Buck Marksman, looking for comments...

jbmonkey said:
you didnt ask me but i tell ya why i dislike tantos. 4 edges to sharpen instead of only 2. if you dont mind being extra careful per edge its not so bad...but if you try to sharpen two edges per side it ruins the division and turns it into a single edge with a hard turned belly over time. i also find no real use for it as stabbing isnt a task i do with any folder and really have no use in any knife other than a pig sticker per say.:)
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Thanks. I had not really considered the extra work involved in sharpening a tanto so that is food for thought. I agree that puncturing and not damaging your tip is where a tanto excels and I also agree that that is really the job for a fixed blade knife. Good thing I like the look of both blades. I kind of like the black washed tanto treatment but overall I prefer a nice stone washed look.
 
^i own many tantos and use them but just prefer other blade shapes. i find other blade shapes like drop point as a random example much more useful for the tasks i do the most.
 
I really think that my interest in the Marksman is purely because I have never owned a flipper and I wanted to get one and I figured why not get an interesting one with a heritage, one with some good steel and one which also happened to be a serious example of this style of knife? The Marksman seems to fill all of those qualifications.
For the longest time I more or less wondered why anyone would want or need a flipper but I think I have got a better picture in my mind now. I am starting to think that comparing a flipper to any other folder is kind of like comparing portable tools with attached power cords to battery operated portable tools. I also see the great benefit of easy to open or assisted/auto open knives for people with physical disabilities or with arthritis who still want to use a pocket knife but who otherwise could not open a regular folding knife.
 
jbmonkey said:
true. it is the only one currently made? right?

it is a neat lock. unique and strong.

sassafrassdogs sassafrassdogs i have a couple of those boker g&g griplocs. also a very neat lock and design. this buck g&g hawk design is top notch.
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I'd say it's the only one like it, that's for sure. It's a unique take on the design. But at heart, it's the same basic technnology as the Okapi, traditional locking navajas, and the Cold Steel Kudu (an Okapi knockoff), all of which are being made today (and none of whose locks I would trust like I would the Marksman).

Zieg
 
moray campbell said:
I also see the great benefit of easy to open or assisted/auto open knives for people with physical disabilities or with arthritis who still want to use a pocket knife but who otherwise could not open a regular folding knife.
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There's also just the plain 'cool' factor of the auto:cool: I carry the 898 Impact most every day. It's the one on the bottom, 110 auto in the middle, the limited edition 898 on top. Preston
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Are the Buck 830 and 831 Marksman assembled with any thread lock on the fixing screws? Also will Buck sell a set of fresh screws for the knife?

another question about the 830 in particular I saw a couple of videos where there were negative comments about the thickness of the blade behind the edge along with their being very little taper of the spine toward the tip then I saw that there were other videos where it was said to be just fine and not an issue. So did Buck make a change to the blade grind profile and if so in what year of production did that take place? Thank you.

PS: or perhaps this was a grind done on a Monday morning?
 
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moray campbell said:
Are the Buck 830 and 831 Marksman assembled with any thread lock on the fixing screws? Also will Buck sell a set of fresh screws for the knife?

another question about the 830 in particular I saw a couple of videos where there were negative comments about the thickness of the blade behind the edge along with their being very little taper of the spine toward the tip then I saw that there were other videos where it was said to be just fine and not an issue. So did Buck make a change to the blade grind profile and if so in what year of production did that take place? Thank you.
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I dont recall any change. Probably just opinions from different reviewers.
 
Ok so I went back and found a video by The Apostle who did a review on the Marksman 830 and he did a quick and dirty measured of the thickness of the blade stock just behind the edge. At the edge closest to the pivot the stock the thickness behind the edge was 0.05" then about two thirds of the way toward the tip it measured 0.046" and at the tip it measured 0.080" and the blade stock itself at the spine measured 0.116".
What I want to know is if this is a reasonable representation of the grind on a typical production Marksman 830?
 
Why don't you buy one and find all your questions out for yourself, I think you have asked every possible question that could be asked and I do believe you have gotten every possible answer you could get?
 
Who just goes out and buys one of everything that they are curious about to see if it's what they actually want? I like to ask questions and find out things but you seem frustrated for some reason. All I can say is if that is the case perhaps you stop reading this thread.
I don't think that Buck has made any profile changes to the Marksman over the time that this knife has been in production (so far as I have learned) and I am still looking to find out if the general profile of the 830 blade fits with what was measured on the one in the video or not. The profile being thick at the tip is not a deal breaker for me, I just want to know if the one in the video is a poor example or if that is in fact the norm for this knife, that's all.
There is not much in depth info on line about the Marksman (I have been looking) and this forum is my best chance to learn about it from people who own one. I have about covered all of the things that I wanted to know and I have already learned enough to make a decision about the knife.
Having all of this info in a thread here on the form is at the very least a good resource for others who are interested or who might not even known about the Marksman and who might now be interested in this knife as a result of this discussion. Thanks, I do appreciate all the help that has been provide here.
 
First off, I will read whatever I want to! I'm a paying member of this forum and I see you're not! Not that makes a big difference but it's not your place to tell me what to read and what not to! I hate to be around if you ever bought a car or a house...Your asking questions from people who have gone out and bought one, sure check it out before you buy, I'm surprised you haven't asked who designed it and wanted to see their credentials. I think you have asked everything that can be asked? That's why I said buy one and find the rest of your answers out for yourself which is going to be more reliable than what you're going to see on youtube or even from the people here, don't you think?

So are you going to buy a Marksman? I hope you do and like it, we would all like to see pictures of it...

P.S. I did find it interesting also...
 
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You must be mistaking your gold membership with the gold star that they give to the forum "too many questions police man". You can read what ever you like including my posts or not. If you don't want to read my posts there is a button you can use to take care of that. I did not ask you to whine to me about my post bothering you. What is the point/purpose in that? I am just trying to have a discussion and to learn some information which is probably the prime reason for these forums.
To just go out and buying one, well things are sometimes not so simple as that. You are right though about on line information and I do appreciate you pointing that out not just to me but also as many readers don't seem to realize that is a very good piece of information thank you for that. So you have to stack the odds in your favor and I think that by asking questions here it is about as good a place as there is and Buck don't always offer up as much info as you might like, been there done that though they are great really kind gracious and very well intention-ed, I really do like the online chat service at their web site. I have also gone to the effort to reach the people behind some of the videos and some have been kind enough to get back to me as have some others in the industry. I am trying to ask nicely and respectfully.
You mentioned that you "did" find the Marksman interesting am I to assume that you no longer have your Marksman? If that is the case I would be interested (and I am sure other readers also would be) to know what it was which lead to you giving it up? Most of the negative comments I have read have been of folks getting bit one too many times during an unsuccessful deployment and the other major group of dislikes were the result of an inadequate lock up detent. The first probably comes down to user error and some just not willing or able to keep there fingers out of the way and that's a fine reason because no one want to get cut and I would feel the same way too if I find myself in that group.The second problem is for the most part I think one of set up. Never the less even when properly set up I get the impression that the Marksman might be a knife that would not take too much coaxing to make it open up. But first hand accounts that I have read so far people seem to think t hat the detent is not bad or something to be overly concerned about and that a little adjustment will solve the problem. I would appreciate your view on this if you would like to offer them up here. All of this I will find both interesting and useful. If I get a picture I will be happy to post it here. I can appreciate your frustration but perhaps you can appreciate mine, I don't get to hold this or to see this in my hand and I can't really afford to make a mistake. I just want to get this right. I hope I do too and I also hope that I don't just like it I hope I love it!
 
I don't have one and was interested in looking into one after reading the responses, I'm a little reserved now too many questions about it. I am not the question police...It's you have been asking questions for 4 days now? That's why I mentioned getting one and if you don't like it sell on the Buck Knives for Sale sub-forum. The information you get by owning one would be a lot more valuable than asking for someone else's opinion and that's all it is an opinion, and if you're offended because I said something too bad, I was trying to help you...

I hope if and when you do get one, you'll love it and we'd love to see the pictures. We're all from the show-me state...Ha!Ha!

Don
 
moray campbell said:
Ok so I went back and found a video by The Apostle who did a review on the Marksman 830 and he did a quick and dirty measured of the thickness of the blade stock just behind the edge. At the edge closest to the pivot the stock the thickness behind the edge was 0.05" then about two thirds of the way toward the tip it measured 0.046" and at the tip it measured 0.080" and the blade stock itself at the spine measured 0.116".
What I want to know is if this is a reasonable representation of the grind on a typical production Marksman 830?
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While I'm too lazy to measure with my caliper the blades look good and even in my eyes.
 
so maybe this was just a case of badly ground blade or some badly ground blades? That in itself is encouraging. Like Forest Gump said "moma always said that life was like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get". Thanks.
 
You have studied just about everything there is online. There isn't the following of the model like there is of say a 110 or 112. Multiple people recommended getting one, pick a blade style and jump in,
 
moray campbell said:
You must be mistaking your gold membership with the gold star that they give to the forum "too many questions police man". You can read what ever you like including my posts or not. If you don't want to read my posts there is a button you can use to take care of that. I did not ask you to whine to me about my post bothering you. What is the point/purpose in that? I am just trying to have a discussion and to learn some information which is probably the prime reason for these forums.
To just go out and buying one, well things are sometimes not so simple as that. You are right though about on line information and I do appreciate you pointing that out not just to me but also as many readers don't seem to realize that is a very good piece of information thank you for that. So you have to stack the odds in your favor and I think that by asking questions here it is about as good a place as there is and Buck don't always offer up as much info as you might like, been there done that though they are great really kind gracious and very well intention-ed, I really do like the online chat service at their web site. I have also gone to the effort to reach the people behind some of the videos and some have been kind enough to get back to me as have some others in the industry. I am trying to ask nicely and respectfully.
You mentioned that you "did" find the Marksman interesting am I to assume that you no longer have your Marksman? If that is the case I would be interested (and I am sure other readers also would be) to know what it was which lead to you giving it up? Most of the negative comments I have read have been of folks getting bit one too many times during an unsuccessful deployment and the other major group of dislikes were the result of an inadequate lock up detent. The first probably comes down to user error and some just not willing or able to keep there fingers out of the way and that's a fine reason because no one want to get cut and I would feel the same way too if I find myself in that group.The second problem is for the most part I think one of set up. Never the less even when properly set up I get the impression that the Marksman might be a knife that would not take too much coaxing to make it open up. But first hand accounts that I have read so far people seem to think t hat the detent is not bad or something to be overly concerned about and that a little adjustment will solve the problem. I would appreciate your view on this if you would like to offer them up here. All of this I will find both interesting and useful. If I get a picture I will be happy to post it here. I can appreciate your frustration but perhaps you can appreciate mine, I don't get to hold this or to see this in my hand and I can't really afford to make a mistake. I just want to get this right. I hope I do too and I also hope that I don't just like it I hope I love it!
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Buy one only you know if you like it or not,
 
Makael said:
You have studied just about everything there is online. There isn't the following of the model like there is of say a 110 or 112. Multiple people recommended getting one, pick a blade style and jump in,
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That's the plan. I do have to get my ducks in a row first though working on that now. I am never very good with buying second hand at the best of times as it can be a surprise one way or the other. The process has started though. I cannot purchase one from Buck and used so far is my only option. I will have to have the help of a vendor willing to jump through some hoops for me. I will keep you posted. I do very much appreciate the assistance provided here by all of the members, thanks to everyone.
As I previously mentioned I don't think, so far as I can determine that there were any blade profile changes to the 830 Buck Marksman and the blade I saw in the video may well have been ground on a bad day for someone at Buck. I am looking into the back story on that very blade and hope to learn more. For all I really know so far the 830 may also have a thick tip. I am wondering if a tanto would be any more consistent as the primary section f the blade is straight and pretty hard to mess up that grind. the tip looks like it would still have more stock behind the edge. I will likely not get to make make the call on which I get that will fall to fate and what comes my way. so I will open myself to the universe of sharpness and trust to what ever it sends to me and go with that.
 
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