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Getting silly now.
Well, first, there is nothing comparable to INFI in overall performance. There are better steels at specific things like corrosion resistance and edge holding, but when you combine those two with toughness and lateral strength, no nothing compares. Even S7 is not as tough. S5 is closer to INFI in toughness. And both are tougher than S7 which is tougher than 3V. I know because I have owned all these steels and used them.
As for SR101 and SR77, there is a lot of misinformation rolling around that they are renamed 52100 and S7. Well that is pure BS as well. They are their own steel with slightly different formula. Same person commented that INFI is also a made up name for a known steel. That is a straight out lie because INFI's chemical formula is known and there is no other steel like it.
As for what I would get if the Busse and kin were not available. There are several custom makers who can make a great product for under $500 out of S7 or cpm3V. I would go there first and probably Survive knives as well. Then at a much lower price point ESEE is an awesome choice with a warranty that is fully the equal of Busse.
The first paragraph. Charpy test results or complete H.S.? In my experience 3V is extremely tough, have never had it rust and holds an edge better than most. Plus I can get it in knives that cost $100 and aren't ground with obtuse edges.Well, first, there is nothing comparable to INFI in overall performance. There are better steels at specific things like corrosion resistance and edge holding, but when you combine those two with toughness and lateral strength, no nothing compares. Even S7 is not as tough. S5 is closer to INFI in toughness. And both are tougher than S7 which is tougher than 3V. I know because I have owned all these steels and used them.
As for SR101 and SR77, there is a lot of misinformation rolling around that they are renamed 52100 and S7. Well that is pure BS as well. They are their own steel with slightly different formula. Same person commented that INFI is also a made up name for a known steel. That is a straight out lie because INFI's chemical formula is known and there is no other steel like it.
As for what I would get if the Busse and kin were not available. There are several custom makers who can make a great product for under $500 out of S7 or cpm3V. I would go there first and probably Survive knives as well. Then at a much lower price point ESEE is an awesome choice with a warranty that is fully the equal of Busse.
This is the kind of hype that so many object to, myself included. Back up your assertions with actual testing and numbers and then we'll talk. Otherwise, someone else will just say that based on their testing, 3V is stronger and tougher. And we're back at square one.Well, first, there is nothing comparable to INFI in overall performance. There are better steels at specific things like corrosion resistance and edge holding, but when you combine those two with toughness and lateral strength, no nothing compares. Even S7 is not as tough. S5 is closer to INFI in toughness. And both are tougher than S7 which is tougher than 3V. I know because I have owned all these steels and used them.
So what are the chemical formulas then? I've seen it stated many times that SR101 is 52100 with a special heat treat - which means it's simply 52100. If it isn't 52100, then what is it?As for SR101 and SR77, there is a lot of misinformation rolling around that they are renamed 52100 and S7. Well that is pure BS as well. They are their own steel with slightly different formula. Same person commented that INFI is also a made up name for a known steel. That is a straight out lie because INFI's chemical formula is known and there is no other steel like it.
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Well, first, there is nothing comparable to INFI in overall performance. There are better steels at specific things like corrosion resistance and edge holding, but when you combine those two with toughness and lateral strength, no nothing compares. Even S7 is not as tough. S5 is closer to INFI in toughness. And both are tougher than S7 which is tougher than 3V. I know because I have owned all these steels and used them
As for SR101 and SR77, there is a lot of misinformation rolling around that they are renamed 52100 and S7. Well that is pure BS as well. They are their own steel with slightly different formula. Same person commented that INFI is also a made up name for a known steel. That is a straight out lie because INFI's chemical formula is known and there is no other steel like it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Cobalt, you seem to confuse facts with opinions.
This is an opinion:
Not a fact at all.
I've used all of them except S5 and I disagree with you. J. Busse disagrees with you too about S7 not being as tough. They have stated that Infi wasn't as tough as S7.
Got to disagree with these too.
Because you don't know what steel Infi was/is doesn't mean it doesn't match/fall within ......
I've seen two different comps so far given and one falls in the range of an off the shelf steel. Naturally I didn't do or see the testing that gave that composition posted so I really can't vouch for it's accuracy, but only that those specs matched a steel already in use and made by a company with a plant at Waseon ( sp?). Of course that company has a different owner now too but they still exist and are tied in with the rest of the companies now owned by Carpenter ( including Crucible too now)
With a proprietary steel anything could be called Infi by the owner. It could have been different steels and I don't mean just Infi, and Infi(mod).
1. Where has Jerry made the challenge contest difficult for other knife makers?
2. Where did Busse state that SR101 and 52100 are the same? Where did he state that SR77 and S7 are the same
3. What off the shelf steel(designation) is used in INFI? I know it's not A8 or cpm3V. So what other steel is it? It has to have a designation?
Ok, I guess I misunderstood, it was in the same context with Carbon V "secret", and that was no secret being on Busse website (SR101 and SR77). So, yeah they invented new name for standard spec steels, but the spec was no secret.Hello Gator. I don't recall saying they claimed to invent the SR101 or SR77. I stated they invented or made up names for perfectly good steels, which they did.
Yeah, which is why I pointed out that unlike Carbon V both SR-s were known from the get go.I also gave " Carbon V" as an example.
I don't doubt that. As it is, Busses are designed for extreme abuse, and it's not difficult to find knives that will cut better and have more wear resistance. I have a plenty myself. What i was pointing out was the controversies and debates around broken BRKT replacements complications with replacements. Haven't seen things like that with Busse. I don't recall any broken Busses either, except for one skeleton key which was bent 90deg. Don't have BRKT or ESEE to bend, probably I wouldn'tIf you compare them to BRKT you also need to consider they are built to different standards. The average not as tough BRKT will cut circles around the average Busse that is tougher.
Yup. OP was asking about Busse equivalents, so certain knives would be excluded from comparisions, since Busses have rather specialized profile.They are designed for different purposes just like the steels they are made of are designed for different things.