BEWARE of mossyhorn

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Tony Nguyen

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Let me preface this by saying that I know mossyhorn has a lot of positive feedback. I know that. But the way he treated me is unforgivable. I have had 10-12 smooth transactions on this forum and mossyhorn was the first time I ever had a problem. I'm a good guy to deal with, if you ask the people who left me feedback, and mossyhorn treated me like a lying piece of crap that didn't deserve to have a transaction with him.

So I had a deal going with Mossyhorn on the exchange for a gransfors bruks hatchet.

I told him that I was transferring money into my paypal to pay for it and it might be a couple days before I sent payment.

He did not send anything back which in my book means that he was satisfied with the deal. Then sometime last night he sends an email asking if I still want it. I tell him that I do and the paypal transfer will take another day or so at the most.

He responded with something along the lines of, "most paypal accounts transfer money automatically."

I responded with something along the lines of "Sorry, I am new to paypal and did not know one could do that. My apologies"

His next response was, "Forget it Tony. The deal is off." This was sent at 12:58 am.

He marked the axe sold at 2:29 am.

So basically, I told him payment was coming, the transfer was on its way, and I had the first I'll take it on the post, and he still sold it to the guy who had seconds.

I for one think that it's bull. He treated me like a liar and I despise him for it. In my dealings with him he was a dishonest seller and I believe people like him should not be able to do business on the forums.

Tony
 
By the way guys, what is the best way to post an email correspondence so you can see what mossyhorn did?

For now, I uploaded the print screens to Flickr and this is the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58729157@N04/5790521497/

I know it is small currently and I am finding a way to make it work.

Or you can post your email and I will forward you the entire email correspondence.
 
Sooo, you think that it is HIS fault that YOU failed to conclude the transaction? I'm also not sure what he did that was dishonest; it seems that he was upfront about his intentions and told you that he was rescinding the deal. I wouldn't have bought your bs story about PayPal, either. Time to grow up and move on before people decide that they don't want to deal with YOU.
 
Just for the record, Paypal does sometimes "hold" funds for a few days. I recently got a refund from an Ebay purchase, that PayPal would not let me use for 3 days until the transfer cleared the other bank.

I'm not sure there's any real beef here though since money never changed hands, it's more like just no "meeting of minds" on wait times.
 
Mossyhorn has been selling a lot of his gear lately. I believe that he had some sort of accident and is using the money to pay for life's expenses. When doing deals here on the forums, you say I'll take it and get it paid for within 12 hours. Then it same rule applies to the seller, they get paid and have it shipped out with in 12 hours. If funds are not available right away, I too would have a concern about the way you held up your end and go to the next person. Just my opinion , but Mossyhorn has been a stand up guy in all of the transactions here on the forums.
 
Any seller has the right to refuse sale for any reason they see fit. I can see why you might be a bit unhappy about missing out on the hatchet you wanted but IMO you are over reacting. No money was sent and no item was shipped, really there is no harm done as far as I can see. It's not that big a deal and I'm sure you can find the item you want else where.
 
Mossyhorn is a great guy and has been honest with me in my transactions with him. It is the buyers responsibility to pay quickly. In my book if there are other people in line that want it and will pay faster, then they will get it. Thats just how it is.
 
You should ask if he is willing to wait before you commit to buy something.

If you do not have the funds ready to go, then it is up to the Seller whether he/she wants to wait. Delays that you experience from Paypal in clearing money that you have transferred is not his problem.

When I buy something here, I already have the funds ready to go.

You shouldn't be trying to harm Mossyhorn's reputation here. He hasn't done anything to harm yours.
 
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I guess for all the people saying you have to pay quickly, if I had chosen MO he would be waiting longer. So waiting for Paypal was more "prompt" which is what the official exchange rules say.

I don't dispute that he is not allowed to sell whenever he wants. I am just wondering why he chose to sell when he knew it would be a day or two in our email correspondence. He got the email and didn't send anything back that said "hey I can't wait for funds."

Also, for those who thinks he is a standup guy or that I am over reacting, I prefaced my post knowing he was usually a good guy. I am just saying that I personally had an issue with him.
 
An "ill take it" should only be posted if funds are ready to be transfered immediately. Unless you have an other arrangement that you both agree upon. When I put something up for sale I usually want funds ASAP. You can't expect him to hold the item because your having paypal problems.
 
DD214, read the rules of the exchange before posting I see you have 3 posts and one of them is here. I sent an email with the terms of my payment or "the agreement" stating the funds would be transferred in a few days. It took him 2 days to decide that he didn't feel like waiting for one more day to renege. I'm just saying I feel a little jipped.
 
Everyone is saying an I'll take it means immediate funds, it does not say that in any of the forums rules. I am misreading?
 
Tony Nguyen said:
DD124, read the rules of the exchange before posting I see you have 3 posts and one of them is here. I sent an email with the terms of my payment or "the agreement" stating the funds would be transferred in a few days. It took him 2 days to decide that he didn't feel like waiting for one more day to renege. I'm just saying I feel a little jipped.
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You may be upset because you didn't get the hatchet, but he did not cheat or harm you. He just didn't want to wait anymore and there was probably a back-up buyer with cash in hand.

The purpose of BGU is not to let off steam, but to report and document dishonest dealings.

Your experience does not fall into the dishonest/cheated category. By posting as you did, you are only harming your own reputation.
 
The forum description says experiences. This is my experience with mossyhorn. My reputation, while not immaterial, matters less to me than informing other members of his business style. So far on the forums I have a good reputation. I suppose I just wish to inform others that if you deal with mossyhorn, make payment instantaneously or you will lose the item to another.
 
Tony, seems pretty reasonable on his part, not an "unforgivable" way of treating you. Sounds like you are disappointed that you missed out on the purchase, but the seller does not have a responsibility to wait a (potentially) indefinite amount of time to receive funds. Try that at a retail store? So it seems a bit over the top that you would come on and post such an over the top public condemnation of someone over such a reasonable correspondence between you and the seller. Think before you click submit.

Unless you are leaving out the "unforgivable" part of your discourse.
 
It is the fact that I told him it would be 2-3 days in an email and he never responded until 2 days later. In most circumstances that would probably mean he had no issues with the deal (due to the wide scope of email technology i.e. everyone has access to their email pretty much all day). Can you see how I'd be confused about that?

Personally unforgivable does not mean universally. Just because I feel that, in no way am I telling you what to believe. This is my opinion and I am entitled as everyone else is entitled to theirs.
 
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Mossyhorn has been selling a lot of his gear lately. I believe that he had some sort of accident and is using the money to pay for life's expenses. When doing deals here on the forums, you say I'll take it and get it paid for within 12 hours. Then it same rule applies to the seller, they get paid and have it shipped out with in 12 hours. If funds are not available right away, I too would have a concern about the way you held up your end and go to the next person. Just my opinion , but Mossyhorn has been a stand up guy in all of the transactions here on the forums.
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What world are you living in? 12 hours? What if the seller is sending a MO? 12 hours? I've done thousands of deals here and on ebay and I don't think ONE of them was shipped in 12 hours. 24 to 36 hours is still really fast but more reasonable. I don't have a problem with someone taking a day or two to ship, things happen, people work, it may be hard to get to the PO because of your work schedule, etc.
 
When I walk into a store and say "I'll take it", I hand my money/CC to the clerk and the clerk hands me my purchase.

If you walk into a store and your debit card (paypal transaction) doesn't clear, the clerk doesn't hand you anything. Maybe you go back after 3 days when you have money tied to your debit card, but the clerk says "I already sold it", can you really blame the store or clerk?

That's what you are trying to do here.

Like I already posted, this does more to harm your reputation than that of mossy. You may not be aware of this, but there are members here making mental notes never to sell to you.
 
This is not a store. Stores have contracts written in their policies. Mossy was aware of the delay of funds if you bothered to read the email correspondence.

There is no time limit on transactions on BF. Comparing it to a store is a strange and mostly incorrect allegory because the policies of blade forums are written in such a way that states the people making the deal make the contract. While a store's contracts are very strict, BF allows its members to conduct business in a way that they see fit. Mossy never said he couldn't wait by email or by post when he knew that he would have to by my email. So at the very least the was a lack of communication on his part.

I am aware there are members who won't sell to me, but there are those who know I am honest. Also there are about 100,000 other members who would seeing as my feedback is all positive.
 
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