BENDS (Troy New York)

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Or slightly less tape was used to seal it, but I agree about the weight you shipped back matches his weight of the package to you.

Very little tape was needed to seal the box. Cal had every bit of it already sealed shut with good USPS tape. All seems, almost the entire box. The whole thing was done very well actually. The bushcratfer had it's blade cover, was wrapped and in it's box. That box was put into one of the more square medium flat rate boxes. Then a cardboard tube and small flate rate box pressed inside next to it. The Knap inside the sheath at that was wrapped. Other box pieces and wrap holding everything in. Actually probably the best package I've gotten yet, if I'm being honest. I will give him that.

But, I get your point. ;)
 
So to summarize this whole thing (correct me if I am wrong), the OP does not remember if he shipped 2 or 3 knives? Bends was relocating to a new home during this time and was accused of being a thief?
 
I'd like to apologize to Bends for being a jackass and wrongfully accusing him of being bad and a crooked man. I was bad and I appreciate his ability to be good even in a situation where he was wrongfully accused. I learned a lot from him and magnumb who I also apologize to. They both are insightful and descent men. I will remember this experience and if it ever seems I have forgotten. I wouldn't mind a swift kick in the butt. It would feel better than being a shamed of myself . That I am sure. Sorry to the forum as well. I am glad this turned out the way it has. Its been a bad but good experience.

IMHO Bends is GOOD!

James
 
So to summarize this whole thing (correct me if I am wrong), the OP does not remember if he shipped 2 or 3 knives? Bends was relocating to a new home during this time and was accused of being a thief?

Quick summary would be: I say OP sent 2 knives. OP says he sent 3 knives and I'm trying to steal one. I shipped the same package back and we compared weights. And the package weights are the same, give or take 0.1oz.
 
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Got the box back today. Without the bone trapper, but with the paper it was originally wrapped with and its rubber band in the bottom of the box along with some extra cardboard to make up the difference in weight.
Someone sure went to a lot of work to get a free knife.
Thanks
Calemerson
 
Cal,

Let me see if I understand this new accusation correctly.

I contacted you about a knife you had for trade, that I wanted. I made a deal with you and you sent me three knives. I did this so I could keep one of the knives, but not the knife I wanted. I would keep a knife I have no interest in owning and would have used for trading. Except I wouldn't be able to trade it, because it was stolen. To accomplish this, I replaced the knife with packing material that weighed exactly the same as the knife. How did I know how much packing material to use, you ask? Well.. I haven't figured this part out yet, but let's move on. I then shipped the package back to you. This whole scheme was devised to obtain a knife from you that I didn't even know you had until you offered it, and only wanted it then to use for future trades. The sacrifice would be not getting the knife I actually wanted and no longer being able to trade on the forums.

This is all starting to sound like a conspiracy theory. Next you'll accuse me of being the third gunman on the grassy knoll.

You know, as well as I do, everything that came out of that box went back into that box. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Cal,

Let me see if I understand this new accusation correctly.

I contacted you about a knife you had for trade, that I wanted. I made a deal with you and you sent me three knives. I did this so I could keep one of the knives, but not the knife I wanted. I would keep a knife I have no interest in owning and would have used for trading. Except I wouldn't be able to trade it, because it was stolen. To accomplish this, I replaced the knife with packing material that weighed exactly the same as the knife. How did I know how much packing material to use, you ask? Well.. I haven't figured this part out yet, but let's move on. I then shipped the package back to you. This whole scheme was devised to obtain a knife from you that I didn't even know you had until you offered it, and only wanted it then to use for future trades. The sacrifice would be not getting the knife I actually wanted and no longer being able to trade on the forums.

This is all starting to sound like a conspiracy theory. Next you'll accuse me of being the third gunman on the grassy knoll.

You know, as well as I do, everything that came out of that box went back into that box. Nothing more, nothing less.


It was the perfect crime, and you would have gotten away with it, if you hadn't included the original paper it was wrapped in and the rubber band.... ;)
 
When I saw "Troy" I knew something shady was going on... Bends, I grew up in Latham. No opinion on this feud, didn't really read much, just wanted to go for a home town shout out. And yeah, Troy is shady.
 
Bends, I think your master plan failed.......from the very beginning you know you really just wanted to steal that rubber band. Lol. :eek:
 
Bends, I think your master plan failed.......from the very beginning you know you really just wanted to steal that rubber band. Lol. :eek:

Don't worry, I've contacted the Illuminati and asked for assistance planning my next conspiracy. That rubber band will be mine!
 
This is crazy!
I just found this thread today and are truly enjoying it.
Lots of twists and turns.
 
Bends, the fact that you still missed your initial shipping date is still the only misdeed we know for sure, and it's a bit suspect of your intentions. Also, you're explaining away stuff like you're dumb (you know you could weigh the box when you got it and approximate the weight for a small knife with packing material or weighed the knife and replaced that much material in the box, just because it wasn't your favorite knife doesn't mean you didn't steal it, and just because it's stolen doesn't mean you couldn't trade it, or that you wouldn't ever consider keeping it). It's not that far fetched that you took a knife out of the box and replaced it with packing material out of malice because of this thread or for whatever reason; and the fact that it was the smallest and lightest knife of the 3 makes the selection apt for such a ploy.

Just from reading the posts here, I think you're just smart enough to cover the simple bases you would need to to pull this off. For those of you that don't know, a Bone trapper ways approximately 4oz, and an average standard size corrugated cardboard box weighs approximately 6oz. So 2/3 of a cardboard box (could be achieved by replacing paper with cardboard, or even more creative means of cutting the product) is what it would take. Now I don't know the facts or if Bends is a thief or if Calemerson has a bad memory, but I can say with a modest degree of certainty that the accusation against Bends isn't as far fetched as he would have you believe (certainly not as unlikely as a second shooter on the grassy knoll). The only thing both parties admit and agree on is that Bends missed his agreed on ship date by a couple weeks, which is both suspect given the additional transpiration and evidence of somebody that at the very least is a poor trader, despite his excuses of moving. What upstanding party enters into obligations they aren't certain they can fulfill? If I have an upcoming trip or move that puts me out of town for 2 weeks, I would either arrange shipping or hold off on making a trade agreement.

As for why you would return the other 2 knives, take the smallest and back out of the trade, people have second thoughts on exchanges all the time, and in the agreed on trade the best you do is break even - if you keep one of the OP's knives and all of yours, you clearly come out ahead. Plus, the recent developments has caused the thread to do a 180, the topic is no longer the guy who was 2 weeks late on shipping, it's what was in the box. I have never witnessed someone who clearly had poor behavior reverse public opinion so completely.

Again, I don't know if Bends is a smarter than average scammer, or if OP is old and forgetful, but the likelihood of option A is about equal to someone that followed through on their shipping obligations having the other party ditch out for a few weeks, start a thread bringing it to the attention of the whole forum, and then have the other party reveal that the agreed on knives weren't in the box. It's just as likely that the trapper was in the box and it was lost on Bends' end when he unpacked the knives. Sadly, I don't think we'll ever know, and Calemerson didn't have enough foresight to have videotaped the unpackaging of the material to add credence to his claim of additional packing material. Option A is a strange course of action... this whole thread is strange. It's also an indictment on the process of using the trade forum. Too many variables to have confidence, and you forfeit the protection that PayPal would afford in a direct purchase. The more complicated a deal gets, the more objects exchanging hands, the more trust you have to put in the other party, the more likely there will be a problem in the final result. Even without any punishment, I wouldn't think that knowing for a fact that you're dishonest, or a liar, or a cheat is worth a stag handled trapper.

Cal Emerson, if it turns out that you didn't include the trapper in the package please do the right thing and report it here. Bends, you still screwed up not shipping your knives out on time in the first place.
 
To go to such a level of deceit in order to steal a sub $500 knife is mind boggling!!! I would find it a bit more believable if the knife in question was a Ken Onion folder, but who knows......................

I am not taking sides, just looking at the evidence and so far there is no evidence. Yeah, maybe a wee bit of circumstantial circumstantial evidence but I go back to sentence one: who needs a knife so badly to do the above? Then do what with it after half the knife world is now aware of the knife? Heck, the knife is now infamous!!!!

Heck, all one has to do here on BFC is explain they have significant money woes but desperately want a knife. There is no doubt in my mind someone here would gift you one, maybe not a Scagel but a knife that will be a good EDC!!!
 
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A Justice,

I'm still not sure where the notion I was moving or on a trip came from. Even Cal stated in his first post that I had received some bad news from my family. I've not said too much more about it, because I didn't feel like sharing personal information with a public forum. If you look through my feedback, you will see several comments about good communication and fast shipping.

On Jan 22nd I received a phone call from my sister, at 6am, that my mother had been in a bad car wreck and was going directly into surgery. After making arrangements for my ticket, dogs, work, and someone to look after my home, the next thing I did was email Cal from the airport and inform him of the issue. Even while my mother was in ICU, I continued to stay in contact and told Cal several times I did not know exactly how long before I'd be back home. When I did finally get home and then finally open the package, a knife was missing. Yes, I should have emailed Cal immediately. I was exhausted and worn out, both physically and mentally. I just didn't want to deal with it. In the end, I probably would have just shipped my knives to him and accepted the missing knife as a loss.

You are correct, it comes down to two options:
1. Cal misplaced the knife or had second thoughts on trading it and left it out
2. I'm a criminal mastermind who used my skills to steal an inexpensive knife

I've enjoyed trading on this forum and would have liked continuing to do so. Sadly, because of this I probably will no longer be able to no mater what the mods decide to do. But that's OK, there are more important things in life.
 
I don't see a problem if you continue participating. There are some aspects of this thread that are far more frustrating than what you did/didn't do. As far as this matter is concerned, I'd call it closed. Seems like Some folks put the cart before the horse on this matter. It was a ultimately a frustrating waste of time for everyone involved, another good example of how NOT to do things in this section.
 
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