Buck 110 damascus blade

karesz68 said:
Sorry Dave but I must disagree with you!
My opinion is real damascus exist in the museums only and probably few collector owns it.They wort a fortune of money.The way of processing is totally lost.There is some theories,but the fact is till now, nobody shure what type of steel has been used in these products,or what was the exact forging technik.Nowdays few skilled blacksmiths can reply the surface of the damascus steel.But that is all.The nowday damascus,and acient damascus dont have anything common structually.The problem is ther is only few remains and these are higly valuable,so nobody let the scientists to cut a piece from it and start to analyse it.In 2006 a german scientist grup published an article,they might discover the secret of damascus steel.Briefly:There theory is:(after analise a few really small piece of dam steel)the nano tubes are responsabile for the incredibile properties of the steel.the nano tubes formed during the low temperature forgeing.
So everybody can stick one of the theorys,what is the real damascus,but for me damascus is a legendary steelt hat has been lost.I belive when we the mankind will be able to reproduce the original,we gonna get something we never have it before:the blade can cut other steels like butter,or the rock ,or even piece of flyig silk as the legend says!
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ahhh what you refer to is woots steel...
currently made in the usa by a man in florida named of Pendray.. i have seen his steel as a blade and it looks nothing like what we normanly refer to as damascus.,,.the Pendray blade i handled was the sharpest thing i have ever handled except for glass shards! no i did not cut hair off my arm with it...not me :rolleyes: i took the very top layer of skin and leaked spots of blood for over an hr...
Damascus which is what we did call forge welded steel
[[which the french made 200 years ago]]...
here the word for "damascus" steel has taken on the common defenation of any steel that has patern lines which are the result of the mix or blending of differing steels.. hence "stainless damascus" which is not froged welded
as to the old wootz from india ...
there was a functional test of blade agenst blade agenst blade paid for by a rich man once... he took a forged welded balde from germany in the same date span as a wootz from the mid east...
i cant recall the sharpness test or its results...
but putting blade with force agenst blade the german blade won... the one from the mid east broke...this stuck in my mind as a suprising facttoid. as to sharp ...
sword to sword if your breaks does it mater if mine is a tad duller?

as to what the nantubes do ...some have examed them and feel they may be over rated on the streanth issues...
here is a great link to read on wootz ...
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9809/Verhoeven-9809.html

other info: John Verhoeven, a metallurgist at Iowa State University at Ames who has worked on reproducing the Damascus sword-making techniques, is skeptical that Paufler and his colleagues have cracked the secret of Damascus blades. "I don't think that [the nanowires] are anything unusual," Verhoeven said. "I think those structures would be found in normal steels."
and another says "...many researchers are studying how to recreate the blades—even though metallurgical experts warn that the blades, though exceptional for their time, are far outperformed by modern steels.

so what if s30v or 154cpm and bg42 will out preform wootz..:eek:
that blade by Mr. Pendray was like that song
"some kind of wonderfull" ...
yes it was all that and a big bag of chips! ;)
here we say " old school is cool" :cool:
 
Thank you for the hint!But where can I find them?Is it a web site or what?
By the way:I contacted Buck custom throught Edna as Dave sugesested ,regarding order a custom knife.She read my message,but the reply takes so much effort,so she did not.This was my second try to reach buck company,first time via there official buck web site.Same resolt!The meaning of this,(for me) they dont give a d..s.. for a forigner guy,from some no name country!
 
334dave said:
ahhh what you refer to is woots steel...
currently made in the usa by a man in florida named of Pendray.. i have seen his steel as a blade and it looks nothing like what we normanly refer to as damascus.,,.the Pendray blade i handled was the sharpest thing i have ever handled except for glass shards! no i did not cut hair off my arm with it...not me :rolleyes: i took the very top layer of skin and leaked spots of blood for over an hr...
Damascus which is what we did call forge welded steel
[[which the french made 200 years ago]]...
here the word for "damascus" steel has taken on the common defenation of any steel that has patern lines which are the result of the mix or blending of differing steels.. hence "stainless damascus" which is not froged welded
as to the old wootz from india ...
there was a functional test of blade agenst blade agenst blade paid for by a rich man once... he took a forged welded balde from germany in the same date span as a wootz from the mid east...
i cant recall the sharpness test or its results...
but putting blade with force agenst blade the german blade won... the one from the mid east broke...this stuck in my mind as a suprising facttoid. as to sharp ...
sword to sword if your breaks does it mater if mine is a tad duller?

as to what the nantubes do ...some have examed them and feel they may be over rated on the streanth issues...
here is a great link to read on wootz ...
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9809/Verhoeven-9809.html

other info: John Verhoeven, a metallurgist at Iowa State University at Ames who has worked on reproducing the Damascus sword-making techniques, is skeptical that Paufler and his colleagues have cracked the secret of Damascus blades. "I don't think that [the nanowires] are anything unusual," Verhoeven said. "I think those structures would be found in normal steels."
and another says "...many researchers are studying how to recreate the blades—even though metallurgical experts warn that the blades, though exceptional for their time, are far outperformed by modern steels.

so what if s30v or 154cpm and bg42 will out preform wootz..:eek:
that blade by Mr. Pendray was like that song
"some kind of wonderfull" ...
yes it was all that and a big bag of chips! ;)
here we say " old school is cool" :cool:
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Would be interesting comparsion for shure!
And yes you are right about the woots,but the woots is just one of the possibile steel source that might been used in the dam steel..
Many of them belive the reason damascus lost,is they where not able to get that type of steel any more.
But another fact,the forging tech that time was not avilabile for download on the net so perhaps was more than 1 tech,and more than 1 kind of steel source.That way is possibile some of our talented blacksmith can create something really close to the"real" one.Same like in Japan ,different master different steel, diff set of layers,diff forging=all of them are jap sword
 
karesz68 said:
...I contacted Buck custom throught Edna as Dave sugesested ,regarding order a custom knife.She read my message,but the reply takes so much effort,so she did not.This was my second try to reach buck company,first time via there official buck web site.Same resolt!The meaning of this,(for me) they dont give a d..s.. for a forigner guy,from some no name country!
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nay nay ke-mo-sob-e ... but they do! they realy do !
jest ask Haebbie...
besides ... any thing worth haveing is worth wateing for!
[some thing my mama used to tell me..}
as you found from cabellas- some countrys busness here can not ship to...
it is likely that Ena is checking on that rather then say yes or no and be wrong...
last time i chated with her she had jest got back from famley breavement leave and was trying to catch up on things were she was off for a few weeks ...:(
Pete is a life saver to her but still there are things take two and things she has to do...;)
least you worry- i also find my self wateing some times but things come on through.. but then- None of my orders are easy ... so i dont mind wateing...
remember buck is still training personal...oh yes! people advance ...
.. and because personal are moveing around ... [[if you have a good worker ya know some else wants that person and will steal them from your dept!]]]
so one departments gain is anothers loss! :eek:
and some one new has to be trained... it will work ...
some times the diffcult takes a little longer...
jest like the custom shop is not on the web yet ... there was bugs in the program that crashed the site...
i think it's the same bugs that goose an darrelS have crawling on their sigs!! :eek:
 
334dave said:
nay nay ke-mo-sob-e ... but they do! they realy do !
jest ask Haebbie...
besides ... any thing worth haveing is worth wateing for!
[some thing my mama used to tell me..}
as you found from cabellas- some countrys busness here can not ship to...
it is likely that Ena is checking on that rather then say yes or no and be wrong...
last time i chated with her she had jest got back from famley breavement leave and was trying to catch up on things were she was off for a few weeks ...:(
Pete is a life saver to her but still there are things take two and things she has to do...;)
least you worry- i also find my self wateing some times but things come on through.. but then- None of my orders are easy ... so i dont mind wateing...
remember buck is still training personal...oh yes! people advance ...
.. and because personal are moveing around ... [[if you have a good worker ya know some else wants that person and will steal them from your dept!]]]
so one departments gain is anothers loss! :eek:
and some one new has to be trained... it will work ...
some times the diffcult takes a little longer...
jest like the custom shop is not on the web yet ... there was bugs in the program that crashed the site...
i think it's the same bugs that goose an darrelS have crawling on their sigs!! :eek:
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The first try to make a contact with them was six months ago,that time custom shop was in effect on there old website
 
For most tasks a person will do with a folder,,,,The standard Buck steel in a Wally world 110 is perfect....
 
Fair enough!But I want to try the S30 V steel long time,and if you dont mine wih to do that with my favorite folder!
 
karesz68 said:
I tryed to purchase,but the shipping is restricted to my country!!!
Stacked again!!!
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Holy How Now Brown Cow...you don't read my posts or think I'm just full of sheet?

I mentioned earlier, if you need a shipment, have the product shipped to me and I will then send it to you for FREE.
(of course, I am talking onesy twosey stuff. I'm not a clearing house. And, in case Postal Inspectors or ATF are reading this, I would only ship legally purchased retail items)

Would a face like this lie or steal from you??? If you think so, then I know of others that would help a fellow Buck collector out.
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BTW, "ATF..all make fine gifts".
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Not at all!But utill my membership is not done,is not a case to talk about.
But this story is about that company called cabelas.They selling 110 with S30 V,just leasy ship to me.So if you willing to get a knife like that,and ship to me.That efort would greatly appreciate(I hope spell it right).I can pay you with paypal,even in advance!
 
I feel for karesz68. Alot of guys are not willing to ship out of the U.S., because deliveries of parcels can be unreliable, at best. My last sell off of Bucks went world-wide, luckily without incident. I sent everything USPS global priority with insurance, to Japan, Italy, Spain, France & Germany. The knives spent some time in Customs, but all made it to their destinations. I don't have a spare S30V 110 right now :(, sorry.
 
karesz68 said:
Not at all!But utill my membership is not done,is not a case to talk about.
But this story is about that company called cabelas.They selling 110 with S30 V,just leasy ship to me.So if you willing to get a knife like that,and ship to me.That efort would greatly appreciate(I hope spell it right).I can pay you with paypal,even in advance!
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Have you checked out the famous auction site? I know there are some there from time to time. Also there was one listed here in the Buck sale forum!
I dont know if its still there?
 
if you mean E-bay,yes I did,because the kind of guys like me,this is almost the only source to get a BUCK.But you know how it is does not matter if the say NIB,you still not the first owner,when you get a brand new knife,is totally dif feeling
 
Scott Hartman said:
I feel for karesz68. Alot of guys are not willing to ship out of the U.S., because deliveries of parcels can be unreliable, at best. My last sell off of Bucks went world-wide, luckily without incident. I sent everything USPS global priority with insurance, to Japan, Italy, Spain, France & Germany. The knives spent some time in Customs, but all made it to their destinations. I don't have a spare S30V 110 right now :(, sorry.
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There is just a fact of miscom,to ship overseas is safe trackable,nothing to worry about.I do lots of buying on E-bay.
Only diff is when you ship out of the US you have to go to the post off,to fil the costum dec form,that you can do on internet.
 
karesz68 said:
if you mean E-bay,yes I did,because the kind of guys like me,this is almost the only source to get a BUCK.But you know how it is does not matter if the say NIB,you still not the first owner,when you get a brand new knife,is totally dif feeling
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Unfortunately for most guys who collect discontinued knives etc. that is the place where we find most of them. Pre-owned doesnt necessarily mean used junk ;)

Besides maybe I'm just easy but I like getting any knife ;) same feeling either way :D
 
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