Blade-play in top-shelf production knives.

Mr. Glesser, I post in a lot of forums, some posts negative most just informational. I stay away from whine/cheese because it is too negative.

Per other companies, I have a Buck midlock that has no blade play. It was a $8 close out special at ACE. It was too cute and was appropriated by a female in my family. I've got a friend with an AlMar midlock, no blade play. My other lockbacks are not mid-locks but have no blade play, including a Pakistani special, Puma, Frost, American eagle. I also have a G-10 Harpy, Spyderco Mouse, and Matriarch all w/o play. See I know spyderco could make em w/o play. The last spydercos I bought were a Lum and Shabaria. I won't bother to bore you with why they were the last.

Bribe was possibly too strong a word. I certainly would like to live up to your estimation of my character. However, I am fully open to cleaning a slate. You give a little and get a little. When I screw up for a customer, the customer gets something extra next time if they'll let me have a next time. It's called demonstrated improvement, evening the score, good karma, and also, maybe a mitzvah that helps both the giver and receiver.

Since my starmate gave me some of the most pain, for one of your new terzuolas and I'll wipe the slate clean. To live up to your estimation of my character, I'll still post information about spydercos, but by gones will be by gones. I'll won't discuss past negative experiences. I'll take you at your word that those negative experiences reflect a company and products that may no longer exist. I'll just post about how good the new terzuola is and hopefully I'll never need to post about warranty and repair for the new product. Also, as you know we've had discussions about the spyderco philosophy concerning testing materials and knives as weapons not tools, since my thoughts and disappointments concerned the "new company" not marching to the same drummer as the "old company" I'll stop holding your firm to those earlier standards.
 
It seems that my post has caused some heavy discussion.
Well, as I have said in my original post, Spyderco Knives are still my favorite production folders. My initial post was merely an observation about blade-play that some of my Spydercos have had even when NIB, but like I also mentioned in my initial post, the lateral play in Spyderco lockbacks does not bother me in the least. The materials, cutting performance, and engineering that is associated with Spyderco, in my opinion, is second to none. Not a day goes by that I do not have at least two Spydercos on my person, and I frequently add more Spyders to my vast collection whenever finances permit (being a graduate student leaves me financially in a strop at times).
My favorite blade right now happens to be a Red Spyderco Snap-It.
I think that most all folders will display some blade movement, albeit minimal, when enough lateral force is applied to the blade. Perhaps my way of testing for blade play and what I consider "play" are both too strict.
-Mike
 
I find it amusing when Brownshoe makes his ( I'd guess about bi-yearly) attempts to extort free knives out of Spyderco.

Fortunately it's like stealing someones newspaper. No one takes it seriously and they walk away scratching their head trying to figure out ( for about a minute or less) why the guy would put time and effort into what consistantly proves to be a losing cause and each time decides that even more nuisance behavior is needed in their crusade to get what they feel is owed to them.

At times It reminds me of watching a male cardinal fighting his reflection in a mirror in a lost cause attempt to beat his most stubborn opponent. Joe
 
What I would expect from Brownshoe was if he was sent a knife, would then subsequently say (in every single spyderco thread) that "The president of Spyderco bribed me to keep my silence over the secret information that I have".

:rolleyes:
 
DaveH said:
What I would expect from Brownshoe was if he was sent a knife, would then subsequently say (in every single spyderco thread) that "The president of Spyderco bribed me to keep my silence over the secret information that I have".

:rolleyes:
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I think there's no "secret information". Read STR's post no.60 in this thread.
No brand is perfect and no company is "holy".
 
Concerning "blade-play"....

If even the slightest amount of percieved "wiggle" (what some folks call blade-play) is unacceptable, then the only solution seems to be a fixed-blade.

Personally, I'm not that uptight about a slight wiggle in my folders so long as it does not affect the fuction, safety, and reliability of the knife.

And just for the record, I do prefer the Axis-lock over any other lock currently in production, followed by the Ball-bearing-lock and the button-lock.
 
brownshoe said:
Since my starmate gave me some of the most pain, for one of your new terzuolas and I'll wipe the slate clean.
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I suggest Mr. Glesser not do anything like that - given your lousy experience with Spydercos that made you stop purchasing them alltogether would mostlikely only lead to further frustration for you, given that company cannot guarantee that every knife they put out will be to your liking. Just go away and play with your Pakistani special in the corner or something :foot:
 
STR said:
I hope all this typing puts some answers into this otherwise off track discussion. My fingers are tired and I'm done for a while.

STR
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STR,

Once again you have proved to be a valuable source of unbiased and useful information.

Many times when I research about a particular knife on these boards, I hope there is a comment by you within the thread....
 
Thanx for the defense on Brownshoe, appreciate. but...

Mr. Brownshoe and I have been going back and forth for some time now. (Sorry to hijack the thread).

I believe that he believes that I (our company) sold him a bad knife and wouldn't make it good. I believe that this put a burr under his saddle. He's intelligent and knows much about our product line and history, so I must assume there is some truth to his position....while I cannot account for everything crew might do......the buck stops here.

Mr. Brownshoe. Please send me a mailing address (email or PM). There are no "new" Terzuola's. Any that I might have in the archives were made at the same time as the last run, by the same "ex" manufacturing manager.

Our standards haven't changed. It has always been our way to try to make things right. I does take a long time to find a crew that employs "Spyderthink". I think we have, thus far, the best crew we've ever had. I'm sure we're not perfect.

We still make both tools and some weapons (as does most knife companies). Our market base, much of which is government, seeks our "reliable high performance" direction.

I'll see what I can do.

sal
 
Sal, though it sticks in my craw I'll respect your wishes and say no more. I'd say you have an excellent record of showing good judgement ( besides innovation, Quality (grrrr), and wisdom well earned by life) To tell you what I think you should do seems somehow wrong.I'll be in listening mode. As always, with regard, Joe Lewanowicz
 
I thought that spyderco and terzuola were collaborating on a new knife that was on the horizon, that was my concept of the "new terzuola." My wrong.

Hey, I don't want to be an extorionist, and that is what it appears I am, since a gift not freely given is extorted. So forgedaboutit.

Mr. Glesser, my initial comments in this thead were about a company. You responded in a personal manner to my remarks by implying that I am pretty much out in left field. “May I point out that Brownshe is Spyderco's most prolific, consistent, dissenter on the forums, who never misses an opportunity to knock Spyderco.”

As I said before, that wasn’t fair. Maybe you were trying to rally the troops, but either way, you are trying to shut me up, even though everything stated is the truth and not refuted by you (except for some complaints about how hard it is to make mid-locks.). Since silence is golden, I was just trying to give you another avenue to shut me up. One that didn’t involve making me look like a gadfly, one that would have rebuilt some of my customer satisfaction. Including gifts, I bought 16 spydercos between 1997 and 2004, not one since.
 
brownshoe said:
I thought that spyderco and terzuola were collaborating on a new knife that was on the horizon, that was my concept of the "new terzuola." My wrong.

Hey, I don't want to be an extorionist, and that is what it appears I am, since a gift not freely given is extorted. So forgedaboutit.

Mr. Glesser, my initial comments in this thead were about a company. You responded in a personal manner to my remarks by implying that I am pretty much out in left field. “May I point out that Brownshe is Spyderco's most prolific, consistent, dissenter on the forums, who never misses an opportunity to knock Spyderco.”

As I said before, that wasn’t fair. Maybe you were trying to rally the troops, but either way, you are trying to shut me up, even though everything stated is the truth and not refuted by you (except for some complaints about how hard it is to make mid-locks.). Since silence is golden, I was just trying to give you another avenue to shut me up. One that didn’t involve making me look like a gadfly, one that would have rebuilt some of my customer satisfaction. Including gifts, I bought 16 spydercos between 1997 and 2004, not one since.
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It looks to me like Sal is trying to make things right, but you don't want the situation to be resolved.
Talk about "hanging on the cross...":thumbdn:

Let Sal make things right and bury the hatchet once and for all.
This is only an internet forum (albeit the BEST internet forum!), and nobody here really knows who you are, so who cares about appearances?
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Brownshoe,

If you feel that I have been out of line, then I apologise. But It seems to me that when I read your name, I assume a negative post. I'll pay more attention in the future............

.............Besides, I wouldn't want you to......stop posting about Spyderco. You are intelligent, articulate and knowledgeable about our line. I just don't think we can be "all bad"..........

........I would also prefer to be on better terms with you. I really don't wish to argue with you about things that may have happened years ago. Spyderco is a work in progress, we do good things, we also make mistakes and try to improve. When we see something that isn't right, we try to make it right. We have a good reputation world wide...................truce?

Thanx for the defense on Brownshoe, appreciate. but...

Mr. Brownshoe and I have been going back and forth for some time now. (Sorry to hijack the thread).

I believe that he believes that I (our company) sold him a bad knife and wouldn't make it good. I believe that this put a burr under his saddle. He's intelligent and knows much about our product line and history, so I must assume there is some truth to his position....while I cannot account for everything crew might do......the buck stops here.

Mr. Brownshoe. Please send me a mailing address (email or PM). There are no "new" Terzuola's. Any that I might have in the archives were made at the same time as the last run, by the same "ex" manufacturing manager.

Our standards haven't changed. It has always been our way to try to make things right. I does take a long time to find a crew that employs "Spyderthink". I think we have, thus far, the best crew we've ever had. I'm sure we're not perfect.

We still make both tools and some weapons (as does most knife companies). Our market base, much of which is government, seeks our "reliable high performance" direction.

I'll see what I can do.

sal
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Once again, Sal, proves to be ever the gentleman.:thumbup:

This may stick in a few craws here but any intelligent person, including the one here that Sal referred to, should see this offer for what it is. It is time to bury this and move on. No, this does not mean to shut up, but for Pete's sake let go of what happened in the past; read and understand the great information STR laid out, and move forward. As Sal infers, a good company is always learning from any mistakes it makes and is willing to listen to even its most vociferous critics and change as necessary. A good critic knows when he has made his point and is willing to entertain a company's good intent (without the familial management slap) and move forward from there as well. A good critic should also understand the difference between persistent criticism that stimulates and persistent criticism that annoys. Though both be characteristics of the gadfly, one results in an exchange of ideas and faster constructive change without the animus.

Sal has demonstrated he can handle either.......


STR,

Thanks for the detailed and enlightening information. :thumbup:







J
 
I don't really expect "perfection" from Spyderco or any other factory manufacturer; although I have been suprised. Spyderco offers the finest product for the money that can be had in my opinion. I don't expect a $60 Endura to lock up like a $400 Sebenza; you have to look at it from a price/performace standpoint. I've had some issues with a few Spyderco folders, and they made it right.
 
Good thread , i see I'm not the only person with a top shelf production folder with unsatisfactory blade play issues. I bought a Masters of Defense small tactical tanto, that locks up tight with no blade play at all, excellent knife. I was so pleased with this knife I had to have another plunge lock MOD, so I got the MOD ATFK.

This knife has the most blade play of any knife I own, even my 4 dollar Mtech knife locks up better than the atfk.?

I've tried making adjustments to the pivot screw and still have vertical wiggle, it's very dissapointing.

guess I'll send it back, hopefully the issue can be corrected.
 
My Buck 880 was developing some blade play that was rather upsetting to me. I had tightened the pivot pin, but the liner lock wasn't even touching the blade sometimes. After tearing the knife apart, I saw that the blade stop was indented from flicking the knife open. Quarter turn on the blade stop, and everything's cool.
 
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