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Bought NIB knife w/ scratch on blade, seller says I am doing a 'switcheroo' on him
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My thoughts exactly. It's not worth ruining your reputation, the seller should just refund the money plus shipping cost and re-list it with a better description. Everyone is happy.
IMO, whether it is a scratch or artifact from the stonewashing process it should have been mentioned and accurately depicted in a picture. It's certainly noticeable and would make me question the validity of the NIB label.
I agree almost 100% but to me it isn't even the money that is the issue, it's more the hassle and time spent in the back and forth and having to ship back and forth. Selling is just a pain in the ass pure and simple because you never know how it will turn out. 99% of the time it works out great. But there's that 1% left over that makes you pause.
A lot of you guys that have been around here for a while would remember this guy if I said his name. He's since been banned, but before he was, he was all over this place and others. He was ubiquitous, and one of those guys who always had an opinion on everything. He could come across as a fairly level headed dude until you actually dealt with him on a personal level. The truth is he was a self centered, prima Donna who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground - but he could talk a good game, learned some buzz words, and had a lot of people fooled into thinking he was some sort of near expert on metallurgy.
Anyway, I sold this guy a pristine condition knife once and was almost immediately sorry I did. He drove me nuts just about from the time he said I'll take it to after he got it. It started with the shipping when he couldn't get the info from the tracking data cause it was so new, and got worse from there.
After he received the knife it got worse. He would never come right out and say there was anything wrong with the knife but he would furtively imply I had misrepresented in a back handed way with some of the most outrageously ridiculous nitpicks Ive ever heard anyone concoct. Things nobody would even think to look at. It really irked me and when I would confront him about it publicly he would always back away and apologize profusely, but I always felt like the implication was left that maybe I hadn't described the knife properly and that bothered me to no end. I offered - even tried to buy the knife back several times but he wouldn't have it of course because there was nothing wrong with the knife. Basically he was just an asshole and it all eventually caught up to him. But it happens and there are more guys like him out there. It's just a risk you take whenever you deal over the net I guess.
The best we can all do is to just look out for each other and treat each other as we would like to be treated but even then there's no garantee it'll go smoothly.
Don't know why I felt the need to say all this exactly, but I did and now I'm done. . .
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wolfmann601
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I know exactly who you are talking about!!
Sure it's a hassle to ship back and forth and sure three days may be too long. But in the end it's far better than having a GB&U thread proclaiming your scumbagery, even if you are 100% righteous. People have lives and knives may be secondary so three days really is not alot of time. I have had knives arrive and sit in the box a day or so because I was out straight at work. So, if you buy a knife from me you will have three days to inspect it, YMMV.
My position has always been if you are a good member of this community you will do the right thing in a knife deal...............
Sure it's a hassle to ship back and forth and sure three days may be too long. But in the end it's far better than having a GB&U thread proclaiming your scumbagery, even if you are 100% righteous. People have lives and knives may be secondary so three days really is not alot of time. I have had knives arrive and sit in the box a day or so because I was out straight at work. So, if you buy a knife from me you will have three days to inspect it, YMMV.
My position has always been if you are a good member of this community you will do the right thing in a knife deal...............
Your argument doesn't make sense for a knife that has been marked up over $100, just because of the supply-demand problems. If it is a NIB, it's got to be NIB. If the seller finds pocket lint and scratches, issue a full refund. No questions asked. It is merely a cut in profit, and not a loss for the seller, so he should have done a better job for a NIB knife.
Huh?
I have no idea what your saying here but I'll take a stab at it. What "argument" did I make? I merely stated how I feel about the process of selling. And at what point did I say someone should not be given a refund for a knife that wasn't described properly? And what the hell does markup have to do with anything? I don't care if it cost $1 or $1000. If you rip a guy off you need to do right by him regardless of cost. . .
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Agreed. Nothing to see here....
If you can't afford the 4% cost of the most superb buyer protection plan out there, but can afford a 'back-up' AVO, Then why even start this thread?
I hate to be so rude, but there are enough threads in the GBU about NOT using the gift option because of situations like this, that it could be a whole new section on this forum.
If you are here to warn us about this individual that's fine and helpful, otherwise, I don't think it's this forums job to continually try to be PayPal and fix things because people just can't learn from the countless mistakes of others.
You never bought an AVO. You gave some guy $X as a gift and you also received a knife as a gift.
It's been a long time since I got something like an AVO as a gift....enjoy it.
Looks like SW process marks. I have had that in a couple of my midtechs even some Hinderers. The lint under the clip does not show usage. If it had lint inside the scales then yes I would agree with you it is used or very poorly stored.
BTW if you ever want to sell that TAD snafu let me know
good luck resolving this!
BTW if you ever want to sell that TAD snafu let me know
good luck resolving this!LATEST (UNEVENTFUL) UPDATE - 12/28/2014:
After several more attempts at getting a response, he STILL has not given me a response after he requested photos of the knives from me. Again, the pictures that I sent him proves that there's no way I could have even attempted a "switcheroo" since my other Avo has a later lockup, and does not have the distinct scratch on the same location on the blade, while the scratch on the knife he sold me occurs in the same location on both his and my photos. Maybe he realizes this and has just decided to take my money and run.
I have informed him of this thread weeks ago, and he chose not to come to defend himself. All he has done so far was ask for advice on his Instagram page, where he was suggesting that I either have buyer's remorse, or am trying to scam him.
If anyone deals with him, my advice is to get high resolution pictures of every angle AND in different lighting conditions, rather than trust his word on an item's condition. Or better yet, just avoid dealing with him entirely. I'm not sure if paying with Paypal goods would have made a difference since the blemish/scratch may very well have been part of the manufacturing process, and the knife may be in fact, "new," though not accurately and honestly described. Either way, dealing with this guy has been nothing but a waste of time, and it just pisses me off every time I see that mark on the blade of the knife.
It could very well be stonewash processing marks, but it looks enough like a scratch since it's a line that is almost half the width of the blade in length - right smack in the middle of the blade. I think something like this should be noted from the ad from the beginning so buyers know what they're getting into.
Oh, and that TAD Rassenti is a Dauntless... Not a SNAFU. Similar, but different.
After several more attempts at getting a response, he STILL has not given me a response after he requested photos of the knives from me. Again, the pictures that I sent him proves that there's no way I could have even attempted a "switcheroo" since my other Avo has a later lockup, and does not have the distinct scratch on the same location on the blade, while the scratch on the knife he sold me occurs in the same location on both his and my photos. Maybe he realizes this and has just decided to take my money and run.
I have informed him of this thread weeks ago, and he chose not to come to defend himself. All he has done so far was ask for advice on his Instagram page, where he was suggesting that I either have buyer's remorse, or am trying to scam him.
If anyone deals with him, my advice is to get high resolution pictures of every angle AND in different lighting conditions, rather than trust his word on an item's condition. Or better yet, just avoid dealing with him entirely. I'm not sure if paying with Paypal goods would have made a difference since the blemish/scratch may very well have been part of the manufacturing process, and the knife may be in fact, "new," though not accurately and honestly described. Either way, dealing with this guy has been nothing but a waste of time, and it just pisses me off every time I see that mark on the blade of the knife.
Looks like SW process marks. I have had that in a couple of my midtechs even some Hinderers. The lint under the clip does not show usage. If it had lint inside the scales then yes I would agree with you it is used or very poorly stored.
BTW if you ever want to sell that TAD snafu let me know
It could very well be stonewash processing marks, but it looks enough like a scratch since it's a line that is almost half the width of the blade in length - right smack in the middle of the blade. I think something like this should be noted from the ad from the beginning so buyers know what they're getting into.
Oh, and that TAD Rassenti is a Dauntless... Not a SNAFU. Similar, but different.
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That looks like part of the stonewashing to me. The scratch marks aren't always uniform and sometimes you get one or two more noticeable scratches that look like that. I've handled many midtech and production knives with stonewashed finish, and I can honestly say that 3 of them exhibited that type of one-off scratch mark. Now it could also be that it was scratched at the factory, by the maker or by the seller, or by anyone. It's quite hard to see those type of marks unless you're really looking for it normally.
I hope you guys can resolve this amicably, I can understand if the seller is hesitant to just take it back since this isn't something that is a defect per se (if indeed it came like that from Brad).
I hope you guys can resolve this amicably, I can understand if the seller is hesitant to just take it back since this isn't something that is a defect per se (if indeed it came like that from Brad).
you should type "as is" on the sail thread.does he offer refunds?I wouldnt in a personal sail.I see buyers remorse all over this and youre dragging this guys name down for no reason.in his picks you cant see a scratch maybe you did it and dont want it now.you say "stay clear of him"why?he didnt rip you off.he gave you what you paid for.you most likly have been pestering him so he doesnt answer back.maybe he isnt the one we should avoid.you decided to pay the higher for the knife and you got it and probably found one cheaper somewere say its damaged so you can get your money back and the seller wont do it so you drag him threw the mud.I can totally see him thinking you switched model and do not think at all he should give you your money back
I always pay the 3.5% and send goods, then I know if something is wrong I will get my money back.
On another note, everyone that is asking buyer to pay fees if they want to pay goods are breaking the EULA of Paypal and if reported will get their accounts closed.
If I were you and the other guy asked you for fees or gift. Kindly inform him about that Paypal policy and see if he will cooperate.
The bottom line is we don't know of it's buyers remorse, we don't know if the scratch is factory or normal. We don't know much but one side cause the seller chose not to respond and give his side of things . What I do know is if I sell or trade something and the other party is unhappy, I undo the deal as long as I get what I sent back in the same condition as it was sent. If I think the complaint was nonsense and it's buyers remorse then I don't ever have to enter into a deal with them again. At least my conscience is clear and I did that right thing. It's really not that complex to deal honorably.Alot of threads wouldn't be here if people would operate in this manner imo.
I've bought/sold/traded a lot. I have gotten one knife back, and I didn't argue. It was a custom "fixed" from a beginning builder. It was cheap, and not worth much.
Refunded buyer's money and paid the return shipping, and added in a couple of bucks.. before the knife came back. Sold it cheap as dirt later on.
Full satisfaction on both sides is a necessity...that the knife is "as described" in the thread. One day Inspection should be plenty...
Add a note in the buy or sell thread that "Either party can nullify the transaction, same-day inspection, with full return of goods/money..."if the knife is NOT as advertised."
I pay return shipping if someone doesn't like my knives.
Refunded buyer's money and paid the return shipping, and added in a couple of bucks.. before the knife came back. Sold it cheap as dirt later on.
Full satisfaction on both sides is a necessity...that the knife is "as described" in the thread. One day Inspection should be plenty...
Add a note in the buy or sell thread that "Either party can nullify the transaction, same-day inspection, with full return of goods/money..."if the knife is NOT as advertised."
I pay return shipping if someone doesn't like my knives.
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I don't mind if a seller asks for me to pay PayPal fees (I won't pay them though), I do however see red flags when a seller asks me to use gift option (I automatically know not to do business with them).
wolfmann601
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If it's a knife you really want, being sold at a good price and the seller demands fees how do you get around not paying the seller's total price? I will not use the gift option but have paid fees in the past because I really, really wanted the knife and it was not worth losing out for $5-6 bucks