Best commando knife?

no offense taken. however, how may brands, models, etc... does one need before it just becomes a blur of "words". okay i'll play too: busse battle mistress $300-$800=good chopper + camp knife. busse fusion steel heart $500-$800=chopper+camp knife. busse badger attack $300-$400=good mid size all around knife. busse active duty or game warden $200-$300=good edc knife. those are some examples os just some of the busse line. try swamp rat line. scrap yard line. bark river line. chris reeve line (pacific,green beret 5.5" or 7", neil roberts warrior, etc...). sog,cold steel,kabar, al mar, spyderco, kiku, hattori, kanetsune, entrek, tops, fehrman, and many,many more production lines. try customs in the makers forum. (good knives @ decent prices). sorry if i didn't mention your favorite one. bottom line is each individual is got to do homework, buy a knife, try it, keep or sell it untill he/she finds one they like. also each knife will be strong in certain tasks like chopping, slicing,etc... so said person will probably have many knives. the movies are just that- movies! in hawaii, the most daring hunters hunt with dogs and a big (12"-18") knife. dogs track and run the pig down. hunter pokes pig in neck, bleeds,dresses, then humps pig down the mountain. not so easy and pretty like in movies. big chance of getting sliced by tusks (cornered pigs are dangerous 100-175 lb's) any operator knows that if you have to use your knife in combat you are screwed! sounds like wannabe mall ninja's are looking for the next cool knife! if you want to be a commando join the military like i did in '85. seriously though, everyone has their own favorite knives, you all got to find yours. enough words given. kimo out!
 
1kimo4u said:
you know it's kind of funny, there are no "commando" units in the US military.
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Maybe someone could fill in Samael on what the commandos carry? Does anyone but Britain actually field "commandos"?

As he already stated our elite forces, of whatever branch, pretty much buy their own and their is no standard, as several knives fit the bill.

Of course if one wants a bad ass knive that works with their gun (assuming the use an AR-15, the new marine Corps bayonet fits the bill, as it was meant to be both a usable field knife and bayonet.

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1kimo4u said:
no offense taken. however, how may brands, models, etc... does one need before it just becomes a blur of "words". okay i'll play too: busse battle mistress $300-$800=good chopper + camp knife. busse fusion steel heart $500-$800=chopper+camp knife. busse badger attack $300-$400=good mid size all around knife. busse active duty or game warden $200-$300=good edc knife. those are some examples os just some of the busse line. try swamp rat line. scrap yard line. bark river line. chris reeve line (pacific,green beret 5.5" or 7", neil roberts warrior, etc...). sog,cold steel,kabar, al mar, spyderco, kiku, hattori, kanetsune, entrek, tops, fehrman, and many,many more production lines. try customs in the makers forum. (good knives @ decent prices). sorry if i didn't mention your favorite one. bottom line is each individual is got to do homework, buy a knife, try it, keep or sell it untill he/she finds one they like. also each knife will be strong in certain tasks like chopping, slicing,etc... so said person will probably have many knives. the movies are just that- movies! in hawaii, the most daring hunters hunt with dogs and a big (12"-18") knife. dogs track and run the pig down. hunter pokes pig in neck, bleeds,dresses, then humps pig down the mountain. not so easy and pretty like in movies. big chance of getting sliced by tusks (cornered pigs are dangerous 100-175 lb's) any operator knows that if you have to use your knife in combat you are screwed! sounds like wannabe mall ninja's are looking for the next cool knife! if you want to be a commando join the military like i did in '85. seriously though, everyone has their own favorite knives, you all got to find yours. enough words given. kimo out!
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i'm sure there are still a few brands that u forgot to mention:jerkit:

hahahah!
 
It does not get much better than the SOG Northwest Ranger. You can pay a bunch more but the SOG does the job well.
 
1kimo4u said:
you know it's kind of funny, there are no "commando" units in the US military. however there are: delta force, special forces, rangers, navy seals, usmc force recon, usmc battalion recon, scout snipers, usaf para-jumpers (?), various direct action units. most buy their own knives. (gov. issue is wanting) blades are probably 5"-7". good steel. good design and carry system. and kept sharp! knives are probably used mostly in the rear with the gear! when your ass is in the grass guns are used!!! so pick the one you want and get on with it!!! now about the booze and women!
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Actually there are.
Wikipedia:

In military science, the term commando can refer to an individual, a military unit, or a raiding style of military operation. In some contexts, "commando" means elite light infantry or special forces. Commando units have a variety of specialist capabilities which enable them to conduct these kind of operations, most notable a broad range of deployment skills which often include parachuting, airborne rappelling or fast-roping, or amphibious landings.

In the military forces of some Commonwealth countries, there is a distinction between commando units, which specialise in offensive or assault tasks, and other special forces units, which specialise in: counter-terrorism and/or; reconnaissance and sabotage missions behind enemy lines.

Originally "a commando" was a type of military unit. In many languages, "commando" or "kommando" means "command", in the sense of a military unit.
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How about the old ww2 style m3 trech knife? I had one awhile back and it felt good to me. Saw some reproductions for about 50 bucks somewhere.
 
1kimo4u said:
aloha all, bors, please refer to post #38 of this thread. i did my time!
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Well then I guess that makes you a "commando" dosen't it.

Since you are a commando and you can list pretty much all the makers how about some advice for Samael on what works and what doesn't.
 
sorry, but the only thing i cut with my gerber bmf (plain spine) was 550 tape, paracord, and mre cases. my bmf sure looked bad though. any sharp blade will cut. if your ever in hawaii let me know!
 
Dark Ops deserves its own thread to be honest, such specialised covert weapons designed for "fightin" need to be examed in a more detailed scope.

I read theyre knives are able to cut out of a helicopter canopy! and can also cut elevator arrestor wires and other such threatening objects.

Damnit wish i had one, if only they had the secret training manual to become a super shinobi warrior as well, id be indestructable!
 
FireInvestigator said:
Samael, are you a kid?

I'm With Scott Dog on this one.

I know I dont belong in another forum.This one is just fine,thank you. I think you rambo wannabees need another forum where you can pretend to be something you are not with others that are not. I doubt a guy like you has even seen a dead body much less one that was stabbed,cuz if you had... you wouldnt be talking about it nor would you be asking others on the web what kind of knife you would need. thus,you sound like a young kid. Try asking that question in the company of Warriors,Cops or Firefighters and you would likely get laughed out the door (If not pushed).

I think guys like you need a few friends,a girlfriend or some time off the internet.

I wish I could forget some of the things I have seen in this life and pray like hell people never see what I have seen. Now pardon me, but I'm going to go kiss my two little girls to sleep.
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Well said. The best knife (Or weapon) is the one you have at hand. As far as what "Commandos" & other such SFs use, it's ever changing. You use what you have.

I personally preferred .308s to .223s & have fond memories of my Camillus. I actually liked the little one (5" blade) as I found the saw teeth on the back to be useful. Yes, it saw more "utility" duty than anything else.

I've been stabbed, unfortunately, & did the same right back. It isn't fun or glorious.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I just don't remember giving much thought as to what brand I had as long as it worked (Back then U.S. made was IT).

There's alot more choices today, but I notice the higher end, popular knives (Chris Reeves, Strider, etc), are simple designs, but well built with the best materials at this time.

Interesting thread...
 
Kermit said:
Damnit wish i had one, if only they had the secret training manual to become a super shinobi warrior as well, id be indestructable!
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hahaha yeah i bet u can find a pdf or audiobook of that somewhere, if u google really hard that is :D
 
FireInvestigator said:
Samael, are you a kid?
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Waaa! Somebody stole my bowl of cocoa puffs!

You're only slightly off the mark. Am old enough to remember Eisenhower being President. Am old enough to have put my 30 in with Denver PD, and yes, have seen enough dead bodies to know it from the smell when I walk in the room. Yeah, have forgotten many of them, but some I will never forget.

And have been personally responsible for a few of them.

I will, however, plead guilty to having a little fun on a boring night before spending almost all day Sunday in the air. Looks like I was successful, as this thread has actually generated some very interesting and, at times, entertaining comments.

As to bringing this topic up with special forces, cops, etc., have done this and have most definitely not been laughed out of the room.

Agree that the tactics and training are more important than the tool. Agree that, in almost all conceivable scenarios, a gun is going to be more useful than a knife.

However, as has been noted above by both me and someone else, there is a considerable variety of opinions even among those folks about what knife is best, and I thought I'd see where the folks in this forum weighed in. And yes, was pleasantly surprised by the number of very thoughtful responses I received.
 
Well it looks like things are winding down before I got a chance to chime in. (Doggone international dateline)

Since this is pretty much academic, I`ll just try to offer my opinion in terms of charicteristics instead of brands or models. I worked at Busse Combatfor 7 teerific years and got to sit in on alot of design sessions. Although we intentionally stayed away from knives like this, how a tool is meant to be used determines the design.

Most knives that are made as a weapon for silent killing will have A)a double edge so the blade can be wiggled around to increase the size of the wound cavity after a throst, or so that deep slashes can be made with either edge.B)A blade between 6-8 inches long so that a deep thrust can reach large organs such as the heart, lungs, kindeys, and liver. These are all very big bleeders.Blade length is tricky. Too long and it`s unwieldy in the close quarter the task calls for, too short and you risk not hitting those deep organs. The first F/S knives had a 7 inch blade that was shortened to 6 in later models IIRC. C)A slightly longer handle allows for the knife to be held securely in a variety of positions. Also this allows for the pommel to be used as a striking surface that can set up entries for blade insertion. D) Blade shape is generally a straight dagger because the meathods usually taught seem to focus more on the thrust and possibly cutting out, but as various meathods of slashing are taught as sentrie removal techniques recurves may become more popular. There is alot of debate on how wide the blade should be. The F/S commando knife of WWII fame was narrow, almost needle-like at the point, and great for easy deep insertion. However it was also prone to breaking. I don`t know if this was a design issue or a fault of materials. The Applegate/Fairbairne design popular now came out at the end of the war and wasnever produced until decades later. The blade is broader giving broader wound channel with more bleeding,but losing some of that ease of blade insertion. (Something to think of depending on the gear the target is wearing.) E) Finally, since they are designed for one purpose, killing, most of them don`t have the serrations everyone seems to think are needed to cut rope. Most have plain edges for ease of sharpening in the field. Gerber`s old Mk II is the only one with partial serrations I`m aware of.

I was a knifemaker and tool designer,not a soldier.My opinion isn`t better than anyone else`s. But for the first 15 years Busse was in bussiness he only sold to military and police because our production was so limited. So we got to talk with lots of elite soldiers about what they wanted and needed to do thier jobs. They all said the same things: 1)A knife should be a rugged, low-maintainance,simple design that can be used (and abused) for multiple tasks.2) It needs to be more tool than weapon. If you need to kill someone quietly someone from an elite unit will either use a firearm w/ a supressor or gang up and remove said bad guy when he`s out numbered 3 to 1. A knife is NOT the preffered meathod. 3) If you`re in a situalion where you HAVE to used a knife as a weapon...somebody screwed the pooche big time.

Just my .02
 
Chosen-frozen, I admire your discretion in your choice of the words "possibly cutting out." For pretty obvious reasons, we can't discuss techniques in any kind of detail here, but yes, "possibly cutting out" is indeed taught by most as the preferred method.

Funny how the 60+-year-old F/S remains the gold standard even today, with most of the better commando knives involving only slight modifications to it.

Thanks for your very intelligent and informed comments.
 
Samael...its good to know you are not some confused mall ninja kid, and are, in fact, an adult who started an inflammatory thread to have a little fun at our expense while you were somewhere else.

That was fun! Wasn't it, Scott Dog?
 
Almost chose not to respond to that last post, but what the hell.

"Inflammatory"? OK. We are almost to the last person gun owners as well. Would anyone here consider a thread about the best "manstopper" bullet inflammatory? Should all discussion of guns here be limited to the ones that are best at punching holes in paper?

Yes, my friend, people do occasionally use guns for things other than punching holes in paper, and they also use knives for things other than whittling. I don't consider that inflammatory, and neither should you.
 
Samael said:
Yes, my friend, people do occasionally use guns for things other than punching holes in paper, and they also use knives for things other than whittling. I don't consider that inflammatory, and neither should you.
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I do and so do many others around here.

Wannabe assassins only add fuel to the "knives should be banned" fire. I value knives as tools and collect them as pieces of art. Not as instruments of death.

You have every right to do so, but saying that people here who disagree with your hobby do not belong on this forum is a gross misunderstanding of what Bladeforums represents.

Feel free to hang around a while and find out.
 
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