Beware Jerry Roberts aka underdogishere!

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I was going to wait and post this tomorrow, but since Mr. Roberts has already indicated the he will not do anything to rectify the situation, I would like to warn others so he won't pull the same tricks on them.

On June 23rd, Jerry Roberts began inquiring about a trade for a Larry Chew Spitfire I had posted for sale on the boards. I was not interested, but he persisted and finally convinced me to trade for a Terzuola folder that was in "New, unused condition". He told me he is a police officer, and the Terzuola was too nice to carry, and that he wanted something a with CF handles. The Chew would be perfect for his carry knife.

Last weekend, I agree to a trade, and we both agree to ship our knives to each other on Monday. I send mine Fedex 2 day, and he recieved it yesterday. He tells me his wife forgot to ship my knife, and I would get it today. So what he really did was wait until he had mine.

So, I receive the Terzuola today, and it is not in the condition he described. It has lint in it, where it had been carried, and the bolster is scratched, and the wood handles have either a scratch or a crack in them. See the pictures below. Within the hour, I e-mail him, andd tell him that the knife is not satisfactory, and I want my Chew back. Heck, I only recieved the knife 2 hours ago right now!

HE HAS TRADED MY KNIFE AWAY! He tells me that he can't send it back, that he thought we had a done deal, that the knife was perfect when it left, yada yada. All that nonsense about needing a duty knife was just some sob story he used to induce me to trade in the first place. He asks me to claim it with the Post Office! I try and explain that we BF'ers always give each other a 3 day inspection period, and he claims ignorance.

I told him that either he could return my knife, or pay me the $575 I wanted for it, plus my shipping costs of $25, and I would not post anything up here. He told me to do what I had to do, that he had an excellent reputation on BF.

So after having met such nice people on BF, I finally meet a scam artist. If Mr. Roberts offers (or begs, or cajoles) you to to trade any knives, I highly suggest that you have him send the knife to you for inspection before you send him anything. I consider myself lucky I did not receive a piece of Taylor cutlery along with Mr. Roberts note that it was a done deal. I consider a deal done when both parties are satisfied.
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Since this knife was LNIB and not NIB, he could send you partial money back to make this deal even? I have had this done to me a couple times, and I have done this once myself. Sometimes flaws are overlooked accidentally. I see this as something that can be fixed if he is a true gentleman. :)

My two cents,

Ryan
 
IMO:

If you traded a knife without looking at it first that's stupid and reckless.

If you then subsequently traded off the received knife before you got approval that the deal is good is again at least reckless.

I can't blame Glenn for being unhappy.

DaveH
 
I bet yall could get the maker to bring it back to new for next to nothing. Before the war gets to big try to come to terms on doing that. I will say dog has always honest with me,not saying the other man is not honest. The price to fix it would be small compared to having a war.I belive I know the knife and it would sure be a nice one to have.
Everyone remember get your deal straight on trades. No tradeing off the knife you get till both sides are happy. That one thing will save us all alot of grief.
You two think on it,take a break then talk and I bet yall can and will work it out.
 
Originally posted by underdogizhere
i got my knife from a dealer as new and never even looked at it, much less carry it as i was reported to have done..

You bought a knife, and never even looked at it?
Sure, ok.
You sent another forumite a knife without looking at it?
That's unacceptable.
He held up his end by shipping when agreed? You didn't?
That's unacceptable.
You say that a deal is done, when YOU are satisfied?
That's unacceptable.
You traded his knife, before he got or inspected yours?
That's unacceptable.
You think you can get away with it because you have a "good reputation on BF", and maybe Glenn's post won't hurt you?
Guess what-that's unacceptable. And you're wrong.

Deals are done on the honor system. Trading away the man's knife before the deal was done shows you have none.
You need to make it right.
 
underdogizhere,

I agree with all of Owen's points.

If I was Glenn I wouldn't be very happy either.

IMHO, you should pay for the knife and take your knife back, because you should not have done anything with his knife until you heard he was satisfied.
 
So far, Jerry has offered to replace the knife with an identical one, without damage. But no offer of refunds, shipping restitution or anything. He has asked that I recant this whole thing, and I will as soon as I received the knife back, or payment for the knife. If I ever get the replacement, I'll post that as well. But Jerry, you screwed me, and have told me no matter what, I can't get me knife back. That's wrong, plain and simple, and only 5 hours after I received your knife.
 
Upon receipt of the knife, it was clear that it was not a fair trade. Scratches or not, the knife is not as good as the Chew, which is pretty clear since you've had the Terz for weeks, and the Chew for less than 24 hours. Scratches or not, it is an unacceptable trade. You should have either the integrity of common sense not to sell a knife before I even receive the Terz. Waiting one day (or sending the Terz when you said you would) would have avoided this unfortunate situation. Bottom line.....new Terz or not, I am not happy or satisfied......if you weren't satisfied with the Chew, you didn't have to sell it.....I would (and still will) take it back...please.
 
6 hours ago you told me we had a done deal, and to get lost. Now, thanks to BF, he's gonna do the right thing. Well, I'm gonna pack up your knife real nice, and send it AS SOON as I have the Chew back. You had both knives for a day during this transaction, why can't I? I have done only what I said I would, and you took 2 extra days to ship. I don't want to go through that again. I look forward to receiving the Chew.
 
First of all, I would like to apologize to all the guys and gals for my not having the balls to post this when the incidence happened. A few months back, I traded a Tighe Pan for a Ralph EDC with Jerry Roberts aka. underdogizhere. This being my first trade, I asked Jerry how we should ship seeing how I am in Canada. He told me 2nd Day Fed Ex, and I agreed. I shipped the knife the following day and forwarded the tracking number, and waited a day for Jerry to forward his tracking number. It never came. I emailed the 3 following days asking for the tracking number and I never received one. Jerry had my knife in his hands for 1 day before he ever shipped the EDC, and then shipped standard UPS ground and blamed it on a screw up by his fiance. I got the knife two weeks later and he had already posted the Tighe Pan for sale at least a week before I received the EDC. When the knife did get here, the lock was lose and I ended up sending it back to Darrel Ralph to be fixed. The total cost to me for my shipping charges, and customs fees was around $200.00 Canadian. I was the new guy and he had a good rep in the GBU, so I left it at that and went away with my tail between my legs.

Do you remember this phrase Jerry "You are only as good as your word"

BTW.Darrel fixed the knife for me fast and free of charge. Thanks Darrel
 
Here are a few of his e-mails throughout this arduous transaction. Note the final one saying "a deal is a deal"

:-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:39 PM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: Chew Spitfire..


Glen,
I have a NEW and UNUSED Bob Terzuola ATCF, with 4" ATS-34 satin finish fighter style blade, serrated thumb ramp and ambidextrous stud opener. It has Desert ironwood scales and Titanium bolsters...it is selling for about $675 - 775 that I would trade you for the Chew Spitfire as I want someyhing "to use" and this baby is to nice to mess up......here is a picture...

-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:04 AM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: Re: Chew Spitfire..


Glenn,
no..i am sorry i do not..i got rid of all my autos as they are VERY, VERY hard to re-sell as more and more states are making their possession illegal as Florida just did..even in law enforcement like me...it is a hassle..i got this terzoula as an owed item..but it is too pretty to mess up...i saw one like it on the CKD for $775..Robertson'a had one to for $625 but the problem is...you can't get any..he sold 20 knives in about 45 minutes at the blade
show..and thought you might want it ..


-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:25 PM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: Re: Chew Spitfire..


Boy,
i just pulled the terzoula out of the plastic wrapping for the first
time....i see why bob is the most sought after tactical knife maker..the back spacer is bronzed titat. and the blade is pretty thick for a 4 incher..i think you would really like this baby and it would make a GREAT addition to your collection..i hate for a dealer to get it as he will turn around and charge $700..

-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:22 PM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: chew...


glenn,
have you decided yet? the dealer is putting pressure on me..to make a decision..he must want this Terzoula very badly...
jerry

-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:37 PM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: Re: chew...


heehhehheeeee....i know.. i know...i think we will BOTH be happy...i will have a user..i have heard NOTHING but great things.. : )

-----Original Message-----
From: UnderdogIzHere@aol.com [mailto:UnderdogIzHere@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:53 PM
To: glennp33@home.com
Subject: Re: Chew Spitfire..


i do not have it! you can post anything that you want..i have a great record on the forums..you can look and see...but, a mutual trade is a mutual trade..the best i can tell you is to contact the PO, if the knife has been damaged in any way..and as far as the shipping goes, you can see when the knife was mailed..i would not have had time for your knife to arrive as my mail does not run until 3:30pm..
 
Please quit trying to deflect attention from your trickery. This isn't a debate over which knife is better. I respect Bob's work as much as any other maker, and know he makes a fine knife, and in some circles is consdered to be the "only" tactical folder. Also, please do not split hairs about the arrival of the knife. We both agreed to ship our knives on Monday....you got mine on Wednesday via 2 day Fedex, and then decided to ship USPS Express overnight. Had you kept your word, I would have had the Terz either Tuesday (had you shipped the same method), or Wednesday (had you shipped Fedex 2 day).

I would like to thank everyone here at BF, whose pressure has made Jerry abandon his earlier stance and do the right thing. Unfortunately, Jerry seems project his actions and thoughts onto others, and won't let me be in the same postion he was only yesterday, possessing both knives at once. He seems to not be willing to trust me, as I trusted him earlier in the week. He insists that I send him the Terz back first, and after having him delay shipment by several days, needless to say I am alarmed at the thought of being in the same position with this guy. We have made arrangements to get our respective knives back from each other, using an impartial intermediary. This will also avoid the possibility of any issues regarding receipt of the knives, and their conditions.
Anyway, as it stands now, I should receive my knife back sometime next week. And Jerry will have his back around the same time. If Jerry actually follows through with his committment, then I will let everyone on BF know that, other than my loss of a few extra bucks in shipping, he has kept his end of the bargain. But, as his shipping arrangements show, he is still begrudgingly trying to ameliorate this situation.
 
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