Blade show 2020

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  1. KingMC

    KingMC The Pun-isher Super Mod Moderator Platinum Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    Yes, it is not allowed here, but you are doing a good job keeping it as non-political as possible, so thank you.

    This post, though, is not keeping it non-political, discussing the virus and the preventative measures taken for said virus are fine but if you delve into governments, politicians, etc. that's too far into the political realm to belong here, there's a separate subforum for that.
     
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  2. Dawkind

    Dawkind Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    With the 'climate' and 'leadership' in Atlanta at this time....I wouldn't go anywhere close to that place let alone stay there for several days....nothing at all to do with the COVID-19.
     
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  3. J. Doyle

    J. Doyle Bladesmith/Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 17, 2008
    The puzzling thing to me is everything thats being said here about covid19 can be said about the flu.....and yet we have seen two VERY different reactions. Doesn't make sense, there must be other things at work underneath.

    And before someone says covid19 is way worse than the flu, I'm not convinced. And according to the most recent news by most sources, its hard on older people but FAR less lethal than originally reported. And according to the latest from the CDC and WHO, there are SO many asymptomatic carriers (hence the insistence on mandatory masks everywhere) than originally thought. That automatically greatly lowers the mortality rate. That's not a debatable opinion....its a mathematical fact.

    But that again leads to one of the biggest issues in the whole deal: people in the lead have been talking out both sides of their mouth. The goal posts have been moved so many times about what the virus is or isn't and what people should or shouldn't do that its hard to know what the truth is.
     
  4. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    John,
    -132 000 American deaths were officially attributed to COVID19 in just 4 months, (no overlap yet with the regular flu season)
    -Around 34 000 deaths were attributed to the flu during the entire 2018-19 flu season, which is about 5 months, (Oct-Feb)
    -as of April 4 of this year, deaths in the US attributed to the flu for 2019-20 flu season is between 24 000 and 62 000

    speculation:
    -the upcoming flu season is going to be a nightmare, with COVID19 compounding hospitalization rates and overloading the system

    The best thing anyone can do right now is to keep themselves and their loved ones healthy and out of the hospital
     
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  5. J. Doyle

    J. Doyle Bladesmith/Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 17, 2008
    I understand that Lorien, but that's not the whole story. I know for a fact from family(my mother) and very close friends in the medical field that hospitals have been given a VERY wide berth as to what constitutes a death from covid19.

    That skews the numbers a significant amount all by itself.

    Couple that with the fact that covid19 is WAY more contagious than the flu (which is the current flavor of the day consensus) and SO many people have it and show no symptoms (per the CDC and WHO) and suddenly we're nearing equal to (or maybe even less??) significant than the flu.

    And to the point that someone couldn't live with themselves if they infected even one person who then died because they promoted or attended a show, then it would be unwise to venture out ever for any reason because the flu can be just as deadly to someone's diabetic grandmother with emphysema.

    I'll probably bow out at this point because I've said my piece and everyone is going to believe what they want and do what they want and thats fine by me.
     
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  6. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
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  7. J. Doyle

    J. Doyle Bladesmith/Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 17, 2008
    And for almost every report you can google, you can just as easily find the opposite from some other 'accredited professional' source. Further....we all know everybody always follows rules and protocol, don't we? ;)

    Things on the ground in hospitals ALWAYS go according to protocol, huh? My mom has been head director of nursing for a LONG time....I'm not just winging it here. I'm sure every place operates a bit different.
     
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  8. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    it's a link to Scientific American, which is a reputable publication, and the article wasn't conclusive, either way. But it does talk about the problem you've identified and provides various doorways to step through wrt further understanding it

    all I'm saying is that anyone can say anything about anything, and there's been some real doozies in this thread already, (not you, John)

    if you want to get to the nut of the matter, you do some research. With respect, John, I'm not going accept one individual's impression of what's going on in a meta sense, based on their regional experience, without looking into research and data put out there by reputable sources whose mission is to approach issues in a meta way

    I'm not trying to be controversial or offensive, and I certainly don't want to upset anyone. It really concerns me how dismissive some are of what's happening right now and what will most likely happen based on the current course being taken.
     
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  9. Aidenag

    Aidenag

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    Apr 16, 2009
    Doyle, just because your mom said it doesn't make it true... i can't fathom that your trying to say its no worse than the flu and THAT is your main reason for stating it. Fyi my mother is a RN, would I listen to her on this? No she's an nurse not a viralogist or epidemiologist. What she has said is she's never in 40 years seen anything like this, and that hospitals in our metro area are at breaking point. But its just the flu right?

    There is literally no credible or peer reviewed source anywhere stating this is no worse than the flu... the fact that even with social distancing and lockdowns were seeing these massive infection, hospitalization and mortality rates in comparison to the flu should make that obviously clear for anyone who can connect 2 dots.. im sorry if I'm coming off rude here, but for Petes sake enough with the 'alternative facts' people.
     
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  10. J. Doyle

    J. Doyle Bladesmith/Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 17, 2008
    Aidenag- likewise, just because you believe everything the media says about this and are terrified of this virus doesn't make you any more right than me. You are offering your opinion....same as me.

    The reason I mentioned my mother was specifically and solely addressing how her facility reports and classifies covid19 deaths....and it most certainly is skewed.

    Unfortunately, the epidemiologists are moving the goal posts too so I don't trust a single word they say.

    Search for Dr. Fauci's take on masks from March 8th on YouTube. I'd post it myself if I knew how.

    So yeah, I'm pretty skeptical about what much of the mainstream media is reporting and I'd be incredibly naive if I thought there wasn't some political bias to all of this.

    The virus is real. Its here to stay (at least for awhile). But shutting the country down is a way worse death sentence than this virus. We are going to have to learn how to live with it. Locked down in our homes, with kids out of school and businesses boarded up is not living. I'd rather die of a virus than live like that.

    With that I'm done. I will not post on this topic further.
     
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  11. betzner

    betzner CenCal Coast Platinum Member

    Jan 23, 2007
    Seems like wherever I look online, the chat evolves into a covid-19 discussion, with two sides arguing, one against the other. How long is it going to take for this thread to return to it's subject, or perhaps those of you who must babble further about this could use the APPROPRIATE venue??
     
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  12. BRTOKC

    BRTOKC

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    Sep 18, 2000
    Getting back to the Blade Show. I guess the main questions are. Do you feel safe going? How are they going to set it up to allow for social distancing of both vendors and attendees? Will they have a limit on how many people can be inside the hall at one time? Will masks be required? And again, would you feel safe attending? Personally, I do not and that is the reason I chose not to attend this year and roll it over to 2021. Too many things we do not know about this right now. If you decide to attend, I wish you luck and hope you stay healthy.
    Brion
     
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  13. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
  14. braillediver

    braillediver Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Logan Pearce Thanks for the thoughtful, detailed insight and explanation.

    At one time people would of been given the opportunity to make the choice on their own. At some point the problems associated with the cure are going to far outweigh the initial problem.

    The only real fact is everyone is using this to promote their own agenda.

     
  15. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
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  16. SharpByCoop

    SharpByCoop Enjoying the discussions Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 8, 2001
    I wish it were better, but it's also getting political. Here's what I just looked up. The GA Mayor and the Governor are at odds:

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    Atlanta is reverting back to Phase I of the City’s five-phase reopening plan, a spokesperson for the Mayor’s office confirmed in an email to What Now Atlanta (WNA) Friday.

    Under Phase 1, Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms is asking citizens to stay at home and for non-essential businesses to temporarily close again with the exception of curbside services.

    Georgia Governor Brian Kemp has fully reopened the state and has made no plans to revisit a lockdown or ask non-essential businesses to close down again, calling Bottoms’ guidelines “confusing” Friday.

    “Mayor Bottoms’ action today is merely guidance—both non-binding and legally unenforceable,” Kemp’s office said in a press release Friday. “As clearly stated in the Governor’s executive order, no local action can be more or less restrictive, and that rule applies statewide. Once again, if the Mayor actually wants to flatten the curve in Atlanta, she should start enforcing state restrictions, which she has failed to do. We ask citizens and businesses alike to comply with the terms of the Governor’s order, which was crafted in conjunction with state public health officials. These common-sense measures will help protect the lives and livelihoods of all Georgians.”

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    The Governor's actions allow for a reopening on July 15th. Cobb Galleria's website states they are opening for shows.

    Sigh.....
     
  17. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    It is Crazy Jim that’s for sure we live in truly strange times

    Hope you and yours are well My friend
     
  18. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
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    Wish you were here (?)
     
  19. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    Back to Blade.

    Political or not, the Blade Show takes a lot of logistics and that window has long since closed. As a collector, I have already made purchases in lew of The Blade Show; Many makers have sold off their Show inventory, and traveling to Atlanta right now is just plain not worth it.

    Whatever they put on now is going to be an embarrassment for the organizers and a dangerous disappointment for the exhibitors and attendees.

    The Blade Show is a lost cause this year. It would be better to salvage the shows reputation then to try to put it on.

    n2s
     
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  20. SharpByCoop

    SharpByCoop Enjoying the discussions Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 8, 2001
    Got it. HA!

    So despite the pundits and negatives, there are those of us who WILL go, for various reasons.

    I will be there serving my clients who attend.

    This said: Who ELSE is going? No need to justify, just say so.
     

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