Blades & Bourbon

I could be triggered by seeing Irish Whiskey here... I'm highly impressionable and need an occasional reminder that some of it is pretty good. ;)
Personally, though, I tend to use Knives and Drinks for Irish, rye, tequila, and non-alcoholic refreshments.

I do too, but it's a wider pond over there. There also seems to be some real whiskey love over here that isn't just confined to bourbon. I feel like a "knives and whiskey" thread would be better but the action is already here.

As far as good, I still remember a time when I only knew the entry-level blended stuff, Jameson, Tullamore Dew, etc. It wasn't bad but I'd long looked past it into the worlds of scotch and bourbon. More recently, I got turned around by single pot stills. This led to a lot of exploration, single malts, the flavor and aroma boundaries between scotch and Irish whiskeys; even that Teeling Single Grain than leans nicely into bourbon territory.

We were very social, tons of local friends, unfortunately few years back I had some medical issues that are preventing me to do the same all the time,

I know what you mean. I've moved a few times over different states in the last decade or so. Other family and friends have moved too. So now I see old people when I can, and make new friends slowly as I go.
 
Koval Single Barrel?
I don't think so hhmoore hhmoore , but I'll look it up. If you like Old Scout, I bet I can get close to what your preferred Rye profile is and do some research about this brand...
I think this s the problem this days - they are so many brands, trying to make it with Bourbon, that it's really hard to get to good, quality stuff,
not to mention a decent price. The trend right now is probably looking for more expensive label, assuming that the name and price are determination of quality.
I personally never shay away from "cheap" Bourbon before I try it... Don't want to pump the post but I can name at least 10 names, sub$25 that are just fine everyday sippers,
if you are not necessarily looking for 7 finishes, and Rye from US and not from Canada. ( 'm not fond of Canadian Rye, I'm sorry)
The nasties Bourbon I tried was Agitator (no pun intended with the name), finished in Cabernet Sauvignon barrels. Still have cramps, thinking about it... 🤮
 
I know what you mean. I've moved a few times over different states in the last decade or so.
😁... Well am not much serious tonight and will try a joke: if we were to compete, we moved from Socialist Bulgaria here in FL far back in 1990,
little bit harder than moving between states... 🤣
But we are not competing here, we are talking about drinking. I will definitely check the Irish stuff from your post, thanks for the pointer!
 
😁... Well am not much serious tonight and will try a joke: if we were to compete, we moved from Socialist Bulgaria here in FL far back in 1990,
little bit harder than moving between states... 🤣
But we are not competing here, we are talking about drinking. I will definitely check the Irish stuff from your post, thanks for the pointer!

As a proud American with ancestors from a neighboring country, we're glad to have you here.

Although only 80 proof, chill-filtered, and colored; Redbreast 12 has a permanent spot in my cabinet for a reason. (Powers John Lane is a good and more natural pot still but even at a better price, I usually get Redbreast instead.) That Teeling Single Grain shows what Ireland can do with corn and is an easy recommendation for bourbon guys. The new Powers Irish Rye could be the best bang for the buck as far as rye goes.
 
I've only tried Powers once, and I'm not sure which one it was (it was in an "Irish pub" in PA we stopped at for lunch). It was very alcohol forward and a little tough to enjoy. (That was a bit of a surprise to me, as most of the Irish whiskeys I've had were pretty mellow.)

If I had to name a favorite, it would probably be Green Spot...but I've probably only tried 6
 
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I don't think I can take your recommendations any longer, my friend. ;)
I can forgive your love of Knob Creek (I do enjoy the single barrel, and the 12 yr is pretty good); but the statement I quoted shows a serious difference in our tastes. I've endured 2 bottles of that Heaven Hill - didn't like the first one but tried it again... partially by accident, partially on the recommendation of another person here...the second was just as hard to swallow.
taste is a funny thing. I like the Heaven Hill 7, but I am a Heaven Hill fan. if you told me I could only get whisky from one distillery, it would probably be Heaven Hill. between the Evan Williams lineup, and Elijah Craig I'd be pretty happy. Throw in some Henry McKenna 10, the Parker versions. lets not forget Rittenhouse for a very affordable and sippable bottled in bond rye. Larceny and Old Fitz. count me in.
I'm not a fan of Knob Creek, I've tried pretty much all of theirs except the 18 year and the maple stuff. I'm not much on flavored stuff, and I'm not spending on an 18 when I don't care for the rest of your lineup. but lots of people do like it, so it is what it is.

I don't think so hhmoore hhmoore ,
I think this s the problem this days - they are so many brands, trying to make it with Bourbon, that it's really hard to get to good, quality stuff,
not to mention a decent price. The trend right now is probably looking for more expensive label, assuming that the name and price are determination of quality.
I personally never shay away from "cheap" Bourbon before I try it... Don't want to pump the post but I can name at least 10 names, sub$25 that are just fine everyday sippers,
if you are not necessarily looking for 7 finishes, and Rye from US and not from Canada. ( 'm not fond of Canadian Rye, I'm sorry)
there is a lot out there, but I dont think its hard to find quality stuff, just need to find stuff that fits your style. I've been lucky to get to Kentucky twice in the last year or so and had the chance to do tastings at about 40 distilleries. Not too mention another 8 to 10 distilleries in or closer to Virginia. A great way to be able to try stuff and not have to spend on a whole bottle or overpriced taste at a restaurant/bar.

I think there is a good bit of truth in people shopping expensive labels, and I think there are a lot of collectors that are just stockpiling this stuff for one reason or another. I've had the chance to taste some high dollar stuff, and most of it has been good, if not great, but I'm not sure any of it worth $250+ per bottle.

There are some younger brands that are putting out some good stuff too, and it will be interesting to see what they can do when they get some years under the barrels.

I've tasted very few that I couldn't find atleast one good thign to say about them.
 
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I don't think I can take your recommendations any longer, my friend. ;)
I can forgive your love of Knob Creek (I do enjoy the single barrel, and the 12 yr is pretty good); but the statement I quoted shows a serious difference in our tastes. I've endured 2 bottles of that Heaven Hill - didn't like the first one but tried it again... partially by accident, partially on the recommendation of another person here...the second was just as hard to swallow.

The bottle about which you inquired is Tumblin Dice. From what I've seen, the single barrel/cask strength (pictured) is typically aged 4-6 years. Distilled in Indiana; so probably LDI or MGP juice.
Never tried it; but both LDI and MGP turn out some stuff I like

bingo! that is a private store bottle from a place called Schumer's in NYC. he does a lot of single barrel picks. Im supposed to stop by for a whistle pig pick. but havent gotten to it.
 
There's a...place...local to me - I'm reluctant to call it a distillery - that puts out some pretty awful bourbon. A friend of mine went on a tour early in their venture and did some sampling. Said the owners were extremely nice, seemed knowledge, and we're happy to hang out and talk. He told me that he commented about looking forward to trying the bourbon again in a few years after some of what they held back had a little more barrel time. They repeatedly flat out said they weren't planning on doing that. They were a craft distillery and people would buy the bourbon just to have it their shelves. It seems they stuck with that plan, at least for a while; but after a couple years started dropping prices. It's currently at a little over 50% of their initial price.
I've tasted very few that I couldn't find atleast one good thign to say about them.
Ooohh - you should try the Koval Single Barrel I mentioned earlier, lol
 
I was fortunate to be drinking bourbon for at least a few years before this pricing f***ery happened. I used to buy Pappy 20yr for $100/bottle...and, with a little effort, I was able to get mine at each release. I remember Weller products sitting on shelves at $28-45/bottle. Parker Heritage, BTAC, and Four Roses Limited Edition for $75-89. I don't deny that I was typically somewhat disappointed when I sprang for a $250 bottle. Not that they weren't good...I just didn't think they were that good, especially when compared to some of the more affordable gems.
Today, I'll admit to balking at higher prices. I'll still pay $100 is it's something I know I really like; and I'll occasionally splurge on something special up to $150...maybe $175. Above that, and I find myself needing to justify it to myself; which doesn't come easily because at those prices I'm reluctant to open the bottle.
 
I've only tried Powers once, and I'm not sure which one it was (it was in an "Irish pub" in PA we stopped at for lunch). It was very alcohol forward and a little tough to enjoy. (That was a bit of a surprise to me, as most of the Irish whiskeys I've had were pretty mellow.)

If I had to name a favorite, it would probably be Green Spot...but I've probably only tried 6

It was probably the basic bar selection. Like Tullamore Dew, Paddy's, or the basic versions of Jameson or Bushmills; or scotches like Cutty Sark, J&B, Johnnie Red, etc,; it's a blend cut with industrial whiskey at minimum age. It's not like I haven't drank a lot of that kind of stuff over the years or I didn't enjoy it at the time. They're just a bit like Budweiser, PBR, or Coors Light versus richer beers.

Green Spot and Redbreast are both pure or single pot stills. Pot still is a unique type of whiskey made in Ireland from a mixture of malted and unmalted barley. Powers Three Swallows is an affordably priced single pot still with no age statement. It's a little sharp, especially when first opened, but decent. Powers John Lane is the aged version. Overall, I probably prefer the John Lane to Green Spot, but Redbreast 12 over either. Coincidental to their names, Greenspot has a distinct green apple note whereas Redbreast 12 has more of a red fruit character.

Some of the cheaper blended Irish Whiskeys contain a little pot still. (That's what helps Paddy's hold up the low end at just under $20 a bottle.) The Irishman Founder's Reserve is a notable blend as it does not contain the industrial whiskey. It's 70% Single Malt and 30% Single Pot Still.
 
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If you ever want to trade your Slysz Bowie for bourbon, let me know.

I've got 10 bottles of premium bourbon that I know that I'm never going to open & would be happy to trade any of them (of equal value) for it. ;)
 
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taste is a funny thing. I like the Heaven Hill 7, but I am a Heaven Hill fan. if you told me I could only get whisky from one distillery, it would probably be Heaven Hill. between the Evan Williams lineup, and Elijah Craig I'd be pretty happy. Throw in some Henry McKenna 10, the Parker versions. lets not forget Rittenhouse for a very affordable and sippable bottled in bond rye. Larceny and Old Fitz. count me in.
I'm not a fan of Knob Creek, I've tried pretty much all of theirs except the 18 year and the maple stuff. I'm not much on flavored stuff, and I'm not spending on an 18 when I don't care for the rest of your lineup. but lots of people do like it, so it is what it is.

there is a lot out there, but I dont think its hard to find quality stuff, just need to find stuff that fits your style. I've been lucky to get to Kentucky twice in the last year or so and had the chance to do tastings at about 40 distilleries. Not too mention another 8 to 10 distilleries in or closer to Virginia. A great way to be able to try stuff and not have to spend on a whole bottle or overpriced taste at a restaurant/bar.

I think there is a good bit of truth in people shopping expensive labels, and I think there are a lot of collectors that are just stockpiling this stuff for one reason or another. I've had the chance to taste some high dollar stuff, and most of it has been good, if not great, but I'm not sure any of it worth $250+ per bottle.
There are some younger brands that are putting out some good stuff too, and it will be interesting to see what they can do when they get some years under the barrels.
I've tasted very few that I couldn't find atleast one good thign to say about them.
Salute @I1ranger ! I can literally repeat your post, except for my love for KC 😁 Not related to Knob Creek but same basic Bourbon line - Beam was very popular in Europe when I lived there and JB and Coke was popular mix in a can,
along with JD and Coke in a can. Neve even tried those... 🤮
White label Jim Beam was the only decent Bourbon we can get ahold of before early 90ies, even in Germany, where I was visiting often, relative of mine. Scotch was the "thing" aside of
local shnaps and amazing biers (Licher and Warshtainer were my favorites).

Of course all brands owned by HH are very good, I 'cant single out one of them. I just want to mentioned - 8yeas old Evan Williams Single Barrel. Used to be around $30+. Amazing pour.
10 yo Henry McKena. If you get to the right version as you mentioned, I will absolutely prefer it before the 10yo Eagle Rare. Let me be wrong, send all McKenas you don't like to me ! 🤣
I should check the label of my only remined bottle of McKena, purchased probably 3 years back.
EC Toasted Barrel and 7yo BIB HH are the one I would always buy when not on a hunt for segmenting else. I'm so glad those two are fairly priced these days and not such a rare birds as other hyped distilleries products.
I was fortunate to be drinking bourbon for at least a few years before this pricing f***ery happened. I used to buy Pappy 20yr for $100/bottle...and, with a little effort, I was able to get mine at each release. I remember Weller products sitting on shelves at $28-45/bottle. Parker Heritage, BTAC, and Four Roses Limited Edition for $75-89. I don't deny that I was typically somewhat disappointed when I sprang for a $250 bottle. Not that they weren't good...I just didn't think they were that good, especially when compared to some of the more affordable gems.
Today, I'll admit to balking at higher prices. I'll still pay $100 is it's something I know I really like; and I'll occasionally splurge on something special up to $150...maybe $175. Above that, and I find myself needing to justify it to myself; which doesn't come easily because at those prices I'm reluctant to open the bottle.
Good times. I remember Blanton's, Eagle Rare and Buffalo Trace being on Total Wine Shelves and nobody was touching it... :cool:
It was probably the basic bar selection. Like Tullamore Dew, Paddy's, or the basic versions of Jameson or Bushmills; or scotches like Cutty Sark, J&B, Johnnie Red, etc,; it's a blend cut with industrial whiskey at minimum age. It's not like I haven't drank a lot of that kind of stuff over the years or I didn't enjoy it at the time. They're just a bit like Budweiser, PBR, or Coors Light versus richer beers.

Green Spot and Redbreast are both pure or single pot stills. Pot still is a unique type of whiskey made in Ireland from a mixture of malted and unmalted barley. Powers Three Swallows is an affordably priced single pot still with no age statement. It's a little sharp, especially when first opened, but decent. Powers John Lane is the aged version. Overall, I probably prefer the John Lane to Green Spot, but Redbreast 12 over either. Coincidental to their names, Greenspot has a distinct green apple note whereas Redbreast 12 has more of a red fruit character.

Some of the cheaper blended Irish Whiskeys contain a little pot still. (That's what helps Paddy's hold up the low end at just under $20 a bottle.) The Irishman Founder's Reserve is a notable blend as it does not contain the industrial whiskey. It's 70% Single Malt and 30% Single Pot Still.
Thank You ! We are happy to be here. This Country gave gave us everything we got and if I was in better condition I'd probably be a tripper, believe or not, but unfortunately I can't.
Not happy with what this Country became right now but here is not the place to spill my anti-communism and woke hatred.

I will definitely look for all three drinks from your picture. Redbreast is a name that most of my friends who are more familiar than me with the Irish drinks are recommending, I'm only familiar with Tullamore Dew and I like it.
Very interested of the Irish Rye, probably this will be the first one to grab, maybe even this week... I got some birthday parties lined up for the weekend and I'll need an IV infusion to survive it but I'm a "trained professional" alcohol tester so will see 🤣

Cheers Gents, it is my pleasure to carry such conversations, especially in the knife forum !

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I'm pretty strict about not paying much above retail for a bottle.
I'm not that old, but I do remember weller, buffalo trace and eagle rare just being readily available. you could order some of the rarer stuff and they'd put you on the list and call you when they finally got around to your name. That has since been discontinued here, and the stuff they deem rare is done by lottery.

I will also add, Michters and Peerless are worth a look if you havent tried them yet

here's a recycled picture to keep the topic flowing - kizer mini begleiter 154CM blade
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Thank You ! We are happy to be here. This Country gave gave us everything we got and if I was in better condition I'd probably be a tripper, believe or not, but unfortunately I can't.
Not happy with what this Country became right now but here is not the place to spill my anti-communism and woke hatred.

I will definitely look for all three drinks from your picture. Redbreast is a name that most of my friends who are more familiar than me with the Irish drinks are recommending, I'm only familiar with Tullamore Dew and I like it.
Very interested of the Irish Rye, probably this will be the first one to grab, maybe even this week... I got some birthday parties lined up for the weekend and I'll need an IV infusion to survive it but I'm a "trained professional" alcohol tester so will see 🤣

Cheers Gents, it is my pleasure to carry such conversations, especially in the knife forum !

I feel the same way. You'd certainly be welcome to share in the political sub-forum here. While my family from that part of the world came over long before I was born, I've had some very enlightening conversations with people who came over more recently.

Definitely do yourself a favor and get a bottle of Redbreast 12. Their other stuff is good too but I have a hard time justifying over a hundred bucks for under a liter of something I'm going to drink. 😜

The Connemara is interesting in that it's a smokey Irish whiskey but like smokier scotches, I have to be in the mood.

Speaking of drinking on a budget, my supply of Buffalo Trace is running low...

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taste is a funny thing. I like the Heaven Hill 7, but I am a Heaven Hill fan. if you told me I could only get whisky from one distillery, it would probably be Heaven Hill. between the Evan Williams lineup, and Elijah Craig I'd be pretty happy. Throw in some Henry McKenna 10, the Parker versions. lets not forget Rittenhouse for a very affordable and sippable bottled in bond rye. Larceny and Old Fitz. count me in.
I'm not a fan of Knob Creek, I've tried pretty much all of theirs except the 18 year and the maple stuff. I'm not much on flavored stuff, and I'm not spending on an 18 when I don't care for the rest of your lineup. but lots of people do like it, so it is what it is.

Tastes differ.

When I started sampling bourbons (over 55 of them; I've got a list), I remember liking Heaven Hlll 7 & McKenna 10 before stores started charging premium prices for them which caused me to stop buying them.

I never was big fan of Knob Creek or Larceny (they were ok but not "great" IMO) but I always liked Buffalo Trace & Eagle Rare.

Buffalo Trace is still widely available in my area for around $26/bottle and is my "go-to" bourbon now (I buy 6 bottles of it at a time and need to buy another 6 now) but, while I could easily find bottles of Eagle Rare on the shelf a couple of years ago, they're as rare as hen's teeth these days and, if you can find any, they'll set you back at least $70/bottle.

I'm currently hoarding 8 bottles of Eagle Rare and I'm not opening another bottle of it until I find at least 6 more. That 'll allow me to open 2 bottles and still have a case in reserve. :cool:
 
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I'm pretty strict about not paying much above retail for a bottle.
I'm not that old, but I do remember weller, buffalo trace and eagle rare just being readily available. you could order some of the rarer stuff and they'd put you on the list and call you when they finally got around to your name. That has since been discontinued here, and the stuff they deem rare is done by lottery.

I will also add, Michters and Peerless are worth a look if you havent tried them yet

here's a recycled picture to keep the topic flowing - kizer mini begleiter 154CM blade
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Man, I love your picture ! The EW BIB on the left, side by side with the Winkles... 🤣:thumbsup:
It shows that you care about the taste and not much about the price tag when the juice fits your likings... I'm totally in line with your mentality about the prices and expensive bottles. this days.
The only thing is - we are few friends that share a price of expensive bourbons and it's easier to pay $50 per person if you get a rare, $200 bottle... Otherwise my personal price range would be
most of the time around $20 to $80 in cases when I'm very interested of something... Last example was this Frank August that I picked up after a long wait from TW for below $70. No regrets at all,
fantastic jiuce...
I feel the same way. You'd certainly be welcome to share in the political sub-forum here. ...
....Definitely do yourself a favor and get a bottle of Redbreast 12. Their other stuff is good too but I have a hard time justifying over a hundred bucks for under a liter of something I'm going to drink
I will check the forum for sure... I'm dealing every day with two other forums, one I'm administrating, and don't have much time for it,
plus you've probably seen how many times IG is sending me in their jail for taking more than conservative stands... 😁 f***g idiots...

Redbrest will be home probably till the rest of thee week Chronovore, now your recommendation got my curiosity and I'm definitely will be trying it, it won't left over in my house 😂

Today was very productive, "computer" day for me, beautiful, quiet, rainy day on the West Coast here in FL, driven by the last night conversation, I'm finishing my bottle of Tullamore Dew,
and actually enjoying it a lot...

Cheers Gents !

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Naturally, we went to a friend's Thanksgiving party last night.
Lot's of drinks and food, the new Bardstown Origins is very good, both, the BIB Wheated and the white label HighRye.
I went for the Russel Private Single Barrel.

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... and killed the bottle 😍 It was gorgeous, cool weather in FL, great time around my friend's pool.
Happy Thanksgiving and easy, long weekend Gents !!!

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