broke my izula :(

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Awesome link.:thumbup:
i'm going to order one tonight.
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might want to order more than one;)
when I got mine, I couldn't put it down, and wished I had
ordered more. I feel like I need to have one in each bag/kit
etc. They are handy fun little tools...

oct
 
october said:
might want to order more than one;)
when I got mine, I couldn't put it down, and wished I had
ordered more. I feel like I need to have one in each bag/kit
etc. They are handy fun little tools...

oct
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ill probably get the pocket size and 2incher. for like 4 bucks it looks useable.
 
adaman04 said:


Yes....yes, you should have.

Can I ask an honest question and get an honest answer? When you pulled it out did you think "I shouldn't do this.....but if I break it, they'll warranty it." Knives aren't prybars or screwdrivers.
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If you look at how far down the tip it snapped and consider the small handle I can't figure out how it happened. If you think of the torque applied to the point where the blade contacted the wood (where it snapped) as t=rF i just can't see how he was able to put enough pressure with his arm to snap the blade. Look around on websites and you see people actually jumping up and down on much longer knives without breaking them.

Now if he used his legs, his body weight, threw a pipe on the handle or just stood on the damn thing it would be different.


R.A.T. said:
The problem I see with is is it leads others to think it's "cool" to break a knife, thus making it acceptable to abuse a warranty. Like I said, I see no reason for it, but then again I never did care for the movie Jackass when the guy does stupid stuff and films himself doing it.
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I entirely agree. From a business standpoint you can't have people having contests to see who can break a knife the fastest or whatever. There is nothing "cool" about busting your tools but sometimes it just happens.

The op realized his mistake, I figure if nothing else its a learning experience for us all.
 
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I learned not to use a knife as a pry bar when I was 10 with a buck 110.I once threw a buck knife at a tree and it broke.I couldn't believe how easy it broke.They hold a mean edge but kinda weak steel.

I seen the destruction test of the esee-4 and thats all I need to know.

Having said that and seen that I still won't use it as a prybar.
 
all hood allen said:
Awesome link.:thumbup:
i'm going to order one tonight.
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Enjoy :thumbup:


october said:
might want to order more than one;)
when I got mine, I couldn't put it down, and wished I had
ordered more. I feel like I need to have one in each bag/kit
etc. They are handy fun little tools...

oct
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I would agree - plus shipping is a bit heavy so it makes sense to place a good sized order (which is pretty easy considering how addictive that site is...)
 
R.A.T. said:
No hard for me to believe at all. Anything can be broken with enough force. Our knives are no different than anyone else's.
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That's right, and then you have people who are one I.Q. point above plant life, who can fork up a steel ball with a rubber hammer. I'm not saying that's the case here at all because I have no clue, but there are people out there like that.
 
Sean_mohsen said:
i was not using the knife for the purpose of cutting but trying to open a wooden box and broke the blade of the knife i should have just grabbed a damn prybar but i edc the izula and it was convent just wondering what do i do now
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IMO, you answered your own question in the first sentence. Then you reaffirmed your answer in the second sentence.

You were using a small knife as a pry bar.

"What should you do now", you ask? Simple.........

You should buy another knife and remember it is not a pry bar. Chalk it up to a learning experience, we all have them; this is not a warranty issue.

You broke the knife doing something with it that, in the wildest dreams of it's design; was never meant to be done with it.

And unless the heat treat and/or RC is found to be way off the mark... this is just a simple case of abuse.

And to be clear.... I am not singling you out as a "knife abuser". I have no doubt you did not do it on purpose. Stuff happens to us all, hopefully we all learn from those things, hopefully in this case... you have too.

Best of luck........ :)
 
rayban said:
You never thought you could break a knife by using it as a crowbar?????????
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R.A.T. said:
Use this form: http://www.eseeknives.com/warranty.htm
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R.A.T. said:
Personally, I don't care to glorify broken knives. It's not some rite of passage to break an ESEE knife. In the end, broken knives almost always result from someone using a knife foolishly, and I see no badge of merit from that.
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R.A.T. said:
The problem I see with is is it leads others to think it's "cool" to break a knife, thus making it acceptable to abuse a warranty. Like I said, I see no reason for it, but then again I never did care for the movie Jackass when the guy does stupid stuff and films himself doing it.
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R.A.T. said:
No hard for me to believe at all. Anything can be broken with enough force. Our knives are no different than anyone else's.
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rayban said:
But the question they all have in mind is, will you still honor the "no questions asked" warranty, even tho you know the knife was used in a manner it wasn't meant for?
My guess is, yes you will...this time......but how long will you go on honoring such foolishness?
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Just my opinion on the ESEE Warranty and the responsibilities of the company as well as the user.

This is not directed at the OP, it is directed to all of us as ESEE users.

I think the ESEE Warranty goes light years beyond "fair".

IMO the company should modify the warranty to exclude outright abuse. Anything can be broken. Knives are not crow bars. I can break any knife I own, no matter who made it; if I choose to.

Knives are made to cut, prying is not cutting; simple as that.

Do I pry with some of my knives sometimes, sure I do. BUT, if I break it I do not expect the company or maker to warranty it.... unless there is an extreme problem with the heat treat or temper..... and that would be a rare exception, if it ever happened at all.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I totally agree with what I have quoted above that 'Jeff' and 'rayban' said.

I am one of the people that want to see a picture of a broken knife. BUT, not to "glorify it", but to try and figure out just how in the world it happened.
I like to "see" the wrecks in NASCAR also, when they happen. BUT, I sure don't hope they happen so I can see them.

We as users of ESEE, or any knife for that matter; should be respectful of the company or maker. We should not just abuse the hell out of a knife, way beyond it's limits; just because we know we can get a new one if it breaks.

IMO, that is "ignorance gone to seed"; and taking complete unfair advantage of a company or maker that is trying to do right by their customers.

Are their legitimate failures of a knife at times? Probably. But if you buy from a good company or maker... this is a rare exception.

So, in conclusion..... We as users have a just as much responsibility, if not more; to the quality company or maker.... as they have to us.

The end............ :thumbup:

Oh yeah, I have never broken a knife and I have been using knives for well over 50 years. ;)
 
well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so this isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the feel where this thread has gone. Obviously the warranty (as it stands) isn't detrimental to ESEE'S profit margin, or it wouldn't exist. Don't miss the part earlier where I said that I bought my first ESEE after reading this thread and being so impressed with the warranty. This means I may very well purchase more ESEE knives, gear, and accessories.

I like the "no questions asked" part...A warranty is like The Constitution, never a shortage of those ready to trample over it.

If I may add, I've seen a lot of shelf queens on here, no chance they'll get broken anyway. :) Thanks ESEE for the great warranty (as it is)
 
R.A.T. said:
The problem I see with is is it leads others to think it's "cool" to break a knife, thus making it acceptable to abuse a warranty.
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+1 Props to Jeff. The point of my post was everything will break if you abuse it.

Use that tool between your ears and you'll be fine.
 
teacher said:
IMO the company should modify the warranty to exclude outright abuse. Anything can be broken. Knives are not crow bars. I can break any knife I own, no matter who made it; if I choose to.

Knives are made to cut, prying is not cutting; simple as that.
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See here is my problem with what your saying. Prying may or may not be outright abuse. IMO knives are general use tools, ever the poorest quality knife cannot be broken by cutting alone. If a knife breaks as I'm prying a rubber grommet from a fitting is that abuse? Hell no, my fingernail would work just as well. Then again if you were trying to pry a cinder block from a wall, it would be something different.

ESEE has the no questions warranty for a reason and I know your post was just trying to protect them from being taken advantage of and to insure they remain a successful company for years to come, however I need to communicate to you that your opinions could very quickly have to opposite effect.

I buy all my ESEE knives from a Canadian online dealer who I won't drag into this thread. He chose to carry ESEE because of their warranty and boasts it whenever he has the opportunity. When I first heard about their knives (through him) I stright up asked him "do they actually honor this no questions asked warranty" his reply was "I wouln't carry them if they didn't"

I believe him too, he only carries about 5 brands. So teacher when you make a comment
the company should modify the warranty to exclude outright abuse
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it scares the hell out of me to think of logging on to see them removed due to the actions of a few people who purposely damaged their knives.

Bladeforums members are but a small portion of their consumer base. You will always have one A-hole who will take advantage followed by 1000 who won't. Somewhere down the line this had to have been factored in. Please ESEE don't change your warranty.
 
I'd say let R.A.T. run his company like he wants to and don't worry about it.

As for the original poster, learn from your mistakes. And go with your conscience.

I did something stupid with one of my ESEE's. I asked ESEE to fix it, told them how stupid i had been, and offered to pay full price for the fix. They insisted on fixing it under warranty. As a result, I have ended up buying more ESEE's, because when I see one I like, but think, "I need another knife like I need another hole in my head," then I say to myself, "You know, they really went above and beyond for your stupidity. Just buy it and consider it money well spent on a good company." Maybe I'm the only one who thinks like that. And in reality, the knives I have bought I probably would have bought anyway, even if they hadn't fixed my stupidity. BUT, the fact they went above and beyond for me sticks in the back of my mind. And they did it RIGHT. I've had other warranty work on various things by other companies that by the time it was done, I almost wished I'd just thrown the thing away. ESEE and Rowen not only have a good warranty, they run a tight ship. They do what they say, WHEN they say, and that's that. Their warranty didn't bring me in, but it certainly keeps me coming back. And because they fixed my stupidity so well and so quickly, I respect their knives more than just about any other brand I own.

Sorry, guess i kinda rambled there a bit. :o
 
That mini pry bar really is nice and a good investment.

One of my most common carry setups is an izula, SAK, and one of those pry bars. The pry bar gets more use than I thought it would. Anytime I don't want to damage/dull a blade it comes out.

In addition to not wrecking your izula, it's a little safer - a little slip and a sharp knife can do some damage...

G
 
The last knife I castrophicly broke was from a very well respected company and I'm sure if I wanted too I could have claimed warrenty but it was cronic abuse that I was doing at the time. I was too embarrassed to claim warrenty for doing something that stupid.
Carl
 
I've mentioned in another thread that the warranty brought me in the door, but the quality is what is going to keep me ordering more.

As for wanting to see photos, i think this is valid. This knife broke further from the tip than i expected it would have. Seeing the aftermath of a failure can teach you how you're blade may fail if you have to use it to its limits.

I don't personally abuse knives, i've never warrantied a knife, and only broken one tiip. We shouldn't glorify abuse of knives but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be interested in the failure mode they display. As a general knife enthusiast (as all of us here presumably are) its similar to seeing a picture of the aftermath of, say, a racing accident with no injuries.

I never want to see a knife broken, but i do want to see a broken knife when it does happen.

-- Adam
 
TWBryan said:
After reading through this thread,I'm glad I bought a Becker.
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i love all my beckers too. i think becker gives you the basic hard use knife at a lower cost, with means for customization. thats why you see so many people doing their thing and making handles for them.

where ESEE gives you the final product, all finished and ready. <which is why they cost a little more.>

either way you get a high value knife, that wants to be used.

ESEE and kabar have the same basic warranty. any knife from either company was made to be tested in really life circumstances.

if your like me and love both companies...buy the BK14:thumbup:
 
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