Big brother is watching me...

Well Stitch, you're on the road now. It's only when enough citizens get good and pissed off that change happens. They guys at the Boston Tea Party weren't there to pull a prank. They felt like you do, only multiplied by a factor of ten. I am not advocating the employment of violence, but if you're pissed enough, have you considered getting up a petition? How about demanding to see your file? When they refuse are you willing to employ legal coulnsel and take action? How pissed are you? That also goes for the rest of us. Freedom is not free. The price is eternal vigilence. I could go on for a long time, but I'll shut up now.
Bob
 
Originally posted by shootist16
If the private property is open to the public there is no expectation of privacy.
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Of course. But that doesn't mean that LEOs can do anything they please. If the police don't have a valid, investigative, interest in the knife show, they have no damn business examining the video footage.
 
WilyD: You are absolutely right. The police should not be keeping tabs on you for engaging in a legal activity.

"Why does killing a defenseless animal make some men feel big ?"

So why are you questioning my motives for participating in an equally legal activity? Is freedom from interference and a presumption of innocence only for those activities that you agree with? Why is it any more of your business as to the reasons I hunt than it is the business of your police as to why you would buy a knife?

No doubt some people have ego problems that are addressed by shooting
more, bigger, etc. than the next guy. They are far outnumbered by those of use who do it because it is part of our family background and heritage, because it is an inherent part of our human nature, or just because the darn things taste good. All of these are perfectly valid reasons. And if hunting makes some poor soul feel better about himself, why I suppose that is valid also.

Around here, if I went out in the woods and roamed around in the cold and rain for extended periods of time and claimed to be enjoying it,
eveyone would say, "look at that damn fool!" But if I am hunting, then everything is satisfactorily explained. That in itself is good enough for me. Plus, I might get to shoot something.
 
"Consider this a badge of honor.

I went to a biker funeral once and saw unmarked cars snapping pictures. Turns out they were FBI agents.

I had nothing to be afraid of, so I went to the edge of the tarmac, stood on my tiptoes, gave them a big grin and waved like a fool. They laughed and snapped my picture.

Twenty years later I lifted weights with an FBI agent and told him the story.

He tells me it makes my 'file' look ridiculous."





Hmmm,I would have some concerns about this twenty years later.What are the legal implications on the agency keeping "files" on people that have not committed any crimes or not a subject of an on going investigation. I was just curious if you hadn't done anything why would there still be a file on you? I would be very upset about an agency keeping personal info about me and pictures of me.Granted the picture pose is a funny detail of the story,but never the less the whole idea they still had a file would really piss me off.
 
EVERY citizen (in the US at least, most other counties have similar methods of control)is profiled via "Choice point" (credit card verification, voter roles, FBI files Etc.) and other NSA, or DARPA / Homeland Security Agency projects.
 
If I were you, I'd take a more direct approach to the problem.

Can you talk or write to the police and express your concern ? You mentioned a local station where your mum works ??

Tell them that you have nothing to hide and that you are not involved in any illegal activity. Perhaps you could bring in the knives you own as well as a copy of the law so you can demonstrate that you have done nothing wrong.

These days I'm living in a small town, so here it would just be a matter of speaking to the local police and clearing up any misunderstandings.
 
Originally posted by TOMBSTONE
"Consider this a badge of honor.

I went to a biker funeral once and saw unmarked cars snapping pictures. Turns out they were FBI agents.

I had nothing to be afraid of, so I went to the edge of the tarmac, stood on my tiptoes, gave them a big grin and waved like a fool. They laughed and snapped my picture.

Twenty years later I lifted weights with an FBI agent and told him the story.

He tells me it makes my 'file' look ridiculous."





Hmmm,I would have some concerns about this twenty years later.What are the legal implications on the agency keeping "files" on people that have not committed any crimes or not a subject of an on going investigation. I was just curious if you hadn't done anything why would there still be a file on you? I would be very upset about an agency keeping personal info about me and pictures of me.Granted the picture pose is a funny detail of the story,but never the less the whole idea they still had a file would really piss me off.
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Knowing a great many in the law enforcement community (I'm a cop also) I would tend to think that the agent was making a joke about having a "file" on The Tourist.
 
It's not knife-related, but my wife and I were sitting in front of the White House with a bunch of the VietNam Veterans Against the War, protesting the war in VietNam. It was the night of June 16, 1972, and we had an unmarked AMC Matador pull up and park on Pennsylvania Avenue, right in front of the White House, not once but twice, and the police out front never asked them to move as they so abruptly ordered anyone else to do. The regulars all alugherd and said to smile for the FBI cameras the first time, so we did. The second time was just after midnight, so it was the early hours of June 17. There were about five of us and perhaps 12 or so visible DC police, Park Police, and Uniformed Secret Service standing around wathching us when the two FBI agents drove up znd parked. This time, they go out and produced a huge Press Graphic camera, the type that Jerry Olsen always used in the old Superman movies and the type that they always used to use to take class pictures in school. You remember them, they had huge 8x10 inch plates that the photographer would put into the back, just like they use on X-Ray machines. At any rate, the FBI agents produced one of these and began to take pictures. I turned to my wife and said, "Happy Fifth Anniversary" and gave her a great big kiss just as they took a picture. So, somewhere in the FBI files, there is a picture of my wife and me, kissing on our fifth wedding anniversary.

But there is more to the story. Just after that, my wife got peeved with the obvious harrassment of us exercising our First Amendment rights and started lecturing the police about there being so many of them there while there were "rapists on the streets and burglars in the homes". It turned out that she was more right than she knew, because at that same moment there were a bunch of "Plumbers" from Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President busy in the Democratic Headquarters offices in the Watergate Hotel while G. Gordon Liddy and James McCord were across the street in the Howard Johnson Motel keeping a lookout for the police. They missed the police when they pulled up because there were no uniformed police available to answer the call from Watergate Security, so they had sent some vice squad guys over in an very unmarked car and in plain clothes. That is how the burglars in the Watergate were caught, beginning the unraveling of Nixon's Presidency. Georgia and I like to think it was because they had so many police watching inoffensive protestors sitting in front of the White House.
 
Mikeh, I've been through the hunting thing in another thread allready but I'll summarize my view on this subject for you. I don't wanna elaborate to much since that is not the point of this thread. OK, I just find it morally wrong to shoot an animal just 'cause you can pay for your expensive guide, trip to afrika etc... I don not feel there is honour in killing something that doesn't have a fair chance of killing you... for a SPORT! You wanna feed your wife and kids ? Fine, go and hunt. You are bored and take your nice state-of the-art gun and blow an animals brain out from a mile away? I have a problem with that. My view and my right to speak it. I just might be as offended by the view of a SPORTS-hunter as they are with mine. Both view have as much right to exist. But I only see flames when I express mine.

to the other people thank you for the support and it's nice to know that at least it's only a couple of sheeple that deem this knife show stake out stuff worthy of their time :)
 
Originally posted by WillyD
OK, I just find it morally wrong to shoot an animal just 'cause you can pay for your expensive guide, trip to afrika etc... I don not feel there is honour in killing something that doesn't have a fair chance of killing you... for a SPORT! You wanna feed your wife and kids ? Fine, go and hunt. You are bored and take your nice state-of the-art gun and blow an animals brain out from a mile away? I have a problem with that. My view and my right to speak it. I just might be as offended by the view of a SPORTS-hunter as they are with mine. Both view have as much right to exist. But I only see flames when I express mine.


Obviously, you have no knowledge of hunting whether it be for sport or food. There aren't many people in this day and age that HAVE to hunt for food. Most people can go down to the local grocery store and buy what they need. But here is some food for thought. Did the cow that supplied the hamburger you just bought have any more of a chance than a deer in the woods? At least the deer (or whatever animal) has a chance to run away. The cows have no chance in a slaughter house. I'm not against eating meat from a slaughter house, but let's look at the world realistically. I hunt for enjoyment but I also eat what I kill. I don't shoot animals from "a mile away" and I don't know any hunter that does. I hunt from close range, generally with a handgun. It doesn't make me feel big, but I do get a sense of satisfaction in going out and providing for myself. The meat is also more healthy than what you buy in the grocery store.

I am sickened by people who may call themselves "hunters" that kill for the sake of killing and don't use any part of the animal that they harvest.

Even animals taken for trophies in Africa don't go to waste. The meat often feeds local villagers.
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The only assurance you have, is that this is Belgium. They are bound to mess up somewhere along the criminal investigation, if it ever gets so far. :)

But more serious: this is -of course- very disturbing. I am wondering how the police ever gold hold of this camera footage. I think that I would get a lawyer to do some investigation. Sounds like a privacy breach to me, considering that owning such knives is not illegal in your country.

All the best,
-Emile
 
According of the info I got from the show organizer he never autorise police officer to use camera inside the show. But he autorize some guy who want to publish pics of the show in some knives forums.
This is the point I beleive that police officer present themself as knives forums members
 
I wish I had tons of money to expose and fry corrupt persons in positions of authority. I think these are the most egregious forms of crimes outside of deviants. It is particularly villanous and vile to abuse the public trust, to ignore, subvert, and pervert the credos that are the foundation of our ability to be great, and to use a shield called patriotism or religion to suffocate those daring to dissent. It makes me think about hunting...

I hunt and fish for fun and food. I bow hunt and fly fish for the added challenge. I don't kill for sport, and I don't serendipitously become one with nature and in tune with harmony. I want to slay those bad boys and put 'em on the fire! I wish cows lived in the woods. Without fish and meat our forefathers would never have had enough protein to grow brains, and The Predator would never have become Gov. of California. And then where would we be. I am not bloodthirsty except when I think about deviants and politicians. I am sometimes pro death, and always openly contemptuous of hypocrisy, even my own. Um, hypocrisy, that is.

Cheers
 
Hey people, lets stick to the original subject please. If you want to hear my views about hunting, please open a thread and I'll be happy to post there. OK? So now please only posts about the knife show thing.
 
There are no expectations of privacy at a public place. While some may not like it, there is no law against it here.
 
I know stump and I understand, but isn't there a better way to spend tax money ?
 
WillyD:

If they had watched the video due to a murder at the show and ID'd the perp, then later arrested him/them from the video evidence, would that be a better way to spend tax dollars?

I used to sit on surveillance for days at a time. Most of it was a waste of resources. The times it wasn't a wasted resource, situations were resolved, caases were solved, people were caught committing felonies and were sent to prison.

You can't say with any certainty that their watching the tape [ and taping it in the first place ] has not led to an arrest of someone based on evidence gathered by the video cameras either that day, since or before the taping where you were observed.

Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men? The shadow knows!!!!!!

Brownie
 
Quite right Brownie, but my prob is: why go through the trouble of identifying me (I live 80 kilometers from there, no way someone could pick me out and say "hey I know that guy") and send it my local police station ? That's somethin else completely then watching the footage, and why watch the footage no crimes or murders were commited there.
 
I'd be prone to watch the footage, if I took the time to film it to begin with.

So no crime was committed at that particular event. The tapes would be a safety net in the event something did happen.

Ever see the cameras in dept stores? They are on and running to be used for future reference as a forethought that something may ocurr, and to which they might then possibly be able to ID a perp from the footage in the aftermath.

A jeweler runs cameras, in the event he is robbed for later use as eveidence. It may mean the difference between catching the twerp or not.

How about this possibility. They have in the past seen that if they had filmed the event they would have possibly been able to ID a suspect, due to something that ocurred which could have been documented.

On the USN, someone stole an SMF Strider off Micks table at a show. The knife is worth almost 600.00 dollars, they are serial numbered as well.

Cameras may have been able to ID the thief, no cameras, no chance of that right?

The answer to your statement that "why go through the trouble of identifying me (I live 80 kilometers from there, no way someone could pick me out and say "hey I know that guy")" is self explanatory.

Someone did recognize you and your mother found out right? Guess someone did spot you, and therein is the point.

The system apparently worked quite well, but not in your favor.

Brownie
 
A non-hunter buying hunting knives. Sounds suspicious to me. Of more interest, though, did the local police start a file over this or did they already have one?
 
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