Best Spyderco SD?

[dragonram7]

My SD EDC IS A Civilian. James Keating's training video will teach you how to us it. The Civilian stops alot of fights before they start.

Three votes for civilian.

 

[yablanowitz]

Okay, you doubtless know a lot more about SD and martial arts in general than I do. I'm just a fifty year old fat guy that carries a Yojimbo for a utility knife But here are a few observations:

The Gunting, from what I have read about it, requires considerable training to render it harmless to the user, or at least more dangerous to the other guy. I have also read a number of posts stating it should be carried in a belt holster. It certainly doesn't look like it would be comfortable to carry IWB to me.

I would avoid the Wave feature on a knife for IWB carry, especially under a suit coat. Unless you wear disposable suits, in which case you should feel free to disregard this advice. I would suggest the ATR for your consideration if it were not for the Cobrahood's tendancy to wave the knife open on the draw. This can result in the blade tangling in the fabric of the jacket, which can cause a fumbled draw or a damaged coat.

The Yojimbo is a good, solid yet light knife which will all but disappear in your waistband, assuming you can get the grippy G-10 and somewhat square corners to let go of all the fabric long enough to get it there. It also leaves a very small end sticking up, which doesn't offer a great deal of purchase area to draw the knife, but is great for gouging your kidney when you sit down.

The Military is a great knife, probably the best liner lock on the market today. It is light and strong, cuts like crazy, is a great utility tool and would make a devastating weapon, especially in the full serrated edge. The only drawback I see with it is the great grippyness of the handle makes it a pain in the butt to get between a shirttail and a waistband.

That brings me back to the Police model. Thin, smooth, rounded corners, just enough flare at the top to provide good purchase for drawing the knife, swedge ground tip for better penetration (and the swedge is completely inside the handle when closed, so it could be sharpened if desired and legal where you live), over four inches of cutting edge, available plain, serrated or combo edge, with a handle shape that offers surprisingly good grip in spite of the slick appearance. It is straight enough to thrust with, plenty sharp enough to slash with, long enough closed to make a great pain compliance device and has a very strong mid-back lock. It would be at the top of my list to check out for your use.

 

[3mptin3ss]

for sd i recommend fully serrated folders. in a sd situation, you want all the cutting power you can possibly have. lessens the chance of the blade sliding over the clothing and not cutting your attacker. i prefer larger blades. a stab wound/slash from a full size miltary is going to be way worse than from a delica.

military is large, fully serrated, light, but also somehwat costly.

dallara is strong and sturdy, can be flicked open fast and easily, good price

delica 4 is a good all around knife. decent size, good price

delica wave - spearlike blade, wave feature





for smaller blades....

delica4 wave
delica 4 fully serrated
native fully serrated

my mistake, for the top portion i meant endura4 and endura wave. fully serrated endura is a great choice. good all around knife, good size, lots of cutting power.

 

[thefirefox]

Nobody has mentioned the harpy yet, would make an effective slasher I would guess. Also sized well for IWB carry.

 

[dragonram7]

Okay, you doubtless know a lot more about SD and martial arts in general than I do. I'm just a fifty year old fat guy that carries a Yojimbo for a utility knife But here are a few observations:

The Gunting, from what I have read about it, requires considerable training to render it harmless to the user, or at least more dangerous to the other guy. I have also read a number of posts stating it should be carried in a belt holster. It certainly doesn't look like it would be comfortable to carry IWB to me.

I would avoid the Wave feature on a knife for IWB carry, especially under a suit coat. Unless you wear disposable suits, in which case you should feel free to disregard this advice. I would suggest the ATR for your consideration if it were not for the Cobrahood's tendancy to wave the knife open on the draw. This can result in the blade tangling in the fabric of the jacket, which can cause a fumbled draw or a damaged coat.

The Yojimbo is a good, solid yet light knife which will all but disappear in your waistband, assuming you can get the grippy G-10 and somewhat square corners to let go of all the fabric long enough to get it there. It also leaves a very small end sticking up, which doesn't offer a great deal of purchase area to draw the knife, but is great for gouging your kidney when you sit down.

The Military is a great knife, probably the best liner lock on the market today. It is light and strong, cuts like crazy, is a great utility tool and would make a devastating weapon, especially in the full serrated edge. The only drawback I see with it is the great grippyness of the handle makes it a pain in the butt to get between a shirttail and a waistband.

That brings me back to the Police model. Thin, smooth, rounded corners, just enough flare at the top to provide good purchase for drawing the knife, swedge ground tip for better penetration (and the swedge is completely inside the handle when closed, so it could be sharpened if desired and legal where you live), over four inches of cutting edge, available plain, serrated or combo edge, with a handle shape that offers surprisingly good grip in spite of the slick appearance. It is straight enough to thrust with, plenty sharp enough to slash with, long enough closed to make a great pain compliance device and has a very strong mid-back lock. It would be at the top of my list to check out for your use.

Thank you for the recommendation. I will add the Police Model to the list. It does fit the parameters of the task. I love the Miltary and the Yojimba also but the G10 might cause some problems. I guess a CF Military in BG-42 might work but I'm not sure how the carry would be in IWB. I will put it on the list as well and see how many seconds we get on the recommendations.

 

[dragonram7]

my mistake, for the top portion i meant endura4 and endura wave. fully serrated endura is a great choice. good all around knife, good size, lots of cutting power.

Endura-noted. Thank you

 

[dragonram7]

Nobody has mentioned the harpy yet, would make an effective slasher I would guess. Also sized well for IWB carry.

I'll put the Harpy on the list.

 

[ashtxsniper]

I would say the Police model fits your wants perfectly.

 

[dragonram7]

I would say the Police model fits your wants perfectly.

Another vote for Police noted. Thanks for the input.

 

[dragonram7]

Here is the count at this time:

Civilian/Matriach-4 votes
Chinook II/III-3
Police-2
Military-2
D'allara-2
Endura 4 SE-2
Rescue Jr-2
Manix-1
Masaad Ayoob-1
Endura wave-1
Delica 4 wave-1
Lava-1
Harpy-1

 

[razcob]

...........Do you live near salt water?...........

He needs the knife to kill something in a life threatening situation. He won't have time to ask the assailant for a current Tetanus shot history. He already said, he would carry it IWB. It will get plenty of moisture there and probably more when he trains with it. I don't think rust resistance will be his main concern.

I said all this 'nicely'.

 

[razcob]

The Military......... best liner lock on the market today..........

LMAO.....you obviously haven't compared the Military's thin liner lock to an Almar SERE. There is no comparison.

 

[yablanowitz]

He needs the knife to kill something in a life threatening situation. He won't have time to ask the assailant for a current Tetanus shot history. He already said, he would carry it IWB. It will get plenty of moisture there and probably more when he trains with it. I don't think rust resistance will be his main concern.

I said all this 'nicely'.

Yep, and in a life threatening situation, I would like to know for certain, even before I reach for it, that my SD knife isn't rusted shut. I'd also kind of like to know that it wasn't leaving rust stains on my nice white shirts the other 99.99% of the time. But that is just me.

As far as the BGCF Military goes, I think you will find the peel-ply carbon fiber is at least as abrasive as G-10. I know my year old BGCF Military is as rough as my month old D2 Military. I have tried carrying the Military IWB and I had a devil of a time getting it to let go of the T-shirt and jeans to put it away. Drawing it was no real problem, but it did pull the shirt tail out with it.

 

[yablanowitz]

LMAO.....you obviously haven't compared the Military's thin liner lock to an Almar SERE. There is no comparison.

The Last Al Mar SERE I looked at was a backlock. I thought we were discussing Spydercos here

 

[razcob]

That brings me back to the Police model........

I think this is a poor recommendation, because if you get blood on that smooth handle, it will be hard to hold onto. Perhaps that is why the Gunting has G-10 handles.

 

[razcob]

The Last Al Mar SERE I looked at was a backlock. I thought we were discussing Spydercos here

Wrong...........the SERE is a liner lock.

 

[EmsRescueGuy]

Ill cast another vote for the Police, I also like the Endura 4, and the FRN is lighter than the all steel police model, without being as rough on clothes as some of the g10 models.

Both are slim and easily carried, with strong locks, I say pick up one of each and carry them for a week to see what you like.

 

[3mptin3ss]

I think this is a poor recommendation, because if you get blood on that smooth handle, it will be hard to hold onto. .

bingo. thats why i wouldnt recommend anything with SS handles for SD. have fun trying to use that knife when your hands are sweaty or bloody in the heat of the action.

the civilian/matriarch are great but inmop they are too specialized, which is the same reason i didnt include the pkal in my list. the civilian is a wicked weapon for sure, but id rather have a large knife i can use to stab/thrust with. the movements will be more versatile with knife that isnt so specialized. slashes can be nasty, but stab wounds are usually way worse and stop people/animals quicker.

 

[dragonram7]

Ill cast another vote for the Police, I also like the Endura 4, and the FRN is lighter than the all steel police model, without being as rough on clothes as some of the g10 models.

Both are slim and easily carried, with strong locks, I say pick up one of each and carry them for a week to see what you like.

Add one Police and one Endura 4. Thanks for your vote.

 

[dragonram7]

Wrong...........the SERE is a liner lock.

OK. Didn't see that coming. I'll put one down for the Al Mar SERE. Liner lock VG-10 steel, G10 handles, SERE school at Fort Bragg. I'll put it down in the S2KB (black) for corrosion resistance. Thanks for the recommendation.