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Makael said:
Buckmaster sheath I made for Joe H. He wanted a dangler with leg tie. Black leather but left the burnished edge natural. Reversible for left or right carry.

Used mine for the pattern. Badass knife
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Maekel that is a really nice sheath you made there, too bad I can't get one done...

Hey guy's let's let the water go under the bridge...The point Maekel made has been proven and proven and even proven by Rich who is probably the only person on this Earth that knows the TRUE history of the 184. So let's feel privileged he took time out of his busy schedule to answer our questions. DSS you have quoted information out of Rich's Buckmaster book to me and I believe you're waiting for the new book to come out so you and I can see what was the true story on the USMC M9. So if there was money passed wouldn't you think Rich would have stated that?

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sassafrassdogs3 said:
DSS, being in the upper echelon of the Supply System for the Marine Corps, I can guarantee you if money changed hands for the 184, there would be more paperwork then you could shake a stick at. Plus the Supply Department would have to have an NSN, National Stock Number, and have each SEAL sign out for their knife. Then from there on, they would have to keep track of that knife on computerized inventory control until the knife is deemed unserviceable. Last but least, when it comes time for the SEALs to turn that knife in and someone doesn't have theirs, big trouble. The only way he's in the clear is he can prove he lost it during training or in the event of War.
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I'm aware of that.......I think we're all aware of it, but as retired military I KNOW there would be documents galore.

Which is why I'm amazed that RichXDguy claimed that the government had purchased Buckmasters and yet he cannot come up with a single document that verifies his claim.

As you say, if it were true there would be a huge stack of such documents.

Yet, after YEARS of research.......he can't come up with any.

The sideways and incomplete fragments of documents he posted here do not show any transaction--no numbers, no dollar amounts.......nothing to show a sale.

Oh......and posting one blurry photograph of an unidentified man in camo with a Buckmaster proves exactly nothing.......it does graphically illustrate the complete lack legitimate evidence of a sale to the Navy.

And @XDGUY........the namecalling, calling me a liar and other insults toward me......all I can say is--Seriously????? I asked a perfectly legitimate question and you not only refuse to answer it, but insult me.

If we were face to face I would be perfectly comfortable asking my simple question.....but would you be so quick to insult me for asking it? I doubt it.

Still waiting for any actual documents you can find to verify your claim that money changed hands in a government purchase of Buckmasters by the Navy. This is more important than you seem to think.

If you can't back up your claim it casts doubt on the rest of your information and the book itself.
 
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I'm aware of that.......I think we're all aware of it, but as retired military I KNOW there would be documents galore.

Which is why I'm amazed that RichXDguy claimed that the government had purchased Buckmasters and yet he cannot come up with a single document that verifies his claim.

As you say, if it were true there would be a huge stack of such documents.

Yet, after YEARS of research.......he can't come up with any.

The sideways and incomplete fragments of documents he posted here do not show any transaction--no numbers, no dollar amounts.......nothing to show a sale.

Oh......and posting one blurry photograph of an unidentified man in camo with a Buckmaster proves exactly nothing.......it does graphically illustrate the complete lack legitimate evidence of a sale to the Navy.

And @XDGUY........the namecalling, calling me a liar and other insults toward me......all I can say is--Seriously????? I asked a perfectly legitimate question and you not only refuse to answer it, but insult me.

If we were face to face I would be perfectly comfortable asking my simple question.....but would you be so quick to insult me for asking it? I doubt it.

Still waiting for any actual documents you can find to verify your claim that money changed hands in a government purchase of Buckmasters by the Navy. This is more important than you seem to think.

If you can't back up your claim it casts doubt on the rest of your information and the book itself.
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The history of that particular knife would be termed as common knowledge. Your demands for extraordinary proof are ludicrous.

The only doubt being cast is on you.
 
VorpalRain said:
And I should add that this is in no way a criticism of your book, which I assume is excellent.

It's simply a request for documentation from either the Navy or Buck that there was indeed a purchase of 2500 knives by the Navy.

There is no doubt that, as Joe says, there was input from some SEAL team members as to the design of the knife.

The only detail you have not proven is that there was actually a sale of 2500 Buckmasters to the Navy.

Thanks much.
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DOCUMENT IS FINAL BOOM!
Commanding OFFICER of SEAL Team Three who looked over my book and signed the page after he read it.
OH Yes my book states the SEALs received 2500 BuckMaster on June 20th 1985!


SO BuckMaster naysayers who will you believe a few turds with "FAKE NEWS" or the Commanding Officer of SEAL Team 3 at this time period!

READ this document below !
" for doing an an excellent job in documenting the BuckMaster ."
BOOM!

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LOGIC PART 1 HERE!
Im Going to point out the Captain Obvious HERE VorpalRain..

Here is a Document from the Commander one of HIS Personal Tridents the exact one that was on my front cover!

LOGIC HERE



NOW THREE YEARS AFTER my book "BuckMaster Knives" was written
IF I was WRONG with my by the way VERY FAMOUS AWESOME BOOK ( per my boys), DONT you think the Commanding OFFICER of SEAL Team 3 at the time COMMANDER DT Coulter would of not signed my F**King BOOK! Right ? End of story seriously . You are not being logical at all. I noticed you became silent when I posted the request from Commander Coulter.

Why would the Commander sign my SECOND book"M9 Bayonet The Authorized History" 7 years later ( IF WHAT I ALREADY PRINTED WAS FALSE) Especially if what PER YOU VorpalRain state was REMOTLEY true?
The Commander is a Warrior of HONOR and THE BEST of the BEST of US Navy SEALs. WE are safer because of him and men like him!

PS NOTICE same signature on the 1984 doc I posted of SEALs requesting survival knives!
 
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COMMANDER Tom Coulter signed a special page to be inserted in Chapter 8 E&E,CUK and MFK knives in next book (limited edition of only 188 copies)"M9 Bayonet The Authorized History" with the Commander personally contributing and writing the Genesis of PHROBIS for 2 1/2 pages to be published

IF I was full of crap on ALL my previous statements WHY would the Commander contribute to MY next book..

LOGIC PART 3

MIC DROP!
 
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Real world CliffsNotes.

A guy in the Navy comes up with an idea for a dive knife with some never before seen features. He reaches out to get some made. The great idea doesn't translate into being as great in the real world. That's typical of many military trials and the knife doesn't become general issue. Despite that knives are made and issued and they develop a following. Buck decides to recover their investment in this by adding the knife to the lineup and they tap into an unfilled demand for very big production knives & it becomes a cult hit.

In that time period Navy SEALs were not the tacti-cool touchstone that they are now. The knife made it's way on it's own merit with the backstory of how it came be be being a simple fact instead of marketing hype. By most practical measures the knife is kind of a failure but that's added to it's scarcity and desirability and it's no doubt the Great Grand Daddy of all the big choppers that are popular today.
 
ILLOGICAL VOLDERMORT Rain or Mud or whatever

ohhh I mean VorpalRain who highjacked this cool thread!

Sheesh REFOCUS

IN my next book JUST released Here is the page before those pages last two pages with the teaser pictures of the prototype (BuckMaster 2.0) already spreading like wild fire from "M9 Bayonet The Authorized History" .

OH Look 7 year after my first book same Navy SEAL Commander of SEAL Team Three who received 2500 BuckMaster on June 20th 1985!

Oh now 2.0
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MIC DROP part two.. Re read
 
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I wasn't going to comment on this thread or even within the forum anymore because of this kind of garbage but I guess I will for one last time.

1st off. Rich - You don't owe this guy any more proof or comments. You owe him nothing. You have done your job and have done it well. Thank you for everything and I will be
getting one of your new books as soon as they become available. See you at the 30th.

2nd. VorpalRain - Why don't you show us evidence that Rich is wrong. He answered time after time that what he said is true and he is probably the
top authority regarding the 184 and 188 that you will ever get to come to this forum.

3rd. We should always be respectful and welcome people like Rich, Jeff Hubbard, Joe Houser, and other knowledgeable Buck people to this forum and we always wonder why they don't chime in more
yet when they do they at some point get attacked and criticized. Hum. I wonder why we don't see them here more often.

4th. The 184 as well as the 188 was hugely successful with well over 100,000 made.
I call that a great successful knife no matter what one particular individual says.

Lets be a bit more respectful.
 
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XDguy, I don't know what's in your book, so how could I comment on your book?

The only thing in question is your statement on this forum (that contradicts Joe Houser's statement) where you say the Navy bought 2500 Buckmasters from Buck in 1986 or 1987.

It appears that you were repeating information you heard rather than information that was verified by physical documents, because you offered no verification at that time either.

The sideways and incomplete fragments of documents you posted here do not show any transaction--no numbers, no dollar amounts, no shipment dates.......nothing to show a sale.

I'm retired military. I know that if such a sale had been made there should be corroborating documents galore.

The fact that SEALS signed your book doesn't prove there was a sale of knives to the Navy unless they addressed that fact and attested to it.

The total lack of corroborating documents, on the other hand, indicates there was probably no sale of knives to the Navy.

So if you have no corroborating documents and were repeating hearsay, why not just say so and be done with it?
 
VorpalRain said:
XDguy, I don't know what's in your book, so how could I comment on your book?

The only thing in question is your statement on this forum (that contradicts Joe Houser's statement) where you say the Navy bought 2500 Buckmasters from Buck in 1986 or 1987.

It appears that you were repeating information you heard rather than information that was verified by physical documents, because you offered no verification at that time either.

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Im calling Joe HOUSER he will retract that statement that 2500 wasn't delivered or what EVER STUPID DOCUMENT u found or should i say you TROLLED..

STILL fake news Date was June 20th 1985!
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I believe the Purchase order signed by the Navy is plenty of proof, the dollar amount on a purchase order is not going to be disclosed to the public after the fact. we are lucky enough to see as much of the purchase order as we did, Thanks Rich, look forward to meeting you out west this summer if your at the 30th. I am not a 184 or 188 collector but I have seen a few and think they are a great part of the Buck history.
 
Im calling Joe HOUSER he will retract that statement that 2500 wasn't delivered or what EVER STUPID DOCUMENT u found or should i say you TROLLED..

STILL fake news Date was June 20th 1985!
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I don't know what date you are referring to, but the "stupid" document to which you refer was written by Joe Houser.

If you can get him to retract his statement and corroborate your statement, that will be sufficient.

Joe is a standup guy. He's the Buck Historian, after all.
 
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Curious. What is the relationship between AMETEK and the Navy to be issuing a purchase order to QUAL-A-TEC. Was AMETEK the go between for a sole source acquisition because there was no contract or NSN for the Buckmaster?
 
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STEELHEADBULLY said:
I believe the Purchase order signed by the Navy is plenty of proof, the dollar amount on a purchase order is not going to be disclosed to the public after the fact.
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All we saw was a small portion of a signed purchase order form.

It did not specify what was purchased, how many or how much was paid.

It meant exactly nothing and there was no reason to even post a fragment like that.
 
VorpalRain said:
All we saw was a small portion of a signed purchase order form.

It did not specify what was purchased, how many or how much was paid.

It meant exactly nothing and there was no reason to even post a fragment like that.
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Thats because you are ILOGICAL VorpalRain / VoldermortRainMan(defiantly,defiantly) and Honestly I dont care what you or any other person thinks!

What I do care about is the PLETHORA of misinformation that you and people like you try to spread..



ONE last thing

2500 for SEALs June 20th 1985 ( you keep putting wrong info of 86/87 VoldermortRainMan)

Im the EXPERT here not you
 
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