Bucks from China

Buck_110 said:
There's nothing wrong with imported products; provided they are superior.
The best watches in the world come from Switzerland.
The best cars in the world currently come from Germany.
The best electronics in the world currently come from Japan.

China on the other hand, produces poorly made reproductions of great products that originated elsewhere. China is NOT an innovator, but merely an imitator. Using the words China and quality in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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Germany does make some great knives! ;)

Anyway I stand by my statement ::: China gets enough of my money through other means. Knives don't have to be one of them. It's funny how much we support communism in this country. China is a communist country right??
 
Buck_110 said:
There's nothing wrong with imported products; provided they are superior.
The best watches in the world come from Switzerland.
The best cars in the world currently come from Germany.
The best electronics in the world currently come from Japan.

China on the other hand, produces poorly made reproductions of great products that originated elsewhere. China is NOT an innovator, but merely an imitator. Using the words China and quality in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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China being an imitator and not an innovator is irrelevant. LOL.
They make products to the standard they are asked to.
If American companies ask them to make cheap, disposable crap so we can KEEP buying cheap, disposable crap, then that's what they do.
If they are told to make good quality products, that's what they do.
Like I said, look around. Almost EVERYTHING we own is made by them, and some of it is not to good, but a lot of it is.
Who's fault is this?
America's.
The Chinese never came over and took over our factories. They never invaded and forced anyone to send their factories to China. Our "Great Country" did that.
America figured it would be cheaper to send the work to another country then to pay our own hard working Americans a paycheck.
Again, they make products to the standard that they are asked to.
The proof is in the fact (and yes, it is a fact. If you'd like to experiment, find out for yourself) that the Chinese Buck slippies are way better then the domestic made Buck slippies. How is this possible if they don't make a good quality product?
Rough Rider? A great product at an affordable price. Usually come with better fit and finish, and sharper out of the box then A much more expensive Case.
The whole "US only" thing is silly. It is NOT patriotism. It is just a way for people to make a "statement", regardless of whether they know what statement they are making or not.
First it's a matter of National pride.
Now it's a matter of quality.
Well, the fact that American made goods don't really stand up to those made in other countries, like Germany, Italy, Japan, AND China, that ends THIS part of the debate.
So, it's not National pride, since everyone in this thread buys WAY more chinese made products then anything else.
It's not Quality, since many of their products, including knives, can and are made extremely well.
It's not that they are taking all our business, since it is US sending them our business.
So, what is it?
 
china steals our technology, trademarks, and designs. In some product segments there is no competing U.S. alternative so I am forced to buy the chinese product if I want the TV, the iPod etc.... Knives are one of the few products where I can buy American. My opinion is just as valid as yours and I believe buying chinese goods is bad for America.
The decision to send our industry overseas was not mine but what I buy is. Regardless of what you think I believe china is an enemy to the U.S. and our partnership with them is a grave mistake.
 
Stelth said:
china steals our technology, trademarks, and designs. In some product segments there is no competing U.S. alternative so I am forced to buy the chinese product if I want the TV, the iPod etc.... Knives are one of the few products where I can buy American. My opinion is just as valid as yours and I believe buying chinese goods is bad for America.
The decision to send our industry overseas was not mine but what I buy is. Regardless of what you think I believe china is an enemy to the U.S. and our partnership with them is a grave mistake.
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+1:thumbup:
 
Voltron said:
Well, the fact that American made goods don't really stand up to those made in other countries, like Germany, Italy, Japan, AND China, that ends THIS part of the debate.
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sorry bro but you cant jump in and say that ends it. this conversation has been going on for years, since the 80's at least.

i buy international.
but quality is good in the usa. i dont buy chinese for quality. i buy chinese for value.
look at spyderco vs. byrd.
 
all hood allen said:
sorry bro but you cant jump in and say that ends it. this conversation has been going on for years, since the 80's at least.
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I understand the conversation has been going on for years, but what has been discussed?
Nothing.
Just people wanting to complain about SOMETHING.
What an individual believes in no way makes it so. It just makes it so for that individual.
If you don't someone doesn't buy Chinese for quality, then that's their decision.
That they decide to buy cheap Chinese products doesn't mean all Chinese products are cheap.
I buy Chinese for Quality. I buy most things for quality. I would be short changing myself other wise.
You can buy American for value as well.
It's all the same.
America makes some of the crappiest products in the world.
They also make some of the best. It depends on what YOU want to buy.
However, just because you make a conscious decision to buy crap from another country, you can in no way say their products are crap.
The ones YOU SOUGHT were crap.
That is all.
So no, I was not saying I am here to end the argument.
What I AM saying is the US vs. China knife debate is silly.
While I wasn't alive back then, I remember a time in history when it would have been sacrileges to buy German, Italian, or Japanese products.
What, because we get along now it's ok?
LOL.
Silly.
 
Stelth said:
Regardless of what you think I believe china is an enemy to the U.S. and our partnership with them is a grave mistake.
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Well, you are entitled to your opinion. However, just because you believe it doesn't make it so.
 
Voltron said:
I understand the conversation has been going on for years, but what has been discussed?
Nothing.
Just people wanting to complain about SOMETHING.
What an individual believes in no way makes it so. It just makes it so for that individual.
If you don't someone doesn't buy Chinese for quality, then that's their decision.
That they decide to buy cheap Chinese products doesn't mean all Chinese products are cheap.
I buy Chinese for Quality. I buy most things for quality. I would be short changing myself other wise.
You can buy American for value as well.
It's all the same.
America makes some of the crappiest products in the world.
They also make some of the best. It depends on what YOU want to buy.
However, just because you make a conscious decision to buy crap from another country, you can in no way say their products are crap.
The ones YOU SOUGHT were crap.
That is all.
So no, I was not saying I am here to end the argument.
What I AM saying is the US vs. China knife debate is silly.
While I wasn't alive back then, I remember a time in history when it would have been sacrileges to buy German, Italian, or Japanese products.
What, because we get along now it's ok?
LOL.
Silly.
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look man your being onesided. i buy a product if its worth the money.
its not that i buy shityproducts, from china. i buy what i want.
i have a becker necker san mai for japan and it one of my favorite knives.


you still cant buy cuban cigars....:)
 
Voltron said:
I understand the conversation has been going on for years, but what has been discussed?
Nothing.
Just people wanting to complain about SOMETHING.
What an individual believes in no way makes it so. It just makes it so for that individual.
If you don't someone doesn't buy Chinese for quality, then that's their decision.
That they decide to buy cheap Chinese products doesn't mean all Chinese products are cheap.
I buy Chinese for Quality. I buy most things for quality. I would be short changing myself other wise.
You can buy American for value as well.
It's all the same.
America makes some of the crappiest products in the world.
They also make some of the best. It depends on what YOU want to buy.
However, just because you make a conscious decision to buy crap from another country, you can in no way say their products are crap.
The ones YOU SOUGHT were crap.
That is all.
So no, I was not saying I am here to end the argument.
What I AM saying is the US vs. China knife debate is silly.
While I wasn't alive back then, I remember a time in history when it would have been sacrileges to buy German, Italian, or Japanese products.
What, because we get along now it's ok?
LOL.
Silly.
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An interesting position but if you have family or friends who lost their jobs in OUR country so that China could have jobs in THEIR country you would not feel this way. Many industries in this country have been wrecked by this exact process where they jobbed out products to a 3rd world country because of labor cost. Then those industries/countries took their knowledge and used it against our industries/country to put them out of business by unfair practices (i.e., dumping product). Knowing the track record of the Chinese do you think anything else would happen? All we are doing is teaching them how to beat us. We have seen this story over and over. The only piece is that we don't learn from our lessons until it is too late.
I know people who are still out of work and I will not buy a Chinese knife nor do I buy Cold Steel anymore for that reason. There are plenty of great American products to be bought. If you buy the Chinese product they will continue to sell the Chinese product. If you don't they won't sell it any more. If that is considered to be "Protectionist" then so be it. At the end of the day I know that I didn't put some family on the bread line. Sorry if this sounds terse but another friend of mine got let go because they are moving the jobs off shore.
 
Stelth said:
china steals our technology, trademarks, and designs. In some product segments there is no competing U.S. alternative so I am forced to buy the chinese product if I want the TV, the iPod etc.... Knives are one of the few products where I can buy American. My opinion is just as valid as yours and I believe buying chinese goods is bad for America.
The decision to send our industry overseas was not mine but what I buy is. Regardless of what you think I believe china is an enemy to the U.S. and our partnership with them is a grave mistake.
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+1 on this.
 
EnduringEagle said:
An interesting position but if you have family or friends who lost their jobs in OUR country so that China could have jobs in THEIR country you would not feel this way. Many industries in this country have been wrecked by this exact process where they jobbed out products to a 3rd world country because of labor cost. Then those industries/countries took their knowledge and used it against our industries/country to put them out of business by unfair practices (i.e., dumping product). Knowing the track record of the Chinese do you think anything else would happen? All we are doing is teaching them how to beat us. We have seen this story over and over. The only piece is that we don't learn from our lessons until it is too late.
I know people who are still out of work and I will not buy a Chinese knife nor do I buy Cold Steel anymore for that reason. There are plenty of great American products to be bought. If you buy the Chinese product they will continue to sell the Chinese product. If you don't they won't sell it any more. If that is considered to be "Protectionist" then so be it. At the end of the day I know that I didn't put some family on the bread line. Sorry if this sounds terse but another friend of mine got let go because they are moving the jobs off shore.
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So, what you are saying is, Chine came here, TOOK our business by force, as well as the jobs, and made us bow down to them as conquerers?
Or do you mean AMERICA took our jobs away and sent them to China, as well as other countries, to save a buck? (no pun intended)
If I were your boss, fired you, and gave your job to some guy who would do it for cheap, who would you hold to blame? The boss who fired you, or the guy who did nothing but accept a job?
This whole thing is like being back in high school. Everyone here is defending the country that took their jobs away, and punishing the ones who accepted it. LOL.
Talk about backwards thinking!!
Oh, and before you make assumptions (which, by and large are usually wrong), I lost a job to over seas outsourcing. I love my imported Buck. One has nothing to do with the other.
But, if it makes you feel like more of a man to by American, go for it.
We will both have equal quality products, only mine won't break the bank.
LOLing at how people try to use politics when buying a knife.
 
I don't mind buying imports, but not from China. China is our enemy. China is right up there with Iran and North Korea. I won't buy knives from them either.
 
I know that the Buck 110 and 119 are still made in the USA. What other Buck models are still made here?
 
kidcoyote said:
how about cap and trade? more strict regulations in america, higher taxes, labor laws? profit margins? i don't think its just one thing.
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bro i never said it was, if you read my posts you would know that...

unions have their advantages, but in the american industry they have screwed the people they serve more than once.
one example would be the auto industry.
 
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