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panoz77 said:
I would love to find a barn find 184 someday. I can remember them at the local Army Navy for $110. Back then I was a broke college student and didn't have a hundred bucks to drop on a knife but I sure wanted one bad.
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Yeah, I'd love to be at a garage/yard sale and hear somebody say, "Oh, we forgot to bring out that big ol' knife......go get that thing, Rufus."

:D
 
RICH asked me to post this: Navy SEAL Commander Tom Coulter (who’s doc I posted )signed this along with one of his Sailors Senior Chief Richard Peters ( original member of SEAL Team Six and MOB SixDSC04113.JPG DSC04114.JPG
 
I always ask for knives at garage sales--this year a fellow said I have a big buck--well he went in the house and came out with a buckmaster--he knew what he had --so it was not a 10 dollar garage sale find but it was kool getting a buckmaster at a garage sale...made my Saturday morning great....
 
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Were going to start this ? Heck it was even in BUCK literature that this was used by the US Navy SEAL's ..I MADE IT SIMPLE. PLEASE NOTICE THE STAR AND ARROW and where the arrow ( that pointy thing is pointed at that sheathed pointy thing) HAPPY I had a few beers before I saw this high-jacked thread.....

Here are a list of a few books stating the same thing..
WOWZA I did learn something in school !

"THE MILITARY KNIFE & BAYONET" by Homer M. Brett (Awesome pictures)
"American Gladius: A Study of the M-9 Multi-Purpose Bayonet System" by Mack A. Pattarozzi
"Knives Military edged tools & weapons" and
"The Encyclopedia of Handheld Weapons" BOTH by James Marchington
"WEAPONs of the Navy SEALs" by Kevin Dockery (one of my favs btw)
"The Complete Encyclopedia of Knives" by A.E. Hartink
and lastly my two favorites
"BuckMaster Knives The Authorized History of Models 184 & 185" and
"M9 Bayonet The Authorized History " Both by RICHARD NEYMAN
BOOM #4

Now my sons all think that Voldemort Rain is one of our SEAL buddies punking this forum. Ha I told them NO WAY totally "FAKE NEWs" OUR buddies have too much respect and not enough time to do this even if the original knife ripped up their wet hands ( by the way Next GEN BuckMaster 2.0 wont do that ) You are out of your league here and post lies.
VOLDERMORT RAIN, PLEASE Back your slap to the face of SEAL History lies up!
I have over 10 years of studying this SEAL History . Usually I brush stupid off, but you are spreading FAKE NEWS Vordermort Rain! AGAIN Back your stuff up or shut the F**k Up!. I got more docs to post where is even ONE of yours ..
 
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Thank you Richard, I can't imagine all the homework that went into the books. I still have the tops/Bucks if you need one.
 
VorpalRain said:
I'll be waiting.

So far no boom.
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@ XDguy...........Still waiting for even one document that shows that the government purchased Buckmaster knives from Buck.

You made the claim on this forum that the SEALS purchased 2500 Buckmasters in '86 or '87.

Surely in all your research you must have come up with one purchase order or receipt or letter stating that there was such a purchase.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'd just like to see THAT document rather than your documents that suggest there MAY have been some possibility that the knife MIGHT be submitted for testing to see if it could qualify.

If you don't have any objective rather than subjective proof......we're back to what Buck Historian Joe Houser said on this forum, which is this:

Gardner,
Glad i could help. Ford is correct in stating that the < is the date code for 1986. Your knife is a fairly early one.
The relationship the knife has with the Seals is that it was designed with their input. It was not an official Seal knife although I have heard of individual Seal team members buying and using the knife.

Hope this helps,
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Joe Houser
Director of Consumer relations Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Administrator and member #123

 
And I should add that this is in no way a criticism of your book, which I assume is excellent.

It's simply a request for documentation from either the Navy or Buck that there was indeed a purchase of 2500 knives by the Navy.

There is no doubt that, as Joe says, there was input from some SEAL team members as to the design of the knife.

The only detail you have not proven is that there was actually a sale of 2500 Buckmasters to the Navy.

Thanks much.
 
Rich XDGuy made the claim.

It's up to him to back it up.

That's how it works.

No easy way out of this.
 
I've avoided the Buckmaster threads because 1) not a knife I have an interest in and 2) the threads have gotten a bit highschoolish (is that even a word) in places. That said, I get Vorpal's point. Yes, knives were designed with Seal team input. Yes, Knives were submitted for testing. Yes, some were carried by Seals. But it is a stretch to say it was an "official" Seal team knife lacking any actual procurement by the government.... it's in the semantics... is it a "Seal team knife because some carried it or is not an official knife until Uncle Sam issues a procurement contract to actually buy them. /Roger

EDIT...Let's boil it down to this one question that I think Vorpal is asking evidence of... Did any money ever pass from The US government to Phrobis for the acquisition of Buckmasters? (with or without an actual contract)
 
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Wow Desoto
There is no point to the proof other than to satisfy VP obsessive pursuit to irritate. Is there not enough info in a book that tells of the rich history behind the Buckmaster? I don't know if a document showing a purchase order can be obtained. We don't know if Chuck Buck is really Chuck Bucks real name without a birth certificate either so why ask.
 
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Mike, I'm not denying there is a "rich history" as you you put it between the Buckmaster and the Seals. That is not is point of discussion. (and I'm pretty sure the birth certficate would say "Charles Theodore", not "Chuck")
 
Desoto, If I was an ass I would be demanding you prove it. And then if you couldn't prove it, gloat and tell you to re think what you post next time.

But since I'm not an ass I'm not asking.

That's my point.
 
DeSotoSky said:
I've avoided the Buckmaster threads because 1) not a knife I have an interest in and 2) the threads have gotten a bit highschoolish (is that even a word) in places. That said, I get Vorpal's point. Yes, knives were designed with Seal team input. Yes, Knives were submitted for testing. Yes, some were carried by Seals. But it is a stretch to say it was an "official" Seal team knife lacking any actual procurement by the government.... it's in the semantics... is it a "Seal team knife because some carried it or is not an official knife until Uncle Sam issues a procurement contract to actually buy them. /Roger

EDIT...Let's boil it down to this one question that I think Vorpal is asking evidence of... Did any money ever pass from The US government to Phrobis for the acquisition of Buckmasters? (with or without an actual contract)
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DSS, being in the upper echelon of the Supply System for the Marine Corps, I can guarantee you if money changed hands for the 184, there would be more paperwork then you could shake a stick at. Plus the Supply Department would have to have an NSN, National Stock Number, and have each SEAL sign out for their knife. Then from there on, they would have to keep track of that knife on computerized inventory control until the knife is deemed unserviceable. Last but least, when it comes time for the SEALs to turn that knife in and someone doesn't have theirs, big trouble. The only way he's in the clear is he can prove he lost it during training or in the event of War.

Don
 
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