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Beautiful and smart. You can get by pretty well on looks and intelligence.
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And thank God for that. Not everyone wants a knife that looks like it was drawn up during high school detention.
Getting silly now.
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I know exactly what you are talking about!!!! Look how unnecessary and tacticool that looks compared to a classicly styled knife...
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Shoot,, I may be 0/3 on all those Timmy
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I wasn't going to mention this but since you brought it up. This^ is a huge problem IMO. To many Chefs in the kitchen. You can find horror stories of a knife needing to go from the US, to Sweden, and then to Japan, only for Fallkniven to find no problem with the knife so no warranty replacement (it is a limited warranty after all), just a regrind and send it back.
Send your knife in to Esee, they go "yup, it's broke", send you a new one. Simple.
I wouldn't go so far as to thank a lord or savior but yeah, it is nice to have variety. I don't like the look of lots of knives that people love, but I don't feel the need to insult what they like :thumbup:
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Hello Bodog. Supposedly there have been knifemakers that have inquired about this but were given a few qualifiers that discouraged them and I'm not talking about because they felt they would lose anything in public and be embarrassed. There was more to it but it's not my place to disclose information that amounts to heresay. I suppose what I'm saying is the reason there have not been challengers isn't because other makers fear losing.
I also don't know anyone who has been able to replicate that test with a Busse knife either and some have tried.
It would have to be a push cut test because Infi doesn't have the carbides for pure abrasive wear resistance on rope leaving geometry type cutting which limits the testing that can be done. Also, with a proprietary steel one can make one knife out of A2, and one of M2 and they both could officially be "infi" . There isn't a patent for Infi, is there? I Haven't found one. I've only found Busse's trademark and it's not on "infi"
Supposedly there were a couple of different "Carbon V" steel compositions/grain structures over the years with the different manufacturers making knives for Cold Steel.
This thread is one of many that have details about Carbon V .
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And yet you wrote to disparage the looks of BRKT and ESEE knives for not looking more like some of the most cartoonish Busses out there. Curious.
To the OP, yes. Several brands have been suggested, Fehrman is the only one that I have (of those suggestions), and I would rank it above Busse in quality and edge holding.
Let's talk about the warranty for a minute. For me, it's essentially worthless. The reason is, all of my Busse's I got in the early 2000's. I was new to the forum and bought in to the hype. None of the models I own are currently made anymore, so if I break one, I only get to apply the value of the knife to a newer model. I don't like the newer models, so I'm stuck. It might be a lifetime warranty, but if that knife isn't being made anymore, it does you no good if you want to stay with that style of knife.
The quality of the steel is good, but it's not head and shoulders better than anything else out there. Look at the claims in the same way that you would look at Cold Steel claims. The Carbon V Trailmaster was claimed to be better than 95% of the bowies on the market. Impossible to prove or disprove.
As for the standing offer to all the other makers, why would they care? That's like me having a standard offer to beat anyone on this forum with a 50 lb bench press. People just laugh and dismiss such a claim. If you want to see how INFI stacks up for edge holding, go check out Ankerson's thread. 1800'ish cuts on rope is child's play for plenty of modern steels that could probably beat that by a factor of 10.
Back in 2004/2005 I had to get rid of some aspen trees, 3 30 footers. I dropped and bucked them, then use both a CS Trailmaster and a Busse Battle Mistress to limb them, just to satisfy my curiosity. The Busse held a better edge, but not by much. Maybe 3 - 5 extra passes on the stone for the TM to get caught up in sharpness. Both did well, but it wasn't a huge difference - except in price.
Let's talk about the warranty for a minute. For me, it's essentially worthless. The reason is, all of my Busse's I got in the early 2000's. I was new to the forum and bought in to the hype. None of the models I own are currently made anymore, so if I break one, I only get to apply the value of the knife to a newer model. I don't like the newer models, so I'm stuck. It might be a lifetime warranty, but if that knife isn't being made anymore, it does you no good if you want to stay with that style of knife.
The quality of the steel is good, but it's not head and shoulders better than anything else out there. Look at the claims in the same way that you would look at Cold Steel claims. The Carbon V Trailmaster was claimed to be better than 95% of the bowies on the market. Impossible to prove or disprove.
As for the standing offer to all the other makers, why would they care? That's like me having a standard offer to beat anyone on this forum with a 50 lb bench press. People just laugh and dismiss such a claim. If you want to see how INFI stacks up for edge holding, go check out Ankerson's thread. 1800'ish cuts on rope is child's play for plenty of modern steels that could probably beat that by a factor of 10.
Nothing. INFI is a good steel, but I've found 3V to be just as tough for my needs with better edge holding.So.....What exactly is it a Busse can do that a 3v knife from Survive or BRKT can't? I'm talking about actual capability of the knife here, not "it can't look like a Busse" or some junk response like that.
Again, those companies make knives in appropriate sizes and designs for any ACTUAL use, and will do anything a Busse can.....Besides "look like a Busse."
Or it's viewed as a little dog yipping at big dogs as they walk by. Busse had to get his start somehow, and since they are heavy duty knives, getting attention is almost always a good thing. CS did the same type of stuff with it's Trailmaster.
Back in 2004/2005 I had to get rid of some aspen trees, 3 30 footers. I dropped and bucked them, then use both a CS Trailmaster and a Busse Battle Mistress to limb them, just to satisfy my curiosity. The Busse held a better edge, but not by much. Maybe 3 - 5 extra passes on the stone for the TM to get caught up in sharpness. Both did well, but it wasn't a huge difference - except in price.
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What the hell are you talking about man! I disparaged nothing. I don't think that word means what you think it does.
I like the looks of Esee and BRKT. I own most of the Esees and several BRKTs. Did you not see the picture? Those are my knives. I just like the Look of the TGLB better. And when did I comment on the look of multiple Busses? I think you are projecting your own dislike into an argument where it is simply not necessary, or even accurate for that matter.
You are the one putting down what other people find visually appealing. A bit childish don't you think?
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Sorry, but you are "factually wrong." Your opinion on what looks better was always entirely subjective. By elevating Busse over ESSE and BRKT's offerings, you are necessarily putting the others down based upon nothing more than your own peculiar tastes.
I don't hate most Busse knives so much as I do their ridiculously convoluted sales model, but that's not germane. When you invoke "looks" as a crucial differentiator in comparable products, even in jest, it's childish to expect everyone to just play along.
Some say looks of the Porsche 911 are iconic while others see little but an evolved VW Beetle on steroidsand most people don't even care either way. The value judgments on looks, all across the spectrum of opinion, says nothing about the performance merits of the underlying car.
So, you seem to be saying to me that if I find your visual taste in knives lacking that I shouldn't dare to laugh at it.
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So If I say I like something better than something else I am "disparaging" it. A bit of reach don't you think? Project your feels onto other much?
And yes, my opinion is subjective. Duh. That is the point and it can there for not be factually wrong. The only factually things wrong here are your comments about me "disparaging" knives and brands that I like and own. Also, trying to put words in my mouth about my love for multiple cartoonish Busses over these other brands (that I own and like BTW) didn't even happen. So there is that made up factually wrong argument you made right there. So go ahead and chastise, laugh at, and put down what other people like. It's childish but your are free to keep doing it. Not very becoming though.
Seems like you care way too much about what other people like. Sad really. It is clear you just want to argue and I'm not going to play that game with you right now so go ahead and post another witty retort. I won't be reading it. Ignore.
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I bought into the busse hype once before too. I own a couple. But swamp rats are much better, and even then they don't hold an edge any where close to cpm3v. My favorite knife right now is my gso5 from survive. Swamp rat is plenty tough, but it won't hold up as well as my 3v. I own several customs, bark rivers, survive, and busse. Survive and my customs get much more use then my busse's. I use my knives mainly for hunting, skinning, butchering animals. You can't go wrong with survive, although I would like an enki from knife research too.
I've got no horse in this race (don't own a busse), but I will say a few things.
I don't "really" have a problem with them calling steels by different names, as long as they tell you what it actually is (SR101, SR77, etc). I do have a slightly bigger issue with the fact that they changed what INFI was made of, but didn't bother changing the name to signify it (reportedly "new" INFI is different than "old" INFI). I'd have preferred that they be more upfront about it by perhaps calling it INFI 2.0 or something like that is all.
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Other than that, the only "negatives" (to me) of Busse seem to be the high price, the larger than my needs thickness/weight, and the fact that most come with choils (which "I" don't like). And for the record, I find it somewhat amusing that the TGLB is so popular, as "I" don't like upper guards for non-fighting knives, and "I" don't care for its looks.
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Busse does seem to cater towards those that view toughness as the greatest of all knife attributes, although there are other makers/steels out there that "should" be fairly comparable.
I guess since I don't feel the need/desire to chop on concrete, or cut up bolts/etc (let alone spend that much discretionary income for a knife) I'm not the target market for Busse, which makes them harder for me to understand. That's fine. Beyond that, I'm not sure why why everyone gets so angry :/.
I don't "really" have a problem with them calling steels by different names, as long as they tell you what it actually is (SR101, SR77, etc). I do have a slightly bigger issue with the fact that they changed what INFI was made of, but didn't bother changing the name to signify it (reportedly "new" INFI is different than "old" INFI). I'd have preferred that they be more upfront about it by perhaps calling it INFI 2.0 or something like that is all.
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Other than that, the only "negatives" (to me) of Busse seem to be the high price, the larger than my needs thickness/weight, and the fact that most come with choils (which "I" don't like). And for the record, I find it somewhat amusing that the TGLB is so popular, as "I" don't like upper guards for non-fighting knives, and "I" don't care for its looks.
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Busse does seem to cater towards those that view toughness as the greatest of all knife attributes, although there are other makers/steels out there that "should" be fairly comparable.
I guess since I don't feel the need/desire to chop on concrete, or cut up bolts/etc (let alone spend that much discretionary income for a knife) I'm not the target market for Busse, which makes them harder for me to understand. That's fine. Beyond that, I'm not sure why why everyone gets so angry :/.
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Thanks RBC; that's definitely a neat (old!) thread.
:thumbup: Wish the pics worked as well...One thing I remember reading about older Busse knives is that they were run at a higher hardness than the modern models; this would give them a performance increase that may have helped to create some of that "hype" that has carried on over the years.
The advantage with custom knives is that in a given steel I've often seen it run at higher HRC than that of a production blade in the same steel so that is a good enough reason to go with a custom maker versus buying a production blade IMHO.
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As close to the same warranty as a Busse......Spartan Knives. Call them and ask to speak to Curtis....their warranty is the same. I asked Curtis, would he replace my knife if I was digging a hole through concrete and somehow broke it prying or something....he said...and I quote. .."you don't even have to tell me what happened, just send it in and we will take care of you". Now I love me some Strider also...but try getting someone on the phone there. But Lycosa had a good point...Striders take all you give em...and DO stand by their warranty as well.
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No one said that huh? You seem to forget what you post. Right after you post it. Let me refresh your memory.
I said this:
So, what is INFI's "real", given name? I mean, since "INFI" is just a made up name for a perfectly good steel.
And you said this:
It is a made up name just like SR101 ( 52100) and SR77 (S7). We have had this discussion around here a few times and you can do research to find it if you want. It's no more a secret in the knife industry than "Carbon V" was. Good for you for believing that J. Busse invented a new grade of steel.I recall another company owner making similar claims about their steel. At least the Busse folks really do know how to make good knives and not just know marketing.
So, there it is, in your own words. Yes, this is getting a bit childish. I'm going to bow out. Have fun being "right".
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You really do have comprehension issues Antdog. Your statement:
My response, which is correct:
I never said it isn't a made up name for a real steel. I have said it is and I still say it. I've said it in other threads on the same topic. Do some research into that. Quit making up gibberish about what you think other people are saying and pay attention to what others are saying. We don't need translators or having you talk for us in the most drama compelling fashion you can think of. If you want to argue fine, do it as an adult though.
My response, which is correct:
I never said it isn't a made up name for a real steel. I have said it is and I still say it. I've said it in other threads on the same topic. Do some research into that. Quit making up gibberish about what you think other people are saying and pay attention to what others are saying. We don't need translators or having you talk for us in the most drama compelling fashion you can think of. If you want to argue fine, do it as an adult though.