Beware osograndeknives.com

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Hello all,

Although perhaps I may be over-reacting a tad, I still thought I would share my personal experience regarding my attempted purchase at osograndekinves.com.

During the wee hours of the morning (5:00AMish) on Friday, February 18, I found a website (google cache) that listed the Microtech Tachyon on sale for $239.99. The image for the Tachyon even had bold red letters proclaiming "DISCONTINUED ITEM, WE STILL HAVE SOME IN STOCK!". Here I thought "OH BOY! I finally found somewhere that still has them new and in stock!" Seeing as no one else had them in stock, I placed and order immediately. I was even issued a confirmation email stating the contents of my order, including the $9 dollars or so in shipping/handling. I was beaming with the knowledge that I would soon own one of my first balisong knives. How untrue that turned out to be.

That afternoon, I attempted to contact osograndeknives via their listed contact numbers on their website during their displayed business hours so I could confirm the condition of the kinves they were selling. Their phones rung un-answered and and my two messages were left unreturned. Fair enough, perhaps they were extremely busy, or maybe they were understaffed.

When I called again on monday, to inquire about the status of my order, I was blithely told "Oh, we sold out of the Tachyons late last year..." How blissfully WONDERFUL. When I inquired why they hadn't updated their website, and why their system even put the order through, they stated "Oh, sometimes it takes a while for those types of things to update, they should have sent you an email saying they were out of stock..." Even though I was thoroughly ticked off at this point, I politely thanked him and hung up.

At the time of this writing, 10:32PM CST on Monday, February 21st, the item is still listed as in-stock and available for order on their site.

What I fail find reasonable explaination for is this:

- How come when such a popular item like the Tachyon sells out, it takes them ALMOST TWO MONTHS for them to remove that item from their web site? It's not like they have a print catalog that needs addendums sent out, their entire catalog consists of some text based files. With some silly keystrokes and a few clicks of the mouse they could have removed the item. Even if they were too lazy/stubborn to remove the item, they could have at the least added some notes to that page listing the item as sold out.

- How come no one caught the order for the out-of-stock-for-two-months item that popped into the sales queue on that business day on Friday?

- How come no one called me to apologize for the mix-up, or emailed me explaining the situation?

- I underscore the issue once again: HOW COME THE WEB PAGE IS STILL UP!?

Now, some consequences to this situation:

- I will undoubtedly, never again order anything, from osograndeknives.com

- Although others may have had perfectly normal transactions with this vendor, I will strongly reccommend to my friends and colleagues against making a future purchase with this entity.

- Even though all the other re-seller's and community members have no direct affiliation with this retailer, since this was my first sales interaction with the balisong community, it leaves a foul taste in my mouth. I can only hope/assume that I accidentally picked a bad apple to order from. I haven't given up already.

- I am left without my Tachyon :-|

- My fingers are starting to hurt, because I accidentally hit the wrong function key and my entire post was erased a few lines ago.

Again, I offer my apologies to anyone who feels that I am over-reacting, and to any mods who find that this post is in the wrong forum. I did a quick search for "dealer discussions" and came up blank. Please move this post as you deem it necessary.

On a more positive note, I want to thank everyone else in the community thus far for providing so much information regarding the art of the balisong, both in the nature of the knife, and in the techniques. These forums have been absolutely a goldmine of information that I hope to continue to pillage in the future, assuming I don't have any more bad run-ins with deadbeat vendors. Above all, I thank you for listing to my blathering.

Respectfully,
Omikron



Edit:

For future searching purposes, I am adding the different ways this company may be referred to.

Oso Grande Knife and Tool Company
Oso Grande Knife & Tool Company
www.osograndeknives.com
 
Omikron said:
When I called again on monday, to inquire about the status of my order, I was blithely told "Oh, we sold out of the Tachyons late last year..." How blissfully WONDERFUL.

:D You do sarcasm well.

I'd be irritated too. If you hadn't called I wonder how long would it have been until they told you it was out of stock? My experience is that internet stores are really bad about that.

If your business is your website than I think you ought to be better about keeping it up to date.

You know what, though? (I think I got ya here. ;) ) SOMETHING made you call them the next day. :footinmou You KNEW something wasn't quite right. Maybe it came to you in a dream. ;) :D
 
After posting this I did some more searching on Google and Google Groups came up with this lovely gem.

In case the link goes down, here it is for your literary pleasure:

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Stay away from these guys. Made an online purchase of a briefcase for
$75.00 and never recieved it. I have contacted their so called
"Information Line" and left several messages, as they never answer
their phones and do no respond to emails.
In the course of 2 weeks you'd think after calling 4-5 times a day at
different times, someone would answer the phone. This sounds like
someone with an online store run out of a garage or basement with no
staff to handle his/her sales or customer service.


Be warned!!!! You'd be well advised to stay away from them.


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Yes - I totally agree. They SUCK!


I've e-mailed them at least five times this month (to place a pretty large
order!) - but they haven't responded! Have they gone out of business, or
what?
 
fulloflead said:
:D You do sarcasm well.

I'd be irritated too. If you hadn't called I wonder how long would it have been until they told you it was out of stock? My experience is that internet stores are really bad about that.

If your business is your website than I think you ought to be better about keeping it up to date.

You know what, though? (I think I got ya here. ;) ) SOMETHING made you call them the next day. :footinmou You KNEW something wasn't quite right. Maybe it came to you in a dream. ;) :D

Well, I actually assumed that everything was OK. The reasons for calling were twofold:

- What was the serial number on the knife they would be shipping? (I was interested because I read about some possible production issues with earlier models.)

- When would it ship and if it had, what was the tracking number?

Some part of my brain still was wondering if it was really in stock, since their website doesn't seem to track stock counts, but even if it was sold out, I most certainly was NOT expecting to hear "Oh yeah, we sold out of those late last year..."

It it the latter part of the transaction (or lack of) that I find unacceptable. If they had say, run out just recently, perhaps even within the past week, I would probably have forgiven them, but their sheer lack of respect for the customer and wanton disregard for the business process leaves me somewhat.......unsatisfied.
 
I ordered a Fatboy from them a while back. Good price, quick shipping, no problems. So did I have good luck, or did you have bad luck? Can anyone else increase our sample size?
 
Just a thought about why it wasn't updated

It seems like the whole site was build with Frontpage (quick look at meta tags), meaning it was build by hand. By doing so the vendor has to put a big effort in keeping the site up-to-date, and if they have a hard time answering the phone i doubt they have much time to update the website.

Anyways by not using any kind of CMS, which every online shop should use if they have respect for them selves, it is easy to "forget" to remove a sold out item, however this only gives a bad excuse to why it WASN'T' updated and not to why it IS not updated.

So be aware of these "home made" sites ;)
 
Off topic but...

My fingers are starting to hurt, because I accidentally hit the wrong function key and my entire post was erased a few lines ago

God, don't you just hate when that happens? Kind of hard to get a head of steam worked back up... When that has happened to me, I just know that what I lost was much better than what I re-typed...

On topic...

My only exposure to Oso Grande was at the Big Reno Show. They had a large booth and were acting like brick & mortar retailers. Very non-personal. Nothing bad, just all business. They also had a rather large catalog that they passed out there. I think they are a big operation. Some people just are not very good at the people side of the business. They should have certainly made it right for you when you placed an order and it ran through on an item they did not have (and sounds like they can't re-stock.)

My advice is to use some of the local vendors around here that have proven themselves. If you want a particular peice thats not in stock anymore, put a post in the "Wanted" forum. You may be surprised.

Good luck. :cool:
 
I have seen them at the Del Mar "Crossroads of the West" Gun Show.

They are not knife people, they don't want to talk knives at the show, I can tell you that they are not a "huge" operation, but they are in it for the money, not the passion.

Too many good knife people out there, like New Graham to be messin' about with Oso Grande.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I, too, had a bad experience with those guys and would never go back.....

I ordered a knife that a friend had told me they had and that I badly wanted for my collection.....even after going over all the fine details of the knife to be absolutely SURE it was what I was paying for, upon receipt, it was not even close! :mad: I found out another gentleman on these forums ended up with it and I was just SOL.

They scoffed at the idea that I should be refunded shipping/handling on the knife and really got a kick out of me asking them to pay for the return of the wrong item.......real fine gents. :rolleyes:

As to being 'knife people', I don't think they'd know a knife if ya stabbed 'em with one...... :barf:
 
Hey, I've been going through the same hassle looking for a Cold Steel Ozark Hunter, nobody has any, and most companies online have not deleted their listing for it. After emailing every one out there that I have found on my Google searches, I have begun seeing the Ozark Hunter listed as on backorder, even though when I call or email the company for availability, they say that Cold Steel told them that they are not producing it anymore (which is what I was told), even though they still have not deleted the listing from their sites. At first, when I saw a site had the Ozark Hunter listing, I would immediately buy it, and then get an email a week later saying that they didn't take a payment out of my credit card, and that they didn't have the knife. As for your situation, they could care less if they leave the listing up, it creates more traffic to their website. I don't think that it was intentional to leave it up there, but it probably was not top priority. I would be more worried if they took a payment from your credit card, and then told you to wait until it came in. I wouldn't boycott the company, I would just disregard their listing when you are looking for that particular knife.
 
My contention is this:

If the fast-paced nature of doing business on the Internet is overwhelming to you, to the point that you cannot maintain and update your business "storefront" within a reasonable amount of time, then you have not earned the priviledge of taking online orders. Such retailers, by all means, should continue to remain phone-only. The fact that you came into contact with numerous vendors that continue this practice makes me wary.

When a customer places and online order on a system that has the makings of a "shopping cart", it is to be assumed that they can order, and forget it. Their order should arrive in the mail soon. The idea that one should have to call the vendor numerous times after placing the order just to make certain that it went through, is absolutely absurd.

It is a belief of mine that if they cannot be "bothered" with updating such trivial things as online catalogs, then they cannot be bothered with customers either. Such a mentality projects the perception that we are more like annoyances rather than customers.
 
I tried to order that same Tachyon back in September of last year (04) I placed my order put in my CC info and sent it over with a note to please inform me of a tracking # when the knife shipps. After about a week of not hearing from them I Called, The guy on the other end of the line gave me the Ya we sold out of them about a year ago. So since I had sent my CC info over I asked to make sure my CC wasn't charged he replied with an attitude if your ordered item ins't in stock we don't charge you. I wasn't happy and made sure to check my CC bill for the next three months just incase they forgot not to charge me. I wouldn't order from them ever again.
 
Swinger said:
I tried to order that same Tachyon back in September of last year (04) I placed my order put in my CC info and sent it over with a note to please inform me of a tracking # when the knife shipps. After about a week of not hearing from them I Called, The guy on the other end of the line gave me the Ya we sold out of them about a year ago. So since I had sent my CC info over I asked to make sure my CC wasn't charged he replied with an attitude if your ordered item ins't in stock we don't charge you. I wasn't happy and made sure to check my CC bill for the next three months just incase they forgot not to charge me. I wouldn't order from them ever again.

Absolutely amazing.

I cannot comprehend how someone has the gall to purposefully continue to lie to their customers in such a fashion. If what you say is true, then that page has been up for almost TWO YEARS after they've depleted stock of this item. That is absolutely horrendous customer service.
 
i called last year about this time of year, and they stated that they were out of stock. not very good if that page is still up stating they have the Tachyon for sale. u would think that they would get on that and take it down.
:barf:
 
- Even though all the other re-seller's and community members have no direct affiliation with this retailer, since this was my first sales interaction with the balisong community, it leaves a foul taste in my mouth. I can only hope/assume that I accidentally picked a bad apple to order from. I haven't given up already.


Let me add that you didn't have a negative transaction with the Balisong community, You had a negative transaction with a bad online knife retailer. Please don't hold their service against us. There are many fine balisong collectors and retail stores that will do everything and anything to see that you are happy with your transaction.
 
Swinger said:
Let me add that you didn't have a negative transaction with the Balisong community, You had a negative transaction with a bad online knife retailer. Please don't hold their service against us. There are many fine balisong collectors and retail stores that will do everything and anything to see that you are happy with your transaction.

Yes Swinger, I agree wholeheartedly. In this case, my choice of words did not best describe the message I was trying to convey. I was simply saying that since this was my first attempt at purchasing a knife from someone who SEEMED reputable (there have been a few posts regarding successful transactions with them), it let down the trust I had.

Imagine, if you will, that the first time you went to purchase a car you got completely taken advantage of and lied to. How trusting would you be of the next car salesman?

I am not saying that Oso's poor behavior will allow ME to think poorly of the rest of the reputable vendors, I am stating this type of behavior makes the
rest of the community look bad to newcomers.

I will probably be posting this story to several other forums in order deflect any further revenue that might come their way from unsuspecting patrons.
 
I am not saying that Oso's poor behavior will allow ME to think poorly of the rest of the reputable vendors, I am stating this type of behavior makes the

Noted, I wish ya the best in the future. When it comes time to get a bali I'm sure many of us would recomend NGK (New Graham Knives) and EDC Knives :D I have been happy to say the least with both. Might have a bit of trouble finding a Tachyon though they seem to have dried up. Might wish to post a wanted add in the Wanted/Trade/Sale section of this site.
 
Hey, man, its just a knife! They are obviously poor businessmen, you just move on and find someone else. Don't let a knife obsess you (yes it is very hard sometimes). I am currently going nuts looking for this Ozark Hunter, but I don't curse the names of all of the internet vendors who still have the knife listed on their website. Just buy another knife or keep on looking, simple as that. At first, I thought you were just a customer who was peeved he didn't get his knife. Paying this much attention to this company is bad for your health man! AND IT GIVES THEM FREE PUBLICITY!
 
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