Beware Jerry Roberts aka underdogishere!

I agree that it should be a rule. I'm sure this has been cussed and discussed before, so why isn't it a rule?
 
I have traded a lot of knives here. I believe that until each person receives the knife, has a chance to inspect, and gives an affirmative agreement that they are satisfied, then the deal is not done.

I also believe that a trade for an unseen object, which is based only on a description of the condition of that object, is a verbal contract that is not consummated until both parties have had opportunity to physically inspect the respective objects and agree to the condition as described.

To me if there is not mutual agreement then the deal is still open for negotiation, or to be cancelled.
 
i agree with EVERYONE that i may have jumped the gun a little early..but none of you guys had seen the e-mails from him prior to the deal...he led me to believe that this was an "extra" chew that he had laying around..it had been on the old forums more than once and NEVER SOLD..he said because he had 2 more and one additional one on order..this one was was expendable..he said this was bought "used" from someone other than mr. chew himself and messed up, when he got it..but he sent it and had it re-furbished..i told him that..tha was ok..i sent him pictures of the Terzoula on more than one occasion..he never asked me to wait or hold on..he said lets do it..and get it done...so, with what he presented to me, i thought he was loking to unload the knife for something different and upon seeing the pictures more than once..he was satisified to have something else..i do not think this justified the threats, name calling and downing my job right from the start..and i did play hard ball at first, which ANY ONE of you would have done..then i though about it..and decided to try to get him a BRAND NEW TERZOULA..well, then that didn't satisify him and he continued to bash me..then i offered to take a day off from work and go and get his knife back..but again he continued to post negative, condesending remarks..so..I DO FEEL that I DID DO the right thing..and he slapped me in the face publicly..so, NO ONE is going to stand up for anyone but themselves..so i did..DEAL OFF and Thats it..
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What do his emails prior to the deal have to do with it? First, you did not ship when you said you would, then you used a different shipping method, and then you sold/traded his knife before he even had your knife in hand.





It does not matter if he could not sell his knife before your deal with him...This makes absolutely no difference at all here, but you imply that he should be happy with whatever you sent, because of it.
You are HAPPY with the knife he sent, so trying to make out like he mislead you somehow is not only pointless, it's dishonest and misleading.




When did the threats start? After he you told him you sold/traded his knife and would not make it right?





Don't presume to speak for me or to know what I would do, because I would not have handled this like you have. Nasty emails, harsh words, etc would not keep me from doing the right thing, period.





If you did not get his knife back, you did not do the right thing, regardless of what he emailed or posted. Maybe you don't like what he continued to post, but the gist was that he was thanking others here for support, after you told him "a deal is a deal"..Childishly, you now insist that you won't be pressured into anything, no matter how wrong you are.


First you had to be pressured to offer to get his knife back, and now you have been pressured to retract that offer.








Also, in another post you state that you have receieved email from others here offering encouragement and support, and that these are the big names on here.



I would like to see these emails, or at least know the names, becaues if these people also feel you have done the right thing, I would certainly want to think twice before doing business with them also.



I measure everyone, including myself, with the same yardstick, and you fall below the mark on this deal.
 
You're right Jerry, it's get's even better when I just sit back and watch. The only threat I made was that I was going to post on GBU, and when you told me to go ahead, do what you gotta do, I posted. Here's a thought, where would we be if the Post Office had lost your knife? What if you had neglected to insure the knife? Would you have made me wait 3 months or more for the insurance claim? Would yo have made restitution? These are all the reasons why any prudent person would hold onto the other's knife until the other had made it safely into their possession, at a minimum. An honorable person would also ensure satisfaction. Perhaps I'm being a little too speculative, but I had no idea how "on my own" I was once I had shipped that Chew out. I guess all of the positive dealings I have had BF have raised my expectations, but you have reminded me that "caveat emptor" should never be forgotten.
 
underdog - read all of these posts, and see how there is a theme - everyone agrees as to proper conduct of a trade, and you didn't follow it. So what if Glenn has annoyed you? that's irrelevant. Suck it up and do the right thing.
 
You know, let this thing lie! I know I'm adding to all of this with this post but I think valuable lessons have been learned here and there's no reason to keep up the slamming. This forum is above that and opinions have been expressed and taken into account and duly noted! I firmly believe the original participants will work things out and maybe I'm wrong but I would hate this to turn these great forums like the KF forums used to be when Mad Dog ruled the knife world.

I'm not trying to be self-righteous here but some of the respondents to this very post, I could bring up things about them and they MAYBE about me but I doubt it. My opinion is this was a good example of that Latin term, (Blues please help me out here), "Buyer Beware".

I also DO NOT agree that a sale or trade made on these great forums should be MANDATED to have a two, three, or whatever return guarantee. What's up lately that we all want an UNCONDITIONAL GUARANTEE of EVERYTHING in life! It's NOT that EASY my fellow forumites. Do YOUR job by asking questions about people and following up with questions to the seller and/or buyers. You're all sounding like a bunch of liberals! You want some great body, like our Federal Government, (i.e., SPARK who is THE government here), come to your rescue! It's a pipe dream my friends and only YOU can be the protector of your well being. Be VIGILANT my friends and DON'T ask somebody else to do it for you!
 
I have to add my 2&#162; in here... I have had a few dealings with Jerry, and they have all gone very well. I find him to be truthful in his descriptions, and fast with delivery. I wouldn't hesitate to do business with him at anytime.<p>IMHO, If Jerry did sell Glenn’s knife before he received it, and both hadn’t agreed that the deal was complete, then Jerry would be at fault; But It seems to me as though, Glenn was very sure about the trade, sight unseen, and made Jerry feel the same way. <p>Now it has become a personal thing between the two parties, and that is where the problem lies. It’s becoming a pissing match, each one trying to defend their end of the story, and their honor. Jerry, I think if you could get back the knife, do so, because that is the only way you’re going to have peace.<p>The things that have been written in this thread will in no way changed my mind in the least! I have dealt with Jerry before, and I will deal with him again. I find him to be a very honest person to deal with!
 
I gotta say this is one of the sorriest posts I've seen since I've been on the forums.

While one could say that Glenn should have stopped posting when Jerry agreed to get his knife back or the new Terzuola, or whatever -- my thanks to the 2 or 3 who quoted parts of Jerry's postings before he eliminated them all -- I don't think anyone would be appropriate in suggesting that Glenn didn't have every right to be really pissed off.

IMO, this sorry thread took a steep downward slant when Gene got on here, to "warn" Glenn that anyone who ever posted anything negative about another forumite in this forum was "branded" forever. Don't know the relationship between Jerry and Gene, but attempting to "brand" or possibly intimidate Glenn surely isn't in the spirit of this or any Blade Forums forum I've spent any time on. His nonsense at the end of his last post about those who are wanting to believe that there is a system of honor that should be applied to transactions here being liberals, and that everyone has to be "vigilant" is ludicrous. If anybody who reads that ever does business with Gene, they'd have to be an idiot. I sure would like Gene to explain how forumites can be vigilant if nobody is supposed to post their bad experiences here. And the implication that Glenn was in the wrong because he trusted Jerry is just disgusting.

And then, the icing on the cake. Narruc1 comes on to say, "IMHO, If Jerry did sell Glenn’s knife before he received it, and both hadn’t agreed that the deal was complete, then Jerry would be at fault; But It seems to me as though, Glenn was very sure about the trade, sight unseen, and made Jerry feel the same way."

If Glenn was "very sure about the trade, sight unseen, . . ." it was clearly only because he believed Jerry's assertions that the knife was NIB. From the pictures Glenn provided, NIB doesn't match the marks on the knife.

Mention was made that "some of the biggest names" on the forums were e-mailing Jerry in support of his role/stance in this affair. Well, from my perspective, particularly when it comes to honesty and what is right, there aren't any names bigger than Dave and Michael. They've both spoken about what is right here. I'm with Glenn in wanting to know who they are.

I know that I will, but I'd sure like to never again read such a sorry thread in this forum.
 
I delt with Glenn before and I WILL continue doing business with him in the future. I am glad that he posted this to us as a warning. Most folks don't have the testicular fortitude to post things like this because of the backlash. No one has to take sides - read and sort thru it. ;) I would have been pissed off if this happened to me.

Any deal isn't DONE until both parties are content. Selling/trading the knife off before hearing back was a bad move IMHO.

Make it right, underdogizhere/Jerry.

"The Truth will set you fee" John 8:32b :cool:
 
It does not matter why he is not happy. Why can you not understand that?
If he is not happy with it, he should be able to get his knife back..it's that simple.

He does not have to mention that the knife was damaged, especially to a third party. HE DID NOT LIKE IT, for whatever reason.

It is my sincere hope that I never have dealings with anyone that will twist & squirm as much as you have throughout this deal.
I would not do business with you just from what I have seen posted by you here, in this thread.

What comes around goes around....
 
I don't personally know either of the combatants here, but in my mind a deal should never be considered complete until both parties are satisfied.

Edited to tone down the drama... :)

Just my $0.02,
Mike
 
Bugs,
I don't know you but I have noticed you have sure become the resident "expert" on everything in these forums in such a short time. I remember when you first came on board, it was you that caused such a stir on the "For Sale" forum by posting to ads telling folks how they should or should not write their ads or sell their knives. A few folks had to tell you to "bud out".

You need to take a reading comprehension course because for the life of me I don't know how you came up with some of your comments concerning my posts. Taking my "branded" comment out of context to say I was using it towards Glenn or saying that I said Glenn was WRONG to post his experience proves it!

Even though I started my last post by stating "Let's stop the slamming", it looks like you must enjoy it. YOU have degraded this thread worse than anybody by calling hundreds and I do mean HUNDREDS of forumites that I have done business with since the inception of this forum, "idiots". Of course name calling is always what these situations revert to and especially from the ones that are so "shocked" by them. Too bad you had to make it "sorrier".

My comment on "are we becoming liberals" is just that, a comment and MY opinion. That is what THIS forum is for! I don't want anyone MANDATING to me what my selling or buying parameters should be. I want my CHARACTER to do it for me. If Spark decides to do so, then I'll decide if it's right for me or not. My record here speaks for itself and I don't need you to try and tarnish it.

You BETTER be vigilant when dealing with someone you only know from text. That's ANOTHER reason for this forum. Ask questions! Post a thread asking if anyone has ever dealt with whomever. This is as honest a bunch of folks there is but not EVERYONE'S going to be satisfied ALL the time.

I hope Jerry and Glen work this out and I said so from the outset. Mr. Bugs, I don't need or want your "expert" approval of me or what I say. It looks like your TRUE character has surfaced in such a short time. Yes, PLEASE do not ever get involved in ANY of my business or posts. My time spent on these great forums will CONTINUE to be pleasant without it. Good luck.
 
Well Underdog, if you are an LEO, as I am, the most valuable commodities we possess are our honor, honesty,integrity and reputation. To me, at least, one knife deal is not worth risking them for. Do what you must but, in my humble opinion, you should do whatever it takes to make it right!
 
Bugs, wow, 1700 posts in under 6 months. Do you have a life outside this forum? Not a comment on this thread, just wondering how you find the time to spend so much of it here.
 
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