Benchmade steals the spyderhole

I still don't understand why this is ok for benchmade to do but not cold steel:grumpy: . And yes, Cold Steel is liscenced for all that they do.
 
There is obviously quite a bit of debate whether BM should have used the round hole or not.
My question is, why did they choose the round hole for this particular model instead of the oval to avoid any misunderstandings amongst BM's customers.
On the flip side, Benchmade has been using round holes for a while. Just look at the Skirmish.
 
Oval holes suck. Bought a minigrip with the hole recently and it's not nearly as useful as the round one.

This isn't that big of a deal.
 
holy shit, Ford invented the automobile and the world stoled his idea.
what a shame it is to have choice.
besides, didn't spyderco steal the knife idea from BENCHMADE!
 
Artfully Martial said:
Oval holes suck. Bought a minigrip with the hole recently and it's not nearly as useful as the round one.

This isn't that big of a deal.
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Taking another's trademark is stealing, no different from any other kind of stealing. It's not a big deal unless you have any shred of integrity or sense of ethics.

A reminder that we still don't know the real story about licensing or permission yet. It could be that Spyderco gave permission to BM to use the round hole (seems unlikely but possible); it could be Benchmade doesn't feel the trademark is valid and plans to use this model to challenge it. As I stated elsewhere, I don't think it's time to break out the torches and pitchforks yet. But just on general principle, I think stealing another's property is wrong.
 
There's been a lot of talk about legal issues, but evidently Benchmade thinks there is no legal issue, either because they think Spyderco's trademark won't hold up in court or because they think Spyderco can't afford to pay the lawyers to enforce their trademark.

Other questions occur to me. How will knife buyers feel about buying a Benchmade that looks so much like a Spyderco? Will people who would rather be reduced to using their fingernails and teeth than buy a Fury knock-off feel this is different? Will Spyderco come out with an oval hole knife and advertise it as superior to a round hole?
 
Somebody said up front during this that we can't lynch anybody till we know that no permission was granted.

Do we know that yet?

If we do, get a rope.
If we don't, lets go do something else.
 
knarfeng said:
Somebody said up front during this that we can't lynch anybody till we know that no permission was granted.

Do we know that yet?

If we do, get a rope.
If we don't, lets go do something else.
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Even so, given the *questionable* legality of trademarking a functional innovation, this may be a prelude to a challenge to that trademark. Not lynchworthy in my book, let the courts sort it out. It would qualify as picking a fight, however.
 
No, I still don't feel like it's that big of a deal, sorry. I'll go ahead and buy one of these. It's not like Spyderco is going to lose any money from me for it. I'll keep buying them too. No ethical dilemna for me.

For the record, on first glance (might change my opinion when I get my real one), I think this is one of the best knives Benchmade has come out with since the Morpho.
 
I do not see any problems with this. Spyderco used the Emerson Wave feature on their Endura. I think this is going to be a great knife


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Hey we can all agree that we like knives right becasue if you don't like knives your in the wrong place...and we can also agree that we ALL don't like the same knives right? Well then whats the point of saying anythign negative about any knife or knife company? There will always be people who agree with you, and people who don't, so whats the point of this thread, to see how many agree? I say get the facts straight 1st instead of starting a heated thread about rumors...Does anyone know for a fact that benchmade used the "round hole" without spyderco's permission (this is so stupid by the way) or that can anyone comfirm 100% that Benchmade has permission to do so? Until then its like having a popularity contest, the spyderco fans will say that benchmade stole it and the benchmade fans will say their wrong, and the neutral people will say who cares...lol...

Sorry for that rant, it's just that this argument seems redundant?
 
Class operations give credit where credit is due. For example, my new D and E Waves are clearly marked with the Emerson name and Patent #. A class act all the way. I couldn't care less about the legalities involved, it's not my business. But class will show, and Sal is the classiest. I've sold most of my BMs and don't intend to replace them.
 
Spyderco got permission from Emerson to use the wave. They did not just start using it. The ignorance in this thread is just astounding.:thumbdn:

Wether you agree with it or not if a trademark is used with out permission it is theft, period!
 
Joe Talmadge said:
Taking another's trademark is stealing, no different from any other kind of stealing.
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I differ with you on this. There is such a thing as an overreaching or overly broad trademark. Witness Harley Davidson's attempt to trademark the sound of their motorcycle. I've thought that the Spyderhole, as a trademark, could fall into this category.

Joe Talmadge said:
It's not a big deal unless you have any shred of integrity or sense of ethics.
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This remark has come up before when discussing intellectual property, and sounds awfully sanctimonious, as if ther can be no difference of opinion, and a thinly veiled personal attack on those whose opinion differs with yours. If that's the case, I say it's absolute bullshit.

Joe Talmadge said:
A reminder that we still don't know the real story about licensing or permission yet. It could be that Spyderco gave permission to BM to use the round hole (seems unlikely but possible); it could be Benchmade doesn't feel the trademark is valid and plans to use this model to challenge it. As I stated elsewhere, I don't think it's time to break out the torches and pitchforks yet.
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I agree. I jokingly pointed out earlier the resemblance of the Byrd "comet hole" with the seemingly prior hole design used by Schrade/Imperial. Does that make Spyderco thieves, presuming they actulally designed the Byrd knives? According to some of Spyderco's IP evangelists, it must, even if it's not technically a violation of law, it would be a "violation of ethics".
 
Well if you and Benchmade think it is an overly broad trademark you need to take that up with Spyderco and court. If you don't agree with something you don't just steal it! So regardless if you think the trademark is overly broad or not it is still Spydercos property and unauthorized use is stealing no matter how you look at it. Also of importance Harley Davidson was never granted the trademark on the sound of the engine, they actually withdrew the application, while Spyderco has been granted the trademark for years now.
 
severedthumbs said:
The ignorance in this thread is just astounding.:thumbdn:
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Couldn't agree more. Not to mention that Spyderco made sure that the Emerson wave is acknowledge as such wherever they advertise those models.

Ford invented the automobile.....wow...:rolleyes:

Dead's Head said:
On the flip side, Benchmade has been using round holes for a while. Just look at the Skirmish.
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Yup, and if you read back, Spyderco was less than happy, if not to say extremely annoyed at that. That hole was most definitely used without permission.

But I hold out before I form an opinion in this case, till we get final word about what is going.
 
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