Botach Tactical finally bit me!

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Ready for this? The funny thing about this one is that I've actually ordered from them about 6 times before and gotten a few decent bargains and never had a problem, so I just ignored all the negative reviews on this forum about them. Well, my luck finally ran out! :D

While placing my order for 2 Spyderco Plain-edge Merlins, a Stainless Endura and a Harpy all for $36 each, the voice in my head kept saying "This is too good to be true." so I put a note in my order asking to be contacted if something was not in stock.

Well, I was right, it WAS too good to be true.

With that feeling still eating at me, I phoned the next day just to make sure that all the items were in stock and would ship. This is when I started experiencing the worst customer service I've ever had in an online knife store:

I was repeatedly transferred into oblivion where nobody would pick up the line for 20 minutes straight. I was accidently disconnected twice by a live person. I was repeatedly transferred to voicemail where I would either hang up or leave messages that were never returned. (I ended up leaving 3 or 4 messages.) I even twice had a live person promise to call me back and never call. Once, I accidently got a live person on the phone from the Sales Department who wouldn't let me talk to a manager even though I asked twice. She just repeated that it was the Sales Department and gave me the extensions for Customer Service. After 3 full days and more than a dozen phone calls, I finally got live a person on the phone who, despite my objections, once-again told me she'd call me back, and even though it took all day, she did finally call me back...

at which time I was informed that two of the four knives I ordered were out of stock.
I wonder when I would have been informed of that if I HADN'T spent three days trying to call?

When the two knives arrived, one was obviously defective and had to be sent back to Spyderco. It was VERY difficult to open and close and would not snap closed - but had to be pushed closed all the way. I mention this because I know quite a few dealers who inspect their products before they ship them. (It's a good thing I can be certain of Spyderco's good customer service.)

As a result of having to pay for shipping on the defective knife to and from Spyderco, I didn't even get a decent deal on the two knives they DID have in stock.

This is sad because I've actually had good experiences with Botach Tactical in the past, but I would never order from them again for fear of ever getting this kind of "service" again. :barf:
 
There's a moral here, I just know it! :)

Seriously, it's too bad it took this to open your eyes about these guys, I never got screwed by them, but I heard too many stories to deal with them and I'm fairly sure it saved me a lot of aggrivation in the end.
 
Well it is not a question of " if ",but "when".Lots of people defend them because they have never had a problem.The issue I have if the BBB say's they are bad,why take the chance after one horror story after another?Sorry your experience sucked,but I can't say I'm suprised.
 
even if you havent been bitten, why support a vendor who screws others with regularity? I feel bad you had to have this experience, but these guys still are in business and probly going strong becuase "every one else " is still going to get their "good deals" until they too are bitten. But when that happens, sure enough some one else will come along for the good deal to replace them................
 
I also took the "Rate This Dealer" Yahoo survey that they sent me which I obvoiusly gave them poor marks on and included most of the text in my top post. I just received this from Botach:

Dear Valued Customer

** We apologize sir, first for this inconvenience in your order, We know that it took time sir, and
for that i'm saying sorry, the reason why is because we did not have this item in stock, which i'm apologizing for it
and second for the bad customer service that you said we have, I'm alos thanking you for leting us know about it,
we are working to improve this sir, Just to make it up sir, we are willing to do anything to keep you as our customer
and for you to let me know what to do, also if you so kind to re rate us in this order, like i said i will
work with you to fix this problem sir,
You can contact me at 323-294-5555 please do not speak to nobody but, me
thank you for your time sir I apreciate that and I apologize in Botac's name for this inconvenience,

ATTN

Vilma A. Rios
Shipping Dept.
Botach Tactical

She wants me to talk to her and nobody else and then re-rate them? Hmmm. Sounds like somebody is trying to cover her arse. ;)

I haven't decided how/if I'm going to respond to this. Gotta think about it. Suggestions? :confused:
 
I think they really are trying to improve. Search the net for "Botach" and you'll find their website and thousands of complaints about them. They know that....

Why not call? I don't know what good it can do but I can't see that it can do any harm. It certainly isn't selling out; you've already posted.

By the way, although I think they are trying to improve I am not going to be one of the customers they experiment on while they're trying. They're going to have to improve a lot before they'll ever have me for a customer.
 
But I'm suspicious.

Why would that woman be so adamant about me to talking to her and nobody else. Why would she ask for me to review them again?

I may call or I may just blow the whole thing off. If I do call, what should I ask for?
 
Just call to find out what she has to say. Let her do all the talking -- and tell us what happens. :D
 
Yep, listen to her, but don't rerate the Yahoo dealer post.
What does it to for you, the customer that got less than exemplary service, to rerate them?
The hope that maybe, someday, could be when pigs fly, you will be dealing wth an honest dealer?
That gives you no immediate gratification, and it might not help others that might do business with them.
The dealer must make the necessary changes in their operation/policy/service first, to earn a rerating.
My.02
 
I bought stuff from these guys when they were just a little three-person cop shop, in a bad part of L.A.. You had to buzz to be let in the barred front door. It was a pawn shop at the time as well. These were pre on-line times, and the owner and couple of employees were very personable and helpful. You could walk through their aisles of stuff and pick out just what you wanted.

I think they have simply lost the ability to keep up with the volume they've generated. I'm not trying to make excuses for them; just trying to shed some light on what may be at the root of many of their problems.

That, and thinking back on better times.

James
 
She probably meant "don't talk to anyone in this company but me since they might give you more run-around with your problem".

of course this is looking at it in the best light.
 
Horizon_Seeker said:
She probably meant "don't talk to anyone in this company but me since they might give you more run-around with your problem".

of course this is looking at it in the best light.

I see. You're a glass-is-half-full kinda guy. ;)
I'm a pessamist when it comes to people.

I'll call her later today. I'll probably have to leave a message. We'll see if she ever calls me back. ;)
 
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