers, but have on a few others. BM was right in a good price range and I feel like the discounts off MSRP will come back. MSRP should only be directly from maker or some retail stores. Companies do need to regulate prices to a certain extent, but most are fairly similar to each other plus BM is still making their profit selling to retailers wholesale. I like BM still, but lately have lost interest in some of their knives due to my taste changing to even higher end. The good prices shall return if they have left.
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