Beware Md 25V Ripped Me Off!

We don't want to stir up cross forum arguments. A link to the original deal is OK, but please take the time to tell us here what's going on. Don't want people from here going there to participate.
 
Sorry EB,
He deleted the original ad. The rifle had several major issues involving the stock, barrel, and function. I've given up on seeing my money again, but if guys like him get away with ripping people off, they just keep doing it. By the time I was aware of the issues, the ad was gone and he refused to give me his username. When I found the ad posted on another forum under the same username, I knew I had the right guy. I'm not trying to start any forum arguments, but the pics posted in the thread I linked say it all. I'll follow whatever recommendation you have on this, of course.
 
I am the seller. PHM is full of it.
He had the gun for almost a month before letting me know there was an issue and then when he sent me pics it was clear that he dropped it. I have dated email to show all of this if necessary. The pics show a sharp counter clockwise torque at the point of the mount from being dropped. He is claiming that the barrel is tapped off center but refuses to post a picture of the tapped holes with the mount removed. He is threatening going after my facebook page, my youtube channel which he has already been blocked from for spamming, several forums including this one, and anything else he can find by googling my name and user info. He wants me to refund him for a part that he broke after a month and thats not gonna happen. I also have a sworn affidavit from the rangemaster and six of the members stating that five days before shipping the gun they witnessed it shooting clays at 200 yards. He is claiming his pictures tell one story when in reality they tell a different one. I am not responding to him because he is willing to lie to convince people he is right. I have already spoken to a lawyer about suing for libel but as long as he can prove he is just expressing his opinion then he is protected by free speech. There is no way I can win when I am not willing to play as dirty as he is so for now I'm just letting him get it out of his system. This will be my one and only responce as I am not interested in another one of his pissing matches.
 
I'll be posting the pics here as well. They will show, without a doubt, that the defects in the rifle are from poor craftsmanship, not damage from being dropped as Md 25v claims. He claims I bent the scope rail. If the gun had been dropped hard enough to bend the rail mount, there would be a mark left on it. I guess the "damage" he claims also caused the inletting in the stock to be badly offset to one side, so that the gun FTF (fails to fire) ~ 10 rounds? Md 25v has said nothing about the stock, yet the stock manufacturer is replacing it due to the major defect. I stay pretty busy running a vet clinic. It took me a week to get to my dealers to pick it up, and another 11 days to pull it out of my safe and get it to the range. Since that was the case, I offered to pay for return shipping on this, but since Md 25v refused to give me his username after he deleted the ad, he must have thought there would be no consequences. This is the second time he has called his lawyer. The first was right after I contacted him about the issue (I've got the emails, too). His actions give no reason to believe I would have ever seen my money again had I noticed the issues right away. I'll post up the pics later today after I take care of some business. It may help our fellow members here to know I have over 9 years of 100% positive feedback on Gunbroker. I'm posting this info so Md 25v may think twice before he screws someone else.
 
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Hello,
I have not seen or read all the exchanges between the buyer and the seller and have not talked to phm14 at all. I have however shot the rifle in question many times including a week or so before it was sold. The gun has always been extremely accurate and worked flawlessly. In fact the last time I shot groups with it using 36gr CCI it was shooting .5 inch groups at 50 yards.
To me it appears the mount is bent, not saying how or who, just that appears to be the case. I can't speak to the stock as I never noticed it but I imagine it is possible there is a defect. That defect however did not effect the accuracy of the rifle if it is in fact defective.
The barrel is a green mountain barrel from Volquretsen sp? I believe so I find it highly unlikely that it could pass their Quality controls. The barrel was tapped at the factory not by the seller.
The scope on the gun is quite long so I don't feel there would need to be as much impact as PHM says depending on how it fell I think it may be possible to torque the mount without actual visible damage to other components.

I know what I'm saying doesn't do anything to resolve the issue just thought the information could be relevant.
 
Let's start from the beginning. Here's the pic from the original ad:
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Here's another, sitting on the undamaged hard case it was shipped in. When I noticed the issues, I called Md 25v to let him know. He asked for some pictures of the issues, which I sent. I also told him I was headed to my dealers' place (he is also my smith) to pick up another rifle, and I would have him look at the gun. After I emailed Md 25v that my gunsmith had verified the issues and I would like to return the gun, he answered that he was going to speak with his attorney, that all future correspondence should be done by email, and he would get back to me the next day. A couple of days later, he starts in with the excuses about how great the gun shot, and that it was damaged after he shipped it.
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I found it interesting that while Md 25v was claiming damage, he never asked for any pics of the optic, the box or the hard case. None of theses items were in the pics I sent him. This rail look bent to you? A straight edge doesn't think so, either.
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It just occurred to me that this thread is really boosting my post count. Couple more of the rail.
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Let's pretend for a second that the rail was right when Md 25v sent it. How 'bout that stock? If it weren't for the fact that the manufacturer is doing the right thing by replacing it, its' only value would be firewood or recycling.
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Md 25V,

I have no dog in this fight but it appears that the scope was mounting incorrectly. You say that was caused by him dropping it?
By reading the other boards comments, they seem to agree with the OP.

Good luck!!
 
Like I said I can't speak to the stock as I never noticed. I can see the issue PHM is talking about however I know the rifle shot well.
As for the mount problem I want to make sure everyone knows what they are looking at. When you look at the pictures you see 3 screws. However only two of the screws actually hold the mount to the barrel (the first two screws closest together). (Picture #1 post #11) The third screw just keeps tension on the back end of the mount and does not actually screw into the receiver.
When you look at the picture in post #12 picture #2 It appears the mount is twisted as it is not level with the top of the receiver. (Remember the screw there is only laying on the receiver not tapped in).
PHM, Could you remove the mount, place the mount on a table upside down and post pictures taken straight on from each side. This will show us if that mount is indeed the problem.
Thanks.
 
We still don't have a coherent story here.

phm14, start at the beginning and tell us what's wrong with the gun. "several major issues involving the stock, barrel, and function" is not specific enough.

Once we understand what's wrong with the gun we can get into issues like how long it took you to ask for a refund and whether the gun was damaged before, during, or after shipping.
 
Apologies for any confusion, CA. I was assuming the pics were self explanatory. According to the best assessment of my gunsmith, and myself, the taps pn the barrel for the scope rail were not drilled in the proper location, causing the mount to cant off center. The stock was also inletted badly off center, causing the barreled action to cant to one side, and the magazines to hang up instead of dropping free when the mag release is pressed. The stock inletting also causes the forearm to bind into one side of the barrel, whereas the design is supposed to free float the barrel. This binding is also the likely cause of the FTF (failure to fire) ~ every 10-12 rounds. The offset in the inletting is easily demonstrated my counting the layers of laminate on either side of the magwell. The gun was at my dealers for ~ 7 days before I picked it up, and spent another 12 days in my safe before I took it to the range where the problems became apparent. Realizing that I should have noticed the issues immediately, I offered to pay return shipping on top of eating my transfer fee. Instead of working with me on a solution, Md 25v immediately mentioned his lawyer, then proceeded to call me a liar. I continued to be professional, but did let him know that he would be exposed in order to warn the online community about his dishonest practices. Before the deal went south , I had asked him for his username so I could leave positive feedback on the forum. After it went bad and he had deleted the ad, he still refused to give his username, and informed me that any future emails from me would go to his spam folder. I can only assume that since most forums prohibit the posting of personal info, Md 25v assumed that he wouldn't suffer any consequences since I didn't have his username. Md 25v has claimed I bent the mount, and the pics show that the mount is not bent. He has never addressed the stock issue, instead he blocked my emails. I discovered his username yesterday, and began to make good on my word. I think the real question is whether Md 25v is the type of seller we want on our forums.
 
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Sure, anything for a good cause.
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Are these clear enough?
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From either end as well please. Level was a nice touch. While you got the mount off maybe a shot of the holes for the mount on the barrel? Similar to pic 1 post 11 but without the mount?
 
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