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I don't know either the buyer or seller.
I'm definitely not a Bussee expert, but I have seen similar marks on Busse blades sold as new. And I have to ask if you receieved a knife you thought there was a problem with ... did you contact the seller and try to work it out between you two? It looks like that option was skipped completely?
Usually a deal isn't finished until both parties are happy, but you have to speak to the 2nd party involved in order to try to find a resolution.
I'm definitely not a Bussee expert, but I have seen similar marks on Busse blades sold as new. And I have to ask if you receieved a knife you thought there was a problem with ... did you contact the seller and try to work it out between you two? It looks like that option was skipped completely?
Usually a deal isn't finished until both parties are happy, but you have to speak to the 2nd party involved in order to try to find a resolution.
The only thing uniform is there are two on each cluster. Busse only says machine marks. I've seen plenty of Busses and never had one with blemishes like this. You said it yourself, it's blemished and the fact is he didn't disclose it.
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I've been buying Busse blades for over 15 years and have never seen this.
I already said that he lied to me by not disclosing the blemishes, which the rules of the exchange says he has to do, so I wasn't comfortable sending it back since I paid using FF.
He didn't follow the rules and created a problem by doing so, people should know that so they can be careful with him in the future. Do people not want to know if someone isn't following the rules?
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Jack of All Blades
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You had no problem using F&F at first, you trusted him enough to make good on his end and he did. Why not trust him to refund you? Since you’ve read the rules thoroughly, I’m sure you’ve read Section 2 point 6 and 7 under Buyers/buying.
6. “Malicious Buyers will be permanently banned from the forums. Repeatedly flaking on deals and buying items only to turn around and complain is also not a good idea. Don't waste our time.”
7. “If you must back out of a deal, it is YOUR responsibility to communicate with the other person WHY you are unable to complete the transaction. Make sure this happens BEFORE any money or items have been exchanged. Problems should be attempted to be resolved between the persons involved, before Feedback threads are started.”
6. “Malicious Buyers will be permanently banned from the forums. Repeatedly flaking on deals and buying items only to turn around and complain is also not a good idea. Don't waste our time.”
7. “If you must back out of a deal, it is YOUR responsibility to communicate with the other person WHY you are unable to complete the transaction. Make sure this happens BEFORE any money or items have been exchanged. Problems should be attempted to be resolved between the persons involved, before Feedback threads are started.”
Well let's see, because I hadn't found out he lied to me yet.
Neither of those pertain to me. I didn't flake, I didn't buy it to "just complain." It wasn't my idea to start the feedback thread, a mod told me to.
Crazy how no one defending him is answering the question of they'd be ok with getting a blade that was this heavily blemished without it being disclosed to them WHICH THE RULES SAY YOU HAVE TO DO. You even said it was blemished.
That's what myself and others have said ... he may not have lied ... it's possibly that you just have not seen this before on any blades that have come your way. I know you don't feel that's the case ... but that doesn't mean that it's not.
And you should always try to work the dispute out between the two parties involved before going this route. You could involve a mod or a trusted BF member to be the go between and money and knife be sent through them and when both are receieved just undo the deal and both parties learn and move on. It saves putting it on our much overworked mods to mediate by going this route without trying to resolve it first between buyer and seller.
I'm not saying who is right or wrong here or if anyone is truly "in the wrong" it may just be a misunderstanding. But by the info provided it appears that you've kind of jumped the gun and skipped some steps.
I hope cool heads prevail and you two can work it out and move on.
A mod told me to start this thread... I wouldn't have otherwise. I've got a ton of mental issues from my time in the military and the brain injury I got. This long, drawn out six where people smell blood and want to attack someone to make them more mad drives me insane. That's what I get for trying to warn people to be careful about him I guess. He's got friends I'm sure he's having come in here to take his side. No one, absolutely no one, would be ok getting a $900 blade that's supposedly new that looks like this.
Would you be ok getting a blade with this many blemishes if the seller didn't disclose it to you? No one has answered that yet.
I've never had to ask if there are blemishes on a supposedly new knife. People have always been upfront and honest about it, even if it's factory blemishes. Apparently you have to ask this guy and it's making people mad hearing that.
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I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying I've seen blades with similar appearance sell as new unused, so it might be that the seller didn't lie.
But reguardless of that I believe lots of people jump the gun and skip trying to resolve issues and they do blow up into way more than they need to.
Thank you for your service. I'm sorry for the injury and the problems you have to deal with because of it. And I do hope you two can work it out.
I will answer your question. If I hadn't seen pictures and I didn't know the appearance of a blade and was expecting something else ... I definitely would be thrown off and have a discussion with the seller. If I was so unhappy that I did not want the knife I would expect the seller to refund and make it right, but I'd give him the chance to make it right.
I don't think anyone is saying that's out of line. But just from what I've seen in this thread I'm not sure the situation warrents calling anyone a liar ... I lean more towards there has been a misunderstanding on one and possibly both sides. But I think it could still be resolved without too much hassle.
But reguardless of that I believe lots of people jump the gun and skip trying to resolve issues and they do blow up into way more than they need to.
Thank you for your service. I'm sorry for the injury and the problems you have to deal with because of it. And I do hope you two can work it out.
I will answer your question. If I hadn't seen pictures and I didn't know the appearance of a blade and was expecting something else ... I definitely would be thrown off and have a discussion with the seller. If I was so unhappy that I did not want the knife I would expect the seller to refund and make it right, but I'd give him the chance to make it right.
I don't think anyone is saying that's out of line. But just from what I've seen in this thread I'm not sure the situation warrents calling anyone a liar ... I lean more towards there has been a misunderstanding on one and possibly both sides. But I think it could still be resolved without too much hassle.
If the seller offers to refund your money after he gets the sword back, and fails to do so- it is theft and there are steps to take. You would have legal recourse in that case. Stating you don’t want to return it because you don’t trust him is your decision to be stuck with a sword you are never going to be happy with. Posting a thread stating seller lied to you and such is getting you nowhere.
I don’t know either of you, but I hate seeing members attacking others- there are enough shitty people out there intentionally scamming people daily. It seems to me that the seller was selling in good faith within his knowledge. Why would he risk tarnishing his reputation to do otherwise. Makes no sense to me.
To answer your question about accepting the blade as is…. If I was truly unhappy with a blade I would ask to return it. If the seller offered a refund and you are not willing to return it, that is on you imo.
I understand mental issues and being angry, but nobody is saying anything close to jumping- on, or attacking you- simply stating how it looks.
I hope y’all resolve this and put it behind you.
I don’t know either of you, but I hate seeing members attacking others- there are enough shitty people out there intentionally scamming people daily. It seems to me that the seller was selling in good faith within his knowledge. Why would he risk tarnishing his reputation to do otherwise. Makes no sense to me.
To answer your question about accepting the blade as is…. If I was truly unhappy with a blade I would ask to return it. If the seller offered a refund and you are not willing to return it, that is on you imo.
I understand mental issues and being angry, but nobody is saying anything close to jumping- on, or attacking you- simply stating how it looks.
I hope y’all resolve this and put it behind you.
From our DM -
Dan : It didn't come like that. You let it rust then tried to clean the rust off and pass it off. It was bad enough to start pitting. You lying to me earned you negative feedback
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Didn't disclose there were rust spots and pitting, then lied about it.
Sold me the hognose war sword and didn't tell me there were rust spots that he obviously tried to remove and that there was pitting. Then when I messaged him he said it was like that when he bought it new and he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. Lies.You didn’t call me a liar by omission. You called me a liar because you assumed I did not receive it from the factory like that, that I allowed the sword to rust, I tried to remove it, I tried to pass it off as new, and then lied about. None of that happened. I understand you believe it did, and based your feedback on it, but assure you that is factually inaccurate. Before payment was made, I said to you in our DM, “…Excellent! Thank you. Please claim it in the thread, so we can (hopefully) leave each other positive feedback after…” My intentions have always been positive.
With all sincerity, thank you for your service. It is terrible that you were injured, and still suffer from your injuries to this day. I hope you get the help you need, and deserve.
I get that a mod told you to start this thread. What myself and others are trying to convey is that you jumped the gun when you involved the mods. Communication was not exhausted between us, and we could have worked it out ourselves. Also, I have not contacted any member and asked them to defend me here. I recognize a few of them, but they are not here at my request.
When all is said and done, maybe we can both say, “sorry about the misunderstanding”, virtually shake hands, and move on with our lives. I hold no animosity towards you. I did not try to pull a fast one on you, and I never attacked you. I have only tried to set the record straight, and amicably resolve this situation. The sword is heading back to the mothership, and there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will make you happy. Their customer service is second to none.
Since the mods are now involved, I would like to offer what I consider two reasonable conclusions.
- We publicly apologize to each other and the mods, and request both of our negative feedback is removed.
- Both of our negative feedback remains, and this thread is preserved for future reference.
Where we go from here is up to you, and the mods.
Bigburly912
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You really think thats the case? Im not piling on. I would have accepted the sellers offer for return and been done with it by now.
Good luck sir! Interested to see what Busse says.
John Phillips
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I ask all sellers EVERY SINGLE TIME if there are any marks, scratches, snail trails anywhere on the knife or anything I need to know BEFORE I send payment so the seller. Just learn this life lesson and move on man. The reason I ask this is because I’ve received many knives over the years directly from various makers and there are marks, pits, stains, etc and I want to be very clear what I’m looking for up front what I’m expecting. It was new from the maker and then you called him a liar. Goodbye.
Correct, you gave no description at all and provided one half ass picture.
From the Exchange rules.
“When describing your items, be honest and provide an accurate & detailed description of the item. Don't forget to mention defects, blemishes, new, used, or other problems. When in doubt, be pessimistic with your descriptions. If you have a problem being honest, upfront, and are unable to honor your word then you do not belong here.”
You are the one trying to make the sale, in the future I’d recommend you put more effort into it.
DanR217
Why you would send another member $900 F&F is beyond me.
There are countless threads, banners, etc. warning against this… in the future I would recommend asking for a detailed description and also request more detailed pictures, if the seller is unwilling to do that it’s time to move on.
As far as the blemishes, send the sword back to Busse and let them take care of it… from my own personal experience when it comes to customer service/warranty issues there’s none better at making it right.
OP, you characterized the communications in a way that would support your position that you were wronged. The actual messages show that you acted unreasonably with this seller. Leaving a negative feedback on this guy in lieu of attempting in good faith to resolve this is not cool.
Mick Boardman
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Right now you are realizing that you should have either requested a return or just shipped to Busse like you did and eat the cost/time you complained about. Many looking bad at you for bashing the seller when you didn’t give him a chance to make things right in your eyes.
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