BK scale project --- Passaround

Very nice pics, Derek. With your permission my friend, I would like to use some of your pics. About the lock nuts, I found out the full standard size has too much tolerance among them and they would not seat flush below the scale's surface at all. So, I searched for the low profile that will seat below the scale's surface and has not too much variance in tolerance. Also, to be safe I enlarged the hex size .005" bigger. That would take care it. These were the 2nd prototype sets after all. I know 1066vik would be a proud owner. Thanks for your review Derek. I'd love to hear all the inputs. Keep 'em coming gentlemen. I really appreciated this forum. Thanks, every one.

I have no problems at all of you using the pics of the BK2. Sheila, I don't want people getting the wrong idea and thinking it is an actual Becker knife. Make sure to right click and view image to get the full size ones.

I did think that maybe it had something to do with the overall depth of the scale. I have seen some low profile nylock nuts, but haven't gotten my hands on any yet. Those might be the way to go, in stainless of course.
 
Well, I've had my opportunity to play with them. I didn't pull out my light box as I can't quite remember where I put the damned thing (it folds up really small, which fortunately/unfortunately makes it tuck really well into corners when not in use) but got some shots all the same. I put them on an old Brute that I've fully convexed and decided to see what they felt like with about twenty minutes of fast-as-I-could-swing chopping.

These first pictures are rather superfluous given prior postings, but the darned things are just pretty and deserve (I feel) to be seen from as many angles and in as many different lights as possible.



Now, off to the woods!! Traveling up the creek bed that is right behind my house...



After an epic journey of more than 50 feet, I come across an impassable oaken barrier!



Moving the impassable barrier (....shut up) to an obliging cutting board/log, I paused for reflection and allowed the barrier to do the same as it looked up at the steely beast which surveyed it with calm resolve.


Ten minutes later (it was dry oak, give a guy a break) it was all over. The barrier will never be able to impede travels again, and the Becker glistens in the evening light--daring other pieces of tree to cross its path.



Okay, the review:
1) As has been said, they're gorgeous.

2) I actually was out for about an hour and a half, but ran out of batteries in my camera (forgot to check before I went) and so just have the first target recorded. In regular cutting work such as planing, slicing, making fuzz sticks, etc. they're actually much more comfortable than I was expecting. The texture of the machined sides really does give something to hold onto even when hands are sweaty, without ever being so sharp or abrasive as to cause discomfort.

3) There's a bit of overhang on my particular Becker tang, but the inside edges of the aluminum scales have just enough of a tiny radius to prevent any discomfort.

4) In impact, they do transfer noticeably higher shock to your hand than the factory composite grips or aftermarket G10, but then again, not having the flared butt on the end, I find that they don't dig into the heel of my hand the way the standard Becker grip does. I've always felt that the Becker grip design was extremely comfortable in almost any use EXCEPT chopping. After having really wailed away with this thing for a bit wearing its aluminum scales, I didn't have the irritated wrist/heel of hand that I associate with almost all Beckers, and would have to call it almost a draw in terms of comfort between the contoured scales from the factory and these.

Suggestions:
1) I noticed upon returning home that the scales were moving ever so slightly if you squeezed them. Although put on with a healthy twist of the wrench, the nuts had worked loose under repeated blade impact and it would be difficult to tighten this up in the field unless you just happened to have the appropriate hex bit with you. The reason for this, of course, is that the aluminum doesn't compress at all under the tension of the bolts as compared to the composite or even G10 grips, and so isn't supplying a constant force against the bolts or nuts to keep them from turning. I'd suggest adding either appropriately sized rubber gaskets or lock washers to the underside of the nuts to keep the things tight. Such could be had for less than a dollar at Lowes or Home Depot, and should entirely eliminate the problem.

2) This is just something to think about: Currently, the scales are flat on the edges out to about 4mm before the radius starts. The feel is good for me, but still a tad on the boxy side, and especially so for those with smaller hands than mine (a couple of women-folk mentioned this). If you haven't, you might experiment with increasing the radius on the grips so that the flat portion is only about 2mm on the edge. Of course, this wider radius would cut into the decorative machining on the sides a tad bit but you'd still have a large area, and the overall feeling might end up being much more of an oval than a rectangle without drastically changing the girth of the grip.

I've got 'em removed, washed off, boxed up and ready to go! Thanks very much for the opportunity of playing with them and congrats on a finely crafted product. :)

Warren H.
 
Well, I've had my opportunity to play with them. I didn't pull out my light box as I can't quite remember where I put the damned thing (it folds up really small, which fortunately/unfortunately makes it tuck really well into corners when not in use) but got some shots all the same. I put them on an old Brute that I've fully convexed and decided to see what they felt like with about twenty minutes of fast-as-I-could-swing chopping.

These first pictures are rather superfluous given prior postings, but the darned things are just pretty and deserve (I feel) to be seen from as many angles and in as many different lights as possible.



Now, off to the woods!! Traveling up the creek bed that is right behind my house...



After an epic journey of more than 50 feet, I come across an impassable oaken barrier!



Moving the impassable barrier (....shut up) to an obliging cutting board/log, I paused for reflection and allowed the barrier to do the same as it looked up at the steely beast which surveyed it with calm resolve.


Ten minutes later (it was dry oak, give a guy a break) it was all over. The barrier will never be able to impede travels again, and the Becker glistens in the evening light--daring other pieces of tree to cross its path.



Okay, the review:
1) As has been said, they're gorgeous.

2) I actually was out for about an hour and a half, but ran out of batteries in my camera (forgot to check before I went) and so just have the first target recorded. In regular cutting work such as planing, slicing, making fuzz sticks, etc. they're actually much more comfortable than I was expecting. The texture of the machined sides really does give something to hold onto even when hands are sweaty, without ever being so sharp or abrasive as to cause discomfort.

3) There's a bit of overhang on my particular Becker tang, but the inside edges of the aluminum scales have just enough of a tiny radius to prevent any discomfort.

4) In impact, they do transfer noticeably higher shock to your hand than the factory composite grips or aftermarket G10, but then again, not having the flared butt on the end, I find that they don't dig into the heel of my hand the way the standard Becker grip does. I've always felt that the Becker grip design was extremely comfortable in almost any use EXCEPT chopping. After having really wailed away with this thing for a bit wearing its aluminum scales, I didn't have the irritated wrist/heel of hand that I associate with almost all Beckers, and would have to call it almost a draw in terms of comfort between the contoured scales from the factory and these.

Suggestions:
1) I noticed upon returning home that the scales were moving ever so slightly if you squeezed them. Although put on with a healthy twist of the wrench, the nuts had worked loose under repeated blade impact and it would be difficult to tighten this up in the field unless you just happened to have the appropriate hex bit with you. The reason for this, of course, is that the aluminum doesn't compress at all under the tension of the bolts as compared to the composite or even G10 grips, and so isn't supplying a constant force against the bolts or nuts to keep them from turning. I'd suggest adding either appropriately sized rubber gaskets or lock washers to the underside of the nuts to keep the things tight. Such could be had for less than a dollar at Lowes or Home Depot, and should entirely eliminate the problem.

2) This is just something to think about: Currently, the scales are flat on the edges out to about 4mm before the radius starts. The feel is good for me, but still a tad on the boxy side, and especially so for those with smaller hands than mine (a couple of women-folk mentioned this). If you haven't, you might experiment with increasing the radius on the grips so that the flat portion is only about 2mm on the edge. Of course, this wider radius would cut into the decorative machining on the sides a tad bit but you'd still have a large area, and the overall feeling might end up being much more of an oval than a rectangle without drastically changing the girth of the grip.

I've got 'em removed, washed off, boxed up and ready to go! Thanks very much for the opportunity of playing with them and congrats on a finely crafted product. :)

Warren H.

That's the kind of review I would expect from you

That will make it harder for the rest of us to write a review worth reading

They should have sent you the grips last

:)
 
Awww, shucks... :D

You know what would REALLY look good on these pure-silver grips? Blood. Anybody left on this list have an animal to butcher?
 
Thank you for your very through review. I really appreciated when you took the time to put the knife in a good use. Very accurate opinion on the scales' radius and the nut problem. Those already corrected with the new run, they now have a 1/4" radius all around and the low profile lock nuts come with the scales. Thank you very much for a nice review and the kind words. I really appreciate it, my friend. Oh, very nice pictures indeed.
 
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That's the kind of review I would expect from you

That will make it harder for the rest of us to write a review worth reading

They should have sent you the grips last

:)

actually - you never sent me your contact info, so I have no way to include you in the passaround -- yet... :D
 
No worries Dr Bill -- when you have time, let me know and I can give you another chance.
Thanks for the head's up!
 
I got the scales in the mail this week. A first glance reveals some excellent CNC work.

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I had a smallish pecan limb down in the front yard, so I put the scales on a BK-9 for some chopping action.

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The BK-9 made pretty short work of the limb, and I found chopping to be quite comfortable with a lanyard.

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For me, the scales felt remarkably familiar. This is because, as some of you know, my Camillus users have the old school micarta on them. Size and shape is very similar.
I have large hands, and I like this scale shape. Otherwise, I wouldn't own so many sets of them. However, I've said before that the Ka-Bar micarta and its more contoured shape is superior. Ethan agrees.

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The scales are shiny. So shiny they can double as a signaling device. Seriously.
I was putting a beam onto my neighbors storage barn about 100 feet away.
Here's a pic of the beam reflected onto his brick wall from a few feet.

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As I've expressed to Sh@rp, I'm not partial to metal scales. I've sold nearly every metal-scaled knife I've owned.
So as a test, I stuck the two knives in the freezer for about 10 minutes.

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As expected, the micarta handles weren't as cold to the touch, and the micarta warmed a lot more quickly.
The alumninum was cold. "Big cold" as my two-year-old would say. And they stayed cold for a lot longer.
I was going to get some infrared pics of the different scales at various intervals, but Moose borrowed my infrared goggles.
Something about a swimming pool and midnight skinny dipping. I didn't ask questions.
At any rate, here are some pictures of a cold knife. You'll have to take my word for it.

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My final answer? Great workmanship. Great product. Comfortable to me, but I do think the radius suggestion above could improve the scales even more. The biggest downside is that the aluminum is simply a medium that conducts cold very easily and would not be suitable for winter work without gloves. I'd really love to see some of these scales in clear lexan. Especially on a skeletonized BK2. That would rock. :thumbup:
 
Bueller? Bueller?
I'm ready to ship the scales to the next passaround recipient.
 
sorry - didn't log on for a couple of days.
sent you a PM with the next contestant's info.
Nice review -- really like the comparison pic with the kabar scales.
 
sorry - didn't log on for a couple of days.
sent you a PM with the next contestant's info.
Nice review -- really like the comparison pic with the kabar scales.

Those are Camillus scales. The Ka-Bar versions are different. Here's another comparison pic: Ka-Bar on top, Camillus on bottom.

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can you do a sxs comparison from the top so I can see the contouring?
or are the kabar scales pretty much identical to the grivory?
 
can you do a sxs comparison from the top so I can see the contouring?
or are the kabar scales pretty much identical to the grivory?

They are different.
The Ka-Bar scales are contoured similar to the Grivory.
The Camillus scales are flatter like the passaround scales.

Ka-Bar on top, Camillus on bottom...

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Ahh...the old Camillus micarta! I'll tell you the truth, I prefer the flatter scales...I'm tempted to buy you all new Kabar ones so you could send me any flats that you have left. :)

For some reason, that shot you got of the reflection does something for me. :D
 
Thanks Guyon for a very informative thoroughly review. And thanks for all the feed back from all reviews gentlemen. I couldn't be making a better scales without them. You guys helped make this passaround so meaningful. Thank you all. Happy July 4!
 
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