Bob Sylvester-Forumites you make the call

I think that the buyer and seller HAVE to agree whether the package will be insured or not. In order to save some $$ I ask sellers to send knives by regular air mail. I take the chance = it is my responsibility. But I never send knives to US uninsured - only if the buyer wanted me to do it.

David

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I feel for you Nifrand.

IMHO, It is totally his RESPONSIBILITY untill the knives are in your possesion.
Aman of INTREGRITY would own it and never try to "Pass the Buck". Gigone is right on point a POS !

Sorry to hear of this situation. Have Faith and mve forward !

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The package is the seller's responsiblity until possession is taken by the buyer. I would never ship a knife uninsured.
Please post the name and address you sent your money to, so maybe others can avoid being ripped off by this individual.

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[This message has been edited by lifter4Him@aol.com (edited 05-01-2000).]
 
I'm sorta, kinda new here. But it seems to me that maybe some of the more knowledgable ones (Joe, Cliff, Marion, Senator, and many others) should set some kind of "Rules of Etiquette" of deals by individual forumites with one another. Then we could all sorta 'sign' (post to) the Rules in agreement. If you wanna do business with anyone, check to see if they signed the agreement. If not, it says something about them you should consider before sending either knives or money. If they sign, they've committed themselves to it. They may still rip people off, but at least there'll probably be less occurrences and there wouldn't be any questions as to what was expected (insurance, packaging, money-holding, etc.).

Like I said, I'm a newbie. Just a thought. I'd author it myself, but since I haven't done any deals this way, I really wouldn't know what to put.

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Champion,
That's a great idea. I think that comon practices should never be taken for granted, and in every transaction that I do, I explicitly ask/tell what I expect. Putting it down in a thread there we all "sign" that we agree sounds great!

~Mitch
 
IMO the Seller needs to fullfill his end of the bargain by replacing the knives. If he loses money on it - doesnt matter, he would have saved his HONOR.

Everything is a risk... thats the chances you take. If he was worried about the risk - he should have sent the knives packaged securely, insured, and with a tracking number. That way he could have made claim with the carrier...
The buyer needs to worry about nothing... He had fullfilled his end by sending the money.
Had the money not arrived - the buyer would have to have sent the money again... perhaps taking a loss for it - perhaps not depending on how the money was sent... maybe he could make a claim to the carrier or cancel the check or what ever...

Sad situation I agree - but it should not cost a man his honor - which is something you cant buy back easily.
Some things are worth more than money.
 
This is ridiculous. There is NO debate on this issue.

COMMON SENSE dictates that if I buy something and never receive it, I'm not responsible for paying for it (or splitting the cost).

When SPEEDTECH loses a knife in shipping, it's unfortunately OUR bad luck and part of the cost of doing business. It would be silly for us to ask our customers to bear the cost of the lost items.

Personally, one time in the past, I had bought and paid for a knife and decided to return it for a refund. It got lost in the mail and guess who ate $450. It still hurts to this day, but the loss was mine to deal with, not the party I was shipping it to.

Part of the responsibility of dealing on these forums is being fair and honest and treating others as you expect to be treated.

I have dealt with Nifrand many times in the past. If a knife he sold me got lost in shipping, I know the first thing he would give me is my money back without question.

That is why I will always deal with him.

I wonder if an offer to "split the cost" would be made to Nifrand if instead he was the seller in this case.

Stay sharp (and righteous)!

Jim

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[This message has been edited by Jim O'Young (edited 05-02-2000).]
 
I would like Mr Sylvester to respond on this forum.He still wants to split the cost with me.
I sent him money and do not have any knives.I believe that is fraud.

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It is absolutely the seller's responsibility until the buyer takes delivery. This is also true if the knife was damaged in transit. I've had such good luck with priority mail that I usually do not insure for values under $50. But if it doesn't get there it is MY responsibility not the seller's. I just completed a trade with that went well but could have been a problem. We agreed on simultaneous insured priority mail. I sent mine at the agreed to time but thet other guy had acouple of delays. He sent me an apologetic email and said he would overnight it whcih he did. I think I got his before he got mine but he had stuck it in an overnight envelope with no packing material. Now granted these are cardboard, not paper but the envelope was pretty beat. The knife was intact inside its original tube but it wouldn't have take much for it to have come out of the envelope. Insurance is all well and good but a proper packing job may prevent you from having to try and collect it.

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randy is 100%. not only is he a good customer but he is my friend.

as a dealer, it understood that it is the responsibility of the shipper/seller to insure that the knife or item makes it into the hands of the buyer.

if the item is lost, it is the responsibility of the shipper/seller to track it down, refund, or re-ship.

it is the only honorable thing to do.

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You're right, Nifrand, Bob S. IS guilty of fraud! If you don't get total satisfaction, he should be kicked off the Forums (at the very least). Ya don't need to be a Quiz Kid to see the injustice here. Good luck!
 
I agree that this situation sounds very unfortunate and I empathize with you nifrand.

Perhaps this is a dumb question, but if you still have the stub from the Money Order (and the amount is considerable) could you turn it in to the Company that you have your Homeowner's Insurance with? Perhaps your policy would cover the loss? And while I understand that wouldn't be the "preferred" method of Payback against someone like this, it may be a slight consolation.

I agree with posting his name and address so that others can be saved from this type of experience.

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I agree that this situation sounds very unfortunate and I empathize with you nifrand.

Perhaps this is a dumb question, but if you still have the stub from the Money Order (and the amount is considerable) could you turn it in to the Company that you have your Homeowner's Insurance with? Perhaps your policy would cover the loss? And while I understand that wouldn't be the "preferred" method of Payback against someone like this, it may be a slight consolation.

I agree with posting his name and address so that others can be saved from this type of experience.

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Mr Sylvester sent me an e/mail stating he would pay me next week.I'll be waiting patiently by my mail box.
I'll let you guys know what happens.
Thanks for all of your support.
And for all you Marines and former Marines,
Semper Fi!

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have a"knife"day
 
Been a week now.Waiting patiently by my mailbox.
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In his last email he called me an adolescent and immature.I am 60 years old and have not been called that since I went in the Marines.
BTW I think an immature person is one who does not face responsability.
As far as adolescence I lost it in Viet Nam.

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have a"knife"day
 
Adolescent and immature people don't insure poorly packaged knives to protect themselves from mail mishaps. And adolescent and immature people refuse to reimburse people for losses due to their own blatant mistakes.

That's what I think. Have you ever noticed that the person in the right is generally not the first to start calling names?

Brandon

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Update:Received a money order a week ago and it was $10.00 short.Emailed him to that effect and have had no response.
Am I beating a dead horse?

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have a"knife"day
 
If he doesn't pay up in full, then SPARK should remove him from this forum and find someway of blocking his IP from even browsing the forum.

The other method is give everyone his email and we can all email him to show him what we think of his deal.

Another way would be to start a new thread called; "BOB SYLVESTER SUCKS" and link this thread to it for those that don't know and and keep it alive weekly by posting once a week so it stays up.

 
Nifrand,

Congrat's on getting "most" of your $$ back.
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I'm really surprised that he sent you anything (considering what a stand-up individual he isn't !

As far as trying to get the hammerhead to fess up the remaining $10 is a toss of the coin !

I'd do the following:

1. Cut the loss and call it quit's. Look at the trouble that you went through to get what you got ! Besides.......if he chumps you for $10 ~ he's sunk a little deeper in the mire of POS-dom !
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2. Put his name at the top of your "POS" list and never deal with him again.

3. Periodically "BTTT" this thread to ensure that no one deals with "Bob."

4. E-mail every "knife type forum" on the net and notify them of this individuals superb dog doo skills.

5. Kick back and have a brew (or your choice of liquid embellishment) ~ you've been rather lucky ! There are some out there who get totally ripped off!

and finally......

6. I'd e-mail "Bob", thank him for being such a good sport/stand-up guy and then proceed to tell him how he should go to heaven !
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Jeff

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Cobalt and Gig One:
I'm sure glad you are on my side.You guys are something else.Thanks again and I totally agree with you.LOL
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