He may be guilty of bad communication but you called him a "dishonest seller." I'm not seeing any dishonestly. You're acting like a spoiled child that is now throwing a temper tantrum after not getting their own way. You're not out any money...move on.
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He may be guilty of bad communication but you called him a "dishonest seller." I'm not seeing any dishonestly. You're acting like a spoiled child that is now throwing a temper tantrum after not getting their own way. You're not out any money...move on.
There will be another hatchet down the line.
I have had the experience of being the first posting "I'll take it" on a few different knives and the seller hasn't even acknowledged it and sold to the next buyer.
I just don't let it bother me & move on. Also it does help to have the funds ready to go at the time of saying you will take it.
I have had the experience of being the first posting "I'll take it" on a few different knives and the seller hasn't even acknowledged it and sold to the next buyer.
I just don't let it bother me & move on. Also it does help to have the funds ready to go at the time of saying you will take it.
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What does this statement mean? It means you didn't have the cash when you said you'd take it. You do not get to tell the seller you don't have the cash immediately available, you ask if they mind waiting for payment.
Tony it really is this simple. Don't say I'll take it in a thread unless you can pay.
Mossyhorn is good in my book and I'll deal with him again without any apprehensions.
I see no reason for this thread to have been opened. Don't post "I'll take it" before you find out if your delay of payment is ok with the seller.
Claiming he is dishonest was uncalled for and you should apologize to him openly here in this thread.
Man up and bite the bullet.
I see no reason for this thread to have been opened. Don't post "I'll take it" before you find out if your delay of payment is ok with the seller.
Claiming he is dishonest was uncalled for and you should apologize to him openly here in this thread.
Man up and bite the bullet.
No response does not make an implied contract. In fact, lack of response can be taken as a refusal to acknowledge.
You never had a deal for the hatchet. You jumped the gun on something you couldn't pay for, and are now whining like a spoiled child because you didn't
get your way.
Get over it already, before you permanently damage your standing here.
added: Here's some additional reading for you:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/261779-***-Suggestions-for-having-a-good-Buying-Selling-Trading-experience
*** Suggestions for having a good Buying / Selling / Trading experience
1. Make sure you spell out the terms of the deal before the purchase. Don't assume anything is covered - spell it out in detail.
3. Be prompt in payment & shipping. DURRRR. Nobody likes a deadbeat or slacker. If you need additional time for whatever reason, be up front about it - but don't make the other guy chase after you.
There are 10 suggestions, but number 1 & 3 should be enough to start with.
You never had a deal for the hatchet. You jumped the gun on something you couldn't pay for, and are now whining like a spoiled child because you didn't
get your way.
Get over it already, before you permanently damage your standing here.
added: Here's some additional reading for you:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/261779-***-Suggestions-for-having-a-good-Buying-Selling-Trading-experience
*** Suggestions for having a good Buying / Selling / Trading experience
1. Make sure you spell out the terms of the deal before the purchase. Don't assume anything is covered - spell it out in detail.
3. Be prompt in payment & shipping. DURRRR. Nobody likes a deadbeat or slacker. If you need additional time for whatever reason, be up front about it - but don't make the other guy chase after you.
There are 10 suggestions, but number 1 & 3 should be enough to start with.
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If you think that sending him "an email with the terms of my payment or "the agreement" stating the funds would be transferred in a few days" is somehow binding on the seller or that it somehow justifies your actions here in this forum, life is going to be very difficult for you. I'm not sure what your implication is regarding the number of post that I have on this forum, so I won't comment further.
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This thread is only here for other people's information. I'm over the axe. Found a gransfors for 63 dollars from a fellow I've done business with before and I bought that.
Maybe dishonest is a strong word and lack of communication is better. Things always seem to get lost in translation over the internet.
I apologize Mossyhorn, I am sorry that I did not understand that you wanted money immediately and had I known I would have never posted. My fault. I'll be sure to only use MO in the future.
Maybe dishonest is a strong word and lack of communication is better. Things always seem to get lost in translation over the internet.
I apologize Mossyhorn, I am sorry that I did not understand that you wanted money immediately and had I known I would have never posted. My fault. I'll be sure to only use MO in the future.
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What's the difference, is the seller going to spend all the money before he even ships the item? Then what happens when the Buyer isn't happy and wants a refund, can the seller provide an instant refund?
The key to a good deal is communication. I hate Paypal and prefer to send a MO. If I sell I also prefer a MO or check and always hold onto sufficient funds for a refund until the buyer says he is happy.
Sounds like the seller needed instant funds and could not wait, so is the seller's choice.................................
The key to a good deal is communication. I hate Paypal and prefer to send a MO. If I sell I also prefer a MO or check and always hold onto sufficient funds for a refund until the buyer says he is happy.
Sounds like the seller needed instant funds and could not wait, so is the seller's choice.................................
Wow.You really know how to spin a yarn and all the vitriol in the emails that you sent me portray a child mentality. First you post I'll take it. Then you post about what kind of payment I prefer. You then send emails about waiting a couple of days until the funds are in your paypal account. A couple of days past and then it's a few more days. It was obvious to me that you didn't have the money and had to wait until you got paid. If you would have asked me to hold it for a week I may have. I've held items for several people on the forum. But all you did was waist my time. My record speaks for itself. Your last sentence sums up what you're all about. I know why other members won't sell to you. I didn't respond to your childish emails and I won't respond to you again either. You're just a waist of time.
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Just my opinion but I think if you make an offer to buy something, you should be prepared to make immediate payment. Failing that, don't be surprised when the seller backs out. Sounds to me that he was well whithin his rights.
Again, that's just my opinion.
Again, that's just my opinion.
I've got no steaks on this grill, however I'll share what I feel to be a good thing to do (impartially without placing culpability):
When I sell some of my stuff here, I post my terms clearly. I have learned to be crystal clear about what is expected. I give the option of money order or paypal, and I do feel it is the buyers responsiblity to post a clear "I'll take It" in my thread, and if they use paypal, I expect to receive payment within 24 hours unless another arrangement is reached and agreed to by the other person (again stated clearly in my exchange threads). I can ship out the knife the next day or that same day provided the USPS office is open for business. I've had people pay me within minutes literally of me sending my paypal address, and they even offered to pickup or split fees. Amazing.
When I buy stuff on here, I always abide by the sellers terms. If I am unclear, I always ask via email. I try my best to give ev eryone the benefit of the doubt, until I have sufficient reason not to. I've asked for someone to hold something for me "until payday", if the answer is yes, awesome. If the answer is no, then that is just the way it is. If I have any doubt about how a seller will treat me, I pass on the deal. It's just not worth it to get pissed off over. Sometimes things (like this thread cannot be undone and there is some amount of damage to be absorbed. These threads should be last resort options, personal problems are one thing that need to be handled in private or on another forum.
That is something I've started stating anytime I offload gear I don't want or use. Not everyone takes the time to write out their expectations though, that is the bad part. Not everyone can pick up on the "unwritten rules" that quickly, proper decorum takes time.
True, many people do not like paypal. It's their right. I am willing to wait 3-4 days for a money order (if that is being agreed upon). I do not recall having any transactions with him, but as you know positive feedback doesn't just appear on it's own. Not making excuses for anyone but, if he does have personal issues then that is something that on him and no one's business. I respect a person that wants to keep his personal things personal. Clear communication in a timely manner is the key. I've had people make me wait 3 days for an email. It made me wonder, but that is how it is.
The bottom line is that we should be clear about what is expected and if we are new to something, it is our own responsibility to ask questions and get clarification. There are some really good people that sell and trade gear on here, if they get blasted enough, they will change their view on the way they should conduct the transactions and then everyone bears the load of that. :thumbdn:
When I sell some of my stuff here, I post my terms clearly. I have learned to be crystal clear about what is expected. I give the option of money order or paypal, and I do feel it is the buyers responsiblity to post a clear "I'll take It" in my thread, and if they use paypal, I expect to receive payment within 24 hours unless another arrangement is reached and agreed to by the other person (again stated clearly in my exchange threads). I can ship out the knife the next day or that same day provided the USPS office is open for business. I've had people pay me within minutes literally of me sending my paypal address, and they even offered to pickup or split fees. Amazing.
When I buy stuff on here, I always abide by the sellers terms. If I am unclear, I always ask via email. I try my best to give ev eryone the benefit of the doubt, until I have sufficient reason not to. I've asked for someone to hold something for me "until payday", if the answer is yes, awesome. If the answer is no, then that is just the way it is. If I have any doubt about how a seller will treat me, I pass on the deal. It's just not worth it to get pissed off over. Sometimes things (like this thread cannot be undone and there is some amount of damage to be absorbed. These threads should be last resort options, personal problems are one thing that need to be handled in private or on another forum.
That is something I've started stating anytime I offload gear I don't want or use. Not everyone takes the time to write out their expectations though, that is the bad part. Not everyone can pick up on the "unwritten rules" that quickly, proper decorum takes time.
True, many people do not like paypal. It's their right. I am willing to wait 3-4 days for a money order (if that is being agreed upon). I do not recall having any transactions with him, but as you know positive feedback doesn't just appear on it's own. Not making excuses for anyone but, if he does have personal issues then that is something that on him and no one's business. I respect a person that wants to keep his personal things personal. Clear communication in a timely manner is the key. I've had people make me wait 3 days for an email. It made me wonder, but that is how it is.
The bottom line is that we should be clear about what is expected and if we are new to something, it is our own responsibility to ask questions and get clarification. There are some really good people that sell and trade gear on here, if they get blasted enough, they will change their view on the way they should conduct the transactions and then everyone bears the load of that. :thumbdn:
I am in no way taking sides in this situation, but I know when I transfer money from my bank account into my Paypal account, it takes between 3-4 business days. I don't know if it works that way with other institutions, but it does with mine!
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Well Mossyhorn, I apologized, instead of berating me you could accept it. Your prerogative though.
Yes MikeyJ that is the option I used. I did it on the 30th of May so It would've been in tomorrow I believe.
EMT_Lee, I thought I was being communicative enough, but I will certainly endeavor to be even more certain with a seller from now on.
Yes MikeyJ that is the option I used. I did it on the 30th of May so It would've been in tomorrow I believe.
EMT_Lee, I thought I was being communicative enough, but I will certainly endeavor to be even more certain with a seller from now on.
I have made 2 purchases in the last 2 weeks from mossyhorn without any issues. I didnt experience anything at all like you are saying. But then again, I said "Ill take it", he accepted, and within 10 minutes he had the money in his account. I would buy from him again without hesitation. After reading through everything here, it seems to me that he just got sick of waiting days for the funds and there is nothing wrong with that. I believe someone called seconds on the axe after you, had I been in the same situation I likely would have done the same thing.
Yep that's true. But the real kicker is business days. When you have a holiday or weekend in between, that can really push it back. Practically speaking, in my experience, transferring money usually clears by the end of the week if you do it on a Monday or Tuesday.
If you link you PP account to your bank account any payments are made instantly from that account. That's the whole point of paypal is it not ? I never have any money sitting in my PP account yet I can pay people instantly from the bank account I use for that.........
You did not apologize, you gave a whiney half-@ss comment that was a set-up for two insults.
Tony, you are really showing your immaturity and lack of character now.
You still don't understand that both parties have to agree for a deal to be made. Mossy didn't respond to you because you didn't have a deal with him.
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