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Was the cop also charged a carbon tax for igniting the suspect ?
I understand carbon taxes have become a big topic down under.
 
LEO's cant ever win. Even if they catch the criminals, they face lawyers trying to find every loop hole possible.
I am quite certain, if cops had enough one day and all went on strike, they would all be sued by victims of crimes that occured when they were on strike.
 
milani74 said:
LEO's cant ever win. Even if they catch the criminals, they face lawyers trying to find every loop hole possible.
I am quite certain, if cops had enough one day and all went on strike, they would all be sued by victims of crimes that occured when they were on strike.
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Even if it was brought up they wouldnt win. The SCOTUS has ruled that the government owes no one person protection.
 
sandgroper said:
Hey guys
Im sure you will appreciate this their was a report on tonights news of a cop in a remote area in our outback (which is probably about a two day drive east of the perth the capitol of my state) read very very remote! Anyway the cop was confronted by a suspect who was known to be violent and he was high from petrol sniffing. The suspect came at the cop with a can full of petrol and a lighter and the cop used his tazer on him.
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I agree. The cop did the right thing there. He used appropriate force to stop the threat.

But I will say that there are cops out there who abuse their authority when it comes to use of deadly force. There have been situations where a guy rushes a cop with absolutely nothing in hand and gets shot dead. A guy disobeying a cop's instructions to step out of the vehicle, speeds off and gets three/four founds in his skull. Completely unnecessary; use enough force to stop the threat, such as a shot to the leg or shoot the tires. They forget that they chose to be cops. And, when you're a cop, there are certain danger in the job. If you don't have the balls or take down an unarmed attacker or don't have the intelligence to know the difference between disabling someone vs shoot to kill, then you don't need to be a cop. Try another job ... hired assassin!
 
saiblade said:
Completely unnecessary; use enough force to stop the threat, such as a shot to the leg or shoot the tires.
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Barring snipers, street cops are not trained to shoot a leg or tire... they are trained to shoot center mass - to stop the threat, even if it means death. Period. Warning shots and all of that other stuff is what movies are made of.
 
"A guy disobeying a cop's instructions to step out of the vehicle, speeds off and gets three/four [r]ounds in his skull".

Good! Why do you think it is OK for a criminal to speed off in a car and potentially endanger the lives of innocent people, but not okay for a policeman to shoot him in the head in order to mitigate such threat?
 
I have no problem with what the officer did. BBQ boy is lucky he didnt get shot with something a little more unforgiving.
 
Grump said:
Barring snipers, street cops are not trained to shoot a leg or tire... they are trained to shoot center mass - to stop the threat, even if it means death. Period. Warning shots and all of that other stuff is what movies are made of.
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+1 on that... Anyone who thinks LEOs get to shoot people in the leg to stop a threat are watching too much TV.
 
Good! Why do you think it is OK for a criminal to speed off in a car and potentially endanger the lives of innocent people, but not okay for a policeman to shoot him in the head in order to mitigate such threat?[/QUOTE]

So it's ok to put three/four rounds in the head of an innocent guy, SUSPECTED of something? That's why the American people gave that cop a freakin' cruiser! Go get him the right way! Right before bed, I wonder if that cop thinks "I'm a hero ... I shot that bad driver dead!"

Just my two cents! Didn't mean to start a war!
 
I have never seen any LEO celebrating after having to fire his weapon in defense of his life or that of another innocent person. We have a fraction of a second to make a life or death decision that we have to live with for the rest of our lives. Some people forget that we have families too, and I will do anything within the letter of the law to return home to them, even if that means that someone will ask...why didnt he just shoot him in the leg?

Just my 2 cents.
 
And sailblade, Im not trying to start a war either, just want people to know that we are not machines, we try our best, and never want any situation to end in violence.
 
saiblade said:
Right before bed, I wonder if that cop thinks "I'm a hero ... I shot that bad driver dead!"

Just my two cents! Didn't mean to start a war!
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No offense but two cents is more than it's worth. I know cops who have shot and killed people and I can assure you that it weighs heavily on them. If you haven't been through it, don't pretend to know what they are going through.
 
Also keep in mind...the officer in question did not know, at the time, the guy had been huffing gasoline nor did he know what was in the bottle. He used the appropriate LDF option he had available. The subject was unlucky. When the officer noticed what his attack cause dhe immediately tended to the needs of the subject. IMO, well done.

Protect and serve, baby...


P.S. Its not like in the old days when we still used oil based OC and then used a TASER, hehee.
 
Jetblack said:
I have never seen any LEO celebrating after having to fire his weapon in defense of his life or that of another innocent person. We have a fraction of a second to make a life or death decision that we have to live with for the rest of our lives. Some people forget that we have families too, and I will do anything within the letter of the law to return home to them, even if that means that someone will ask...why didnt he just shoot him in the leg?

Just my 2 cents.
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Good point there, JetBlack; however, the scenarios mentioned are not life or death situations. As an officer of the law, or as a Soldier, danger will always be there in your daily duties. In fact, it's expected. But why shoot to kill when you don't need to? To serve and protect ... who were you protecting when you shot the bum who rushed you with nothing in hand? Who were you protecting when you shot the driver who didn't listen to you? Yeah, maybe if you didn't shot him, he MIGHT run over someone with his reckless driving, but that's "MIGHT".

I'm just not a big supporter of police brutality. I think that, if you're going to protect and serve, really think about what that means and do the job right. Too many trigger-happy cops out there that just don't or probably won't get what it really means to "protect and serve". And, if you don't feel comfortable with the dangers of being a protector, don't join..
 
Grump said:
As a LEO, I was never trained to kill anyone.
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Good response. I think this forum could use more sanity such as that. Seems like we've got into a pecker measuring contest on some of these threads with everyone wanting to make sure the rest of the world knows how tough they are.
 
How in the fuck does anyone think you can reason with someone who has been sniffing gasoline to get high? This guy was obviously bent from the start without sniffing gasoline. Wow, booze isn't good enough, I have to sniff some gasoline?

I don't like the way the Taser trend is going, I keep hearing, seeing and reading news about them being used just because someone would not listen to a cop. OK, respect for the law is one thing, respect for an officer of the law is another, but if you think you can Taser a seven year old girl because she is (this actually happened) throwing a temper tantrum in the principal's office at elementary school - BURGER KING IS HIRING! Or, if you think that anyone who does not immediately bow to your WILL should be Tasered, likewise, I think you should be flipping burgers for a living and wearing the poop drawers.

But this case? OK, so the cop does nothing. Guy goes and lights someone else on fire or some other stupid shit, burns down a building - then the people say, "Oh my god! Why didn't the police do something?"

As far as the shoot them in the leg comments, please.

There are a lot of things in law enforcement that I think should be changed. I don't think, for example, a police officer should get in the way of a vehicle and then shoot the driver when he doesn't stop. I think that is a manufactured "good shoot" situation. I think there are times for it but I also think some of them end up stepping into a situation that wasn't going to be lethal but they made it so.
 
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