Bevel grinding jigs

FredyCro said:
Anyone smart will accept to get 3 free HT knife blanks from Natlek :D

Let the games begin!
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Anyone smart would not take challenge ...........because they know they will lose ;)
I forgot other one condition......................any color on blade and you are d-i-s-q-u-a-l-i-f-i-e-d
@freddy , what is trolling ?
 
eric brinkerhoff said:
AVigil is smart and he's a good knife maker...I hope he takes the challenge just for fun!
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Grinding blades as fast as you can is not a "challenge". Natlek is about grinding fast with a jig because he is more about making machines from scrap instead of making high quality fit and finish knives.

If he were a painter he would be promoting a challenge between "paint by numbers" and free hand painting, or cooking he would be challenging pressure cooker BBQ vs. Stick burner smoker BBQ

He can not master grinding freehand so he tries to compensate by grinding faster, so he makes a dumb challenge, as if that were important.

No one is claiming using a jig can be slower and not accurate, that is an argument he is having in his own head.

Anyone who makes fine handmade knives would know that the time spent on grinding the blade is far less then completing the rest of the knife at a high level of fit and finish.
 
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N Natlek Dude you started all this d..k comparing because I said - freehand grinding gives you speed. And you saw the oportunity to brag about how fast your grinder is. Freehand gives me speed because I have the ability to just grab the blade and start grinding it. No matter what shape it is. Sometimes it's forged and the tang is not convineantly made out of calibrated steel, sometimes I want to make rhomboid puukko and the crossection continues trough the whole tang. I don't need to worry how I should fix it and adjust the angle , I just eyeball it for a second and grind . Sometimes I want to change the angle along the blade. When I grind freehand I can cross the grinding direction to be sure all the previous scraches are gone. I don't want to take your challenge , because it's poinless. I don't have 5345432 m/s grinder and I showed you that you can freehand grind a blade accurately and fast enough even on a pretty slow machine. Freehand grinding is awesome and usefull skill. If we follow your logic - your jigs are useless and a waste of time too, because big factories with liquid cooled cnc machines are much faster and more acurate than your jig. I will now stop comunicating with you , because you are not a reasonable person . Cheers
 
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AVigil said:
Grinding blades as fast as you can is not a "challenge". Natlek is about grinding fast with a jig because he is more about making machines from scrap instead of making high quality fit and finish knives.
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Ok , make sure you have good/full charged battery in whatever you use for video............grinding time is out of challenge. Grind all night if you want , we shall value other tings ................??
 
Dimitar Popov said:
N Natlek Dude you started all this d..k comparing because I said - freehand grinding gives you speed.
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First .......DUDE , did you read topic from first post ????............
I am looking for a good bevel grinding jig for making knives. I make skinning knives, kitchen knives, and the occasional double-edged dagger but always have a heck of a time getting the bevels right, especially on daggers. Does anyone know of a jig or simple machine I can buy that would simplify this process?
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So , I didn t start this Off topic .....jig or free hand things !
What you showed us in that video is unfinished blade , something that look like knife ! ! You didn t remove one coffee spoon dust of steel . That s why I ask you to make other video after hardening that blade :D
I believe that on this forum is possible to press some button and put any member on ignore list , that way you should not see my post .It is your choice , why I should care about that ? I mean what you like or not like to read ?
Cheers !
 
Blackdirt cowboy said:
That’s a cool little jig, and I have nothing against jigs. I have one or two that I made, myself. But at some point, can you really call it a hand made knife anymore?
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If I cared that much about "hand made", I'd be hammer forging damascus or such, not doing stock removal.

For me, devising a good jig is more fun and interesting than learning to do it free hand. Every time I free hand ground a bevel, I couldn't help but think "There has to be a better way to do this."

But hey, I'd use a CNC mill to make my knives if I had one, so *shrug* For me it's all about the end product and nothing else, and I don't think there's anything wrong with either way of thinking. What ever brings you the most joy, or gets you the most business!!
 
Natlek said:
I believe that on this forum is possible to press some button and put any member on ignore list
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I forgot all about that feature. That may be the most helpful thing you ever posted here.
 
sure ...nice button for backpedaling for what you you claim about free hand skills mastering :D
Enough !
 
Natlek said:
HT service ??
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Whoa, big fella....easy there. Unfortunately, you went off the rails when you included this example. Every knife gets heat treated pretty much the same way so including this doesn't help your argument....
 
Well I just got my flat Platinum attachment onto my Wilton square wheel grinder and made myself a rudimentary sled. I pulled out a couple of knives from my finish later knives that I kind of gave up on or was unsatisfied with and tried truing some of the ones with faulty bevels. The first knife I tried was a rather large Bowie and it was gratifying to see that my bevels were pretty flat but my plunge lines were out of whack so that was the first thing that I noticed The jig certainly enabled me to get better plunge lines. Then I tried another knife with such faulty bevels that I had to grind all the way through the blade to correct them that one went in the trash. Anyway I'm having so much fun with the jig system I feel like I'm cheating.
 
Hope it's safe for me to post on this thread :). I do love good conversation, all of us here have learned a lot by listening to those with good sound information to share. I know I have. I also listen to my customers. They have helped me to improve what I make.
We have been making Bubble Jigs for over a decade and have shipped over 5,000 of them to all parts of the world and I'll let our reputation speak for us. We have always had a money back option for this tool and in 10 years we've only gotten one returned and that was user error to where in the end we shipped the tool back to him.
My son Kevin is doing all the machining and manufacturing of this tool; I'm sitting back and taking it easy, for the most part. I'm 77 this year and it takes a little more time to get moving; I'm sure many of you understand that one.
Making quality blades is a matter of grinding at the same required angle at each pass and not making passes at different angles; that is time consuming. When you grind at the same angle at each pass you will end up grinding a better blade in a shorter time. Making corrections at the end of the grind is time consuming and error prone.
How ever you decide to approach making a knife keep in mind it's the end results that count. Are you proud of what you made or not.
Enjoy the time you have in your shop and make it a worthy effort, Fred
 
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Fred.Rowe Fred.Rowe , your record of returns (or lack thereof), speaks volumes for your product. I have never used a grinding jig, but I’ll give yours a try. Thanks for your years of applied experience and dedication.
 
AVigil said:
Anyone who makes fine handmade knives would know that the time spent on grinding the blade is far less then completing the rest of the knife at a high level of fit and finish.
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I don't qualify my knives as "fine", but I wholeheartedly agree. I use a jig, so maybe grinding bevels is the easy part. Fine tuning edge geometry, perfecting fit and finish, handle shaping (and making a comfortable and visually pleasing handle at the same time). That all takes hours and hours of work. I think on the last knife I did, bevels were about 1.5 to 2 hours, the other 10-12 were spent on the rest.
 
DanF said:
Fred.Rowe Fred.Rowe , your record of returns (or lack thereof), speaks volumes for your product. I have never used a grinding jig, but I’ll give yours a try. Thanks for your years of applied experience and dedication.
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2nd that! Hello, Fred! Been awhile. Glad yer still kicking, sir!
I've always had a harder time flat grinding than hollow, so I'll try your system. Always curious about new devices.

And, I'll repeat, I have nothing against jigs. Make knives how you want, just be honest if asked about it. Was a day people wouldn't admit it, and the Guild wouldn't allow it. And that was why I learned freehand, anticipating joining the Guild. Meh.
 
I'm about to build the jig linked below, but have to make the angle iron shorter due to limited real estate on the plate mod I'm making for my 1x30. The plate will be 5"x14". How short can I make the angle iron for it still to work well? My knives will be about 9-10" total length. Blade between 3-5". Thanks for any advice.

 
fitzo said:
2nd that! Hello, Fred! Been awhile. Glad yer still kicking, sir!
I've always had a harder time flat grinding than hollow, so I'll try your system. Always curious about new devices.

And, I'll repeat, I have nothing against jigs. Make knives how you want, just be honest if asked about it. Was a day people wouldn't admit it, and the Guild wouldn't allow it. And that was why I learned freehand, anticipating joining the Guild. Meh.
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Back at you; good to see you're still making knives. With your experience this little tool will be easy to master. Rough grinding with a BJ allows you to remove maximum steel at each pass. Give me your feedback. I respect your opinion.
 
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