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The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is $300 $250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
Order here: https://www.bladeforums.com/help/2024-traditional/ - Order as many as you like, we have plenty.
It's not an exact copy of the Jimmy Lile Original Sly II, mainly because Andy stated that he is not a fan of the Split serrations concept. He believes that the solid serrations are much better and keeps the knife stronger as opposed to the Split ones!!
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Randall Smithsonian Bowies. 11" of 3/8" stock.
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what's up with the handles?!?!?
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Big ass chunks of fossil walrus ivory.
Holy moley. Taking me a a minute to get a grasp on the proportions, being that a stock Randall Smithsonian looks like this
Randall large Sasquatch
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Don
His serrations have no dip on top, so they are not serrations at all: They cannot even strip bark off wood... If you look at your knife it has the top of the teeth all in a single flat top line: This makes the sawback totally useless... Split teeth or not has nothing to do with this...
It is a fine blade design otherwise, but be advised the handle capacity is extremely small. A Lile Mission below mine makes a good reference: It is nice that the handle is knurled below the rope, but the Clifford's handle capacity makes the idea almost pointless: Even small matches have to be cut down...
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I don't know why you feel the need to promote a maker that gave you the runaround for months on end (if not years), with a huge stream of fake excuses... I know hollow handle makers are getting extremely few and far between, but still...
Concerning me, the maker staged auctions on a "certain" famous site, then used numerous phony-sounding delay excuses to make the auction winner wait four weeks, after winning an auction, for a supposedly "existing" knife...
I found another auction winner on Bladesforums to whom he also served, several weeks after he won the "auction", the excuse that he sent the knife to the wrong address, and had to wait for it to be sent back...: That is also the same excuse he used on me, plus numerous others...
He also hid himself under the guise of being his "nephew" to this other auction winner, exactly as he did for me...
Your call if you want to deal with a maker like this...
I also found the knife steel to be poor, but you don't have to assume they are all like this: The leather was indeed excellent, probably among the finest leather sheath design I have seen, but for that you can go straight to Patriot Leather or others that are comparable...
Getting back to the thread's subject, this is a Voorhis 11.25" blade, 22.5 ounces, with Patriot Leather, best performing sawback I have seen. Great knife in 5160 Carbon Steel. I have found this knife will take an edge thinned by REK to 0.020", but not an edge angle inferior to 15 degrees per side (I had one chip plus a smaller minuscule chip), so I opened the edge angle to 15 degrees per side to chop wood, and the edge immediately became rock solid... The Lile in D-2 or 440C will take a slightly thinner angle than 15, but not much: It was down to 10 per side, too low, and so it also took a chip on a big log, but smaller than the Voorhis at 12 per side...: I opened the Lile up to just under 15 and it is fine now...
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For the photo below it should be noted I later did more comparative tests that had them closer in chopping, so don't count out the Lile just yet...: The Voorhis has a spiraled rope under the handle rope that kind of got slightly in the way of hitting as hard as the smoother Lile handle allowed, but the Voorhis did out-perform the Lile slightly, especially the sawback, even though the Lile saw is excellent for a sawback: The Lile saw does about 1.2" notches, while the Voorhis saw did 2" on a 4" diameter...
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My Voorhis sawback is perfectly even, but I have seen some Voorhis sawbacks with slightly uneven teeth, so make sure to check the photos before you commit...
Gaston
This is Not the place to do your grumbling regarding a knifemaker. I encourage you to take your complaints to the proper thread on this forum. Either that or take them to the knifemaker himself. I am sure that Andy will address any concerns that you might have about his knives. ...
...It is not a thread to come here and grumble and complain about a knifemaker.
And it's not one to become Drama or bullying or anything of the sort. I learned the hard way that there is a place on this forum for grumbling and complaining about a knife maker's work and work/ customer ethics. Please go to that part of this forum for complaints and bashing....
But if it is about a knife that you Hate or despise, or about a knifemaker that you have a beef or issue with, then again,.please post those in the proper thread as they are not welcomed here. Thank You
Hey thanks W. Anderson!! I think so too. I've not received it yet but it's on its way to me. It should be here today or tomorrow. And I cannot Wait.
But this pic is just one of a few pics that my friend sent to me when it was almost totally done. Anyway, thanks man!
Actually, unless a mod says otherwise, then I believe Gaston is entirely within his rights to say what he has said.
Calls like that are the mods' call...not the call of the person who opened the thread and wants it to go in a certain way. :thumbup:
I dont think I have ever seen a cooler Randall than that :thumbup:
True, it is just in Gastons typical bad taste, lol
His serrations have no dip on top, so they are not serrations at all: They cannot even strip bark off wood... If you look at your knife it has the top of the teeth all in a single flat top line: This makes the sawback totally useless... Split teeth or not has nothing to do with this...
It is a fine blade design otherwise, but be advised the handle capacity is extremely small. A Lile Mission below mine makes a good reference: It is nice that the handle is knurled below the rope, but the Clifford's handle capacity makes the idea almost pointless: Even small matches have to be cut down...
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I don't know why you feel the need to promote a maker that gave you the runaround for months on end (if not years), with a huge stream of fake excuses... I know hollow handle makers are getting extremely few and far between, but still...
Concerning me, the maker staged auctions on a "certain" famous site, then used numerous phony-sounding delay excuses to make the auction winner wait four weeks, after winning an auction, for a supposedly "existing" knife...
I found another auction winner on Bladesforums to whom he also served, several weeks after he won the "auction", the excuse that he sent the knife to the wrong address, and had to wait for it to be sent back...: That is also the same excuse he used on me, plus numerous others...
He also hid himself under the guise of being his "nephew" to this other auction winner, exactly as he did for me...
Your call if you want to deal with a maker like this...
I also found the knife steel to be poor, but you don't have to assume they are all like this: The leather was indeed excellent, probably among the finest leather sheath design I have seen, but for that you can go straight to Patriot Leather or others that are comparable...
Getting back to the thread's subject, this is a Voorhis 11.25" blade, 22.5 ounces, with Patriot Leather, best performing sawback I have seen. Great knife in 5160 Carbon Steel. I have found this knife will take an edge thinned by REK to 0.020", but not an edge angle inferior to 15 degrees per side (I had one chip plus a smaller minuscule chip), so I opened the edge angle to 15 degrees per side to chop wood, and the edge immediately became rock solid... The Lile in D-2 or 440C will take a slightly thinner angle than 15, but not much: It was down to 10 per side, too low, and so it also took a chip on a big log, but smaller than the Voorhis at 12 per side...: I opened the Lile up to just under 15 and it is fine now...
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For the photo below it should be noted I later did more comparative tests that had them closer in chopping, so don't count out the Lile just yet...: The Voorhis has a spiraled rope under the handle rope that kind of got slightly in the way of hitting as hard as the smoother Lile handle allowed, but the Voorhis did out-perform the Lile slightly, especially the sawback, even though the Lile saw is excellent for a sawback: The Lile saw does about 1.2" notches, while the Voorhis saw did 2" on a 4" diameter...
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My Voorhis sawback is perfectly even, but I have seen some Voorhis sawbacks with slightly uneven teeth, so make sure to check the photos before you commit...
Gaston