Bug juice in the winter.

I always burned them off me. I would heat up the tip of a paperclip and stick it to the ticks back as I was slightly pulling it with the tweezers and it would come right out. I wouldn't heat it up to the point of snapping and popping, but enough to make the tick back out of my skin.
 
I've always just pulled them straight out with a tweezer; no twisting , no jerking, just a steady pull. I've never broken one off in a person or pet.
 
this made me think, does anybody know how to remove a tick without ripping it's head off? this would be some very useful knowledge.

it is very important when removing ticks, that you do not twist and/or yank them off... burning them off, is also not advised, it usually causes them to burrow deeper... you do not want any of the ticks body being left in..

the whole tick need to be removed as slowly as possible.. with this tool, http://www.1800pixtick.com/protickremedy.htm you place the V portion at the tip, under the ticks body and slowly start to pull upward...

i hope this helps...
 
Get some tweezers as close up on the head as possible and gently twist anticlockwise. Less of the pulling. A smooth slow quarter to half turn with a little bit of pulling pays dividends.

Burning, poking or administering noxious agents is not advised. Making one regurgitate is not want you want to be doing so don't piss it off. There used to be a school of thought about starving them of air by coating them in vaseline or similar. That's complete boswellox. The breathing rate of a tick is massively slower than yours, and that will combine the folly of both delaying intervention and chancing making it puke.
 
it is very important when removing ticks, that you do not twist and/or yank them off... burning them off, is also not advised, it usually causes them to burrow deeper... you do not want any of the ticks body being left in..

the whole tick need to be removed as slowly as possible.. with this tool, http://www.1800pixtick.com/protickremedy.htm you place the V portion at the tip, under the ticks body and slowly start to pull upward...

i hope this helps...

I agree. Great post Mike!:thumbup:
 
Follow up:

As to the exact role of the partial twist I am unclear. For sure I know of NHS nurses here that have been taught to do that. Having examined that further I'm unsure as to why that should be the case. I've removed a hell of a lot of ticks and the method has never failed. Scanning the intewebs though, and especially after seeing a recommendation of 1.5 turns, I do wonder. I'm positive this is one of those topics that's likely to be riddled with grandfather's moldy old folklore. I've seen it written in a bunch of places that ticks burrow in clockwise and that's why you remove them anticlockwise. I'm suspicious. To my mind that slight left hand twist could be just as much about a natural smoothness of the extracting action than anything else. Clearly it avoids the tendency for sharp tugging. Anyway, my jury is out on why. Cranking it round is likely to be just as dumb as yanking. I've not found any support for the idea that a tick can be provoked into burrowing deeper. Frankly, I didn't suppose I would as it is hard to conceive of how that might happen. I did find evidence that supports what I said about applying heat and noxious agents making them regurgitate.

Here's an article that seems to be posted all over the interwebs. It touches on the theoretical pain / puke axis. It does find a little support for some commercially available extractors being better than tweezers, but that's surely going to depend on what shape your tweezers are. It goes on to say that the most recommended tool is a pair of blunt forceps.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020815/643.html

In addition we have an article here - Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 9, 137-142 (1998)

“Abstract
We evaluated three commercially available tick removal tools against medium-tipped tweezers. Three inexperienced users randomly removed attached American dog ticks (Dermacentor variabilis ) and lone star ticks (Amblyomma americanum L.), from laboratory rabbits in a university animal facility. Tick damage occurring from removal and quantity of attachment cement were compared. No tool removed nymphs without damage and all tools removed adults of both species successfully. American dog ticks proved easier to remove than lone star ticks, whose mouthparts often remained in the skin. Nymphal ticks were consistently removed more successfully with commercial tools when compared to tweezers. The commercial tick removal tools tested were functional for removal of nymphs and adults, and should be considered as viable alternatives to medium-tipped tweezers. Most importantly, use of these tools may encourage reluctant people to promptly remove ticks rather than delaying or using dangerous ineffective folk methods. When tick parasitism cannot be avoided, prompt removal is the next best alternative for reducing infection risk.”

“...The most frequently asked question of acarologists is, "How do you remove a tick?" This is commonly followed by, "What should I use?" A good answer requires knowing the relative merits of "folk" methods as well as new innovative removal tools. A few articles have been published concerning "folk" methods and several evaluate removal tools that are no longer available, however, little comparative information is available detailing the relative effectiveness of new removal tools. The purpose of this laboratory study was to evaluate three novel tools compared to medium-tipped tweezers...”

“...The makers of these tools employ two distinct removal strategies. One design strategy is to grasp the mouthparts with fine edges or points at the bite site and remove the tick by gently pulling away from the skin. Both medium-tipped tweezer and the Tick Nipper function in this manner. The other design is to use a slit in the removal tool large enough to accommodate the mouthparts but too narrow for the tick's body to pass. This strategy forces the tick's mouthparts within a "V" slot through the forward motion of the tool and then the tick is lifted from the skin. The Pro-Tick Remedy and Ticked-Off tools are designed for this function (Fig. 2)...”

“Discussion
Tick attachment strategy, mouthpart morphology and body size clearly influences how well the devices work in the hands of novice users. Deeply-attached adult lone star ticks were difficult to remove using all methods, while American dog tick adults presented little difficulty. The two methods utilized by these instruments, grasping the tick or providing a "V"-shaped slot too narrow for the tick's body to pass, appeared to have little influence on tool effectiveness. However, the Tick Nipper and medium-tipped tweezers appear slightly more effective than Pro-Tick Remedy and Ticked-Off for removing adult lone star ticks. The narrow base of the "V" slot may cut the mouthparts at the base since the major differences between strategies were observed solely in the mouthpart region. Using medium-tipped tweezers or the Tick Nipper for lone star adults yield slightly better results than the other two tools although all functioned adequately.”

“The removal of deeply attached nymphs presented problems for both removal designs. Fewer difficulties were observed with instruments using the V-shaped slot rather than grasping the tick. Because 95% of the nymphs removed with tweezers were removed without their mouthparts and anterior body halves, we do not recommend using medium-tipped tweezers for removing deeply-attached nymphs unless no other tool is available. Exposing the internal contents of a tick can be hazardous since otherwise isolated pathogens could enter the wound. Of the three commercial devices evaluated for nymphal removal,the Pro-Tick Remedy and Ticked-Off yielded slightly better results than the Tick Nipper because fewer ticks left their mouthparts in the skin and more cement was removed. We recommend using any of the three commercial instruments over tweezers for the removal of nymphs.”

I take from that; use the tool you are competent with.

It too touches on the futility of applying noxious agents. It goes on to talk about even pumping them full of lidocaine and other anesthetics not making them disposed to let go either.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=50
 
Hey GS, there's another way of looking at this. It sucks she got the tick in the first place, but it's absolutely wonderful that you found it and found it as soon as you did. You did the right thing by seeking medical intervention and I am confident that everything will turn out fine. :thumbup:

GP
 
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I've always just pulled them straight out with a tweezer; no twisting , no jerking, just a steady pull. I've never broken one off in a person or pet.

I agree with this. Copping a few ticks when out in the bush is common here, just grab the head with tweezers and pull them out. It leaves a sore for a couple of days, but as long as you grab them by the head they shouldnt come apart.
 
Current philosophy is to grab them with tweezers as close to the skin as possible and steadily pull them out. There's no damage done if the head is left in - the body will eventually push it out, and the head on its own cannot pass on Lymes.

And heed what baldtaco says about not pissing them off - the one I got last year was under my belt line. The constant jostling due to movement (until I noticed the bugger and took it out) caused it to, as b.taco says, "puke". They excrete a cement if they get jostled, complicating removal. Even after having the emergency room go in after the head, I still had some of that cement in me, and I just noticed that it stopped bothering me (and the welt just went down) approximately a year after the bite.

Doing so research on the web, at the Mayo Clinic site and such, it seems that kids are especially good at not getting Lymes if treated with antibiotics - your daughter should be just fine - I hope the antibiotics don't bother her tummy!
 
Your local health dept in Ct will send that tick to the state lab to be tested at no cost to you. If the tick was in less than 24-36 hrs it did not take a blood meal and could not pass the spirochetes that cause Lymes. I work for a LHD and we send them in all the time. The lab wont test them unless theyre engorged. It didnt look that way from your pictures but you should always check with your Doc. Some anti biotic ointment and a bandaid and that head should come out by itself.Good luck--KV in Litchfield Co.
 
hey, bald taco! nice post!!!!!!!!



DON'T use the twist method. It is the most quoted thing among the vet/med ento guys here. Also, don't worry about the head so much either, as this happens all the time. It will pop out like a zit, eventually. You can dig it out yourself with some hydrogen peroxide and a good STERILE scalpel. Everyone is spot on with the transmission time as well. Ticks are a normal happenstance especially with kids. Its not uncommon to remove 3-4 embedded ticks a day where I live and work, during the summer. Ticks normal foraging time is around 54 degrees, and they can go a little bit below that on a sunny day.
 
About two summers ago I had a Deer Tick on my back. I noticed itching for a day or two and then looked in the mirror (i mean what dude looks at their back in the mirror everyday!) The little sucker was in deep and I had my chick pull it out with tweezers. I had a sore for about 3 months or so with minor irritation. I never went to the doctor and my dad was worried I had Lymes disease because I was sick for a few weeks after that.

All in all, it was a sucky experience and I am sorry for your little girls trouble. From what I found out about these tiny bugs is that not all of them can pass on or even have Lyme. So, with how fast you found it she should be good and taking her to the Doc is a smart idea.

I wish her the best!
 
Wow. I had no idea that burning them off was the wrong way. A doctor told me to do that once when I was a kid and I never heard any different. I'm glad I know now that it's the wrong way. I guess I'm lucky that it never made my situation worse. This is yet again another time I find out I've been doing something completely wrong my whole life and thanks to BF I now know the right way. This place is a great resource! Makes me feel really stupid sometimes, but a great resource non the less! lol
 
Wow. I had no idea that burning them off was the wrong way. A doctor told me to do that once when I was a kid and I never heard any different. I'm glad I know now that it's the wrong way. I guess I'm lucky that it never made my situation worse. This is yet again another time I find out I've been doing something completely wrong my whole life and thanks to BF I now know the right way. This place is a great resource! Makes me feel really stupid sometimes, but a great resource non the less! lol

You're not alone in this one dude, in the way back when I hit one with a soldering iron when a cigarette end didn't work. :-)
 
After reading author Amy Tan's experiences with Lymes disease I'm pretty paranoid about the disease, and if I ever felt the need to goto the doctor about it I'd send bloodwork to many labs to test it. That is if, like others have mentioned, the tick had been in me for over a day. No way in hell 'd want to go through what she did:

Amy Tan on Lyme Disease

I have late-stage neuroborreliosis. I have had this disease since 1999.

My case is in many ways typical. Like many, I had little awareness of Lyme disease, for I did not live in what was considered the tick-infested hotbeds on the East Coast. I am a Californian -that’s where I file my taxes- and I live among the hills of San Francisco with its tick-free, concrete sidewalks. For a good long while it did not seem significant that I also have a home in New York, that I weekend in the country, and my main form of exercise is hiking. In addition to trekking in the woodlands of Mendocino, Sonoma, and Santa Cruz counties in California, I have also sojourned to leafy spots in Connecticut and upstate New York. I once loved to sit in the tall grass next to the river, and lean my back against a shady oak tree.

I passed off my early symptoms -a stiff neck, insomnia, a constant headache, and a bad back followed by a frozen shoulder- as the unpleasant aftermath of too much airplane travel. I was often tired and jittery, but that, I reasoned, was the consequence of an active and exciting life. Who was I to complain? I had a wonderful life, a great husband, lovely homes, a successful career. I was rarely sick and went to the doctor only for my annual checkup. Even when I came down with the fever, aches and pains of the "flu" earlier in the summer, I had managed to beat it back without developing any of the respiratory sequelae. What a great immune system I had!

When my feet grew tingly and then numb, I mentioned to my doctor that I had had an unusual rash earlier that year. It had begun with a tiny black dot that I guessed might have been a pinprick-sized blood blister. It grew more rounded as it filled, and then I either scratched it out or it fell out on its own, leaving a tiny pit and a growing red rash, which, curiously, did not itch, but lasted a month. Because that rash seemed so unusual, as did my neuropathy, I wondered aloud whether they were related. My doctor said no.

Like many chronic Lyme disease patients, as my symptoms mounted and a scattering of tests proved positive for an array of seemingly disparate conditions, I was referred to specialist after specialist, until I eventually had consulted ten and had taken countless lab tests. Because one repeated test revealed my blood sugar inexplicably dipped from time to time into the 20s and 30s without symptoms, I underwent a 48-hour fast. An MRI revealed 15 lesions in my frontal and parietal lobes, but my doctors felt that was normal for a person my age; I was 49 at the time. A CAT scan showed an incidentaloma on my adrenal gland, and that was where I hung my hopes, on a tiny benign tumor, which I could excise laparoscopically in hopes of being rid of my enervating symptoms. Instead, after beginning steroids, the bizarre symptoms worsened. Hallucinations began, what I now realize were likely simple partial seizures, the result of lesions on my brain. I saw people walking into my room, two girls jumping rope, numbers spinning on an odometer, a fat poodle hanging from the ceiling. I also had strange episodes in which I behaved strangely but had no recollection of what I had done as reported to me by others. I apparently rang people up at midnight and talked in a wispy voice. I had flung laundry around the living room. My husband said I acted at times as if I were in a trance, eyes wide open but unresponsive to his and a friend’s questions. I now had nightly nightmares and acted them out, punching at lamps or my husband, and once landing on my head in a dive toward my dream assailant.

By day, my memory was held together with friable threads, my concentration was as easy to disperse as blown dust, and when I tried to read, I often found by the second page that I had no idea what the book was about. When I wrote by hand, I reversed letters. When I spoke, I substituted words with like-sounding beginnings. I did not possess any of the skills necessary to write fiction, for I was barely able to traverse the distance of sentence to sentence, let alone keep in mind a narrative that had to span four hundred pages and keep taut multiple intricacies of plot, characters, and thematic imagery. Thus, my novel-in-progress lay abandoned between feeble attempts to resuscitate it. At times, when asked what I was writing, to my horror, I could not remember, and I would struggle over the next hour trying to recall the faintest details. I no longer dared get behind the wheel of a car, because I could not process fast enough when to depress the accelerator and when the brake. When I did venture out on foot, I would sometimes find myself lost in what I knew was a familiar place, my neighborhood of thirty years. Why didn’t that building on the corner look familiar? Why did everything seem as though it were the first time I had been there? I easily became lost in stores, hospitals, hotels, and I would panic, certain I was losing my mind and developing dementia related to early Alzheimer’s. My anxiety was a hundredfold of what was warranted, even in a post 9/11 era. Eventually, I could no longer leave my house alone. In any case, it hurt to walk too far. My muscles were stiff, my knees and hips ached. And I was almost too tired to care anymore.

Let me add here that my doctors were affiliated with major urban hospitals, were tops in their department, well-known, well respected. I liked them. I still do. Not once did they raise the idea that I was a hypochondriac. But they also did not raise the possibility of Lyme disease. Actually, one doctor had considered the possibility that I was infected with a spirochetal bacteria, and he gave me an ELISA test, which was negative -not for Lyme- but for syphilis.

I turned to the Internet, which is where doctors believe patients catch terminal illnesses, that is, whatever disease they see described before them on the terminal. And there I saw that an ELISA was also used to screen for Lyme disease. Further reading led me to see that all my symptoms could easily fall under the multi-systemic umbrella of borreliosis. Further sleuthing gave me the name of a Lyme specialist, someone my other physicians acknowledged was "a good doctor."

My Lyme specialist considered the history of my rash, the summertime flu, the migrating aches and neuropathy, the insomnia and fatigue. He thought 15 lesions in my brain were significant in light of my neurological symptoms. He saw on previous tests that I had some interesting changes in my immune system. He ordered a complete battery of tests from IGeneX, a lab specializing in tick-borne illnesses, to check for not only Lyme disease, but its common co-infections. Two weeks later, I learned I was positive for Lyme on the Western Blot. My doctor told me that the test only confirmed what he already knew.

Let me hasten to add that not all chronic Lyme patients test positive on the Western Blot, at least not at the levels set by doctors who follow CDC surveillance criteria as diagnostic. As this booklet outlines, there is much more to be done before the tests can be considered reliable in every lab across the country. I know this firsthand because after I started antibiotic treatment I took part in a study in which my blood was sent out to five different labs for the ELISA and Western Blot. The results were all over the place -with Lyme-specific bands lighting up in one lab and not the other. There was almost not a single consistency. In addition, I had a negative ELISA test but a positive PCR, that is, I had DNA evidence of borrelia in my blood. And this was nine months after I had started antibiotic treatment.

Like many late-stage neurological Lyme patients, it took a while for symptoms to begin to lift. A day after starting antibiotic treatment, I became feverish and ill with the classic Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction. A month later, the joint and muscle pain eased up somewhat. Two months, and some of the fog finally lifted, and I frantically wrote for long days, fearful that the curtain would come down again. After six months, I had no muscle stiffness or joint pain remaining. Today, I can once again write fiction, speak at conferences, and walk in my neighborhood alone and without anxiety and panic. I’ve been under treatment now for over a year. I consider myself 85% improved from where I was a year ago. I still have what I call memory black holes when I am tired, and I have neuropathy in my feet, which at times becomes too painful for me to walk more than a block. I know that my late diagnosis means I am in this for years, perhaps even for life. But at least I have my mind back.

As a patient, I have joined a club of people with a stigmatized disease that many doctors do not want to treat. While I have been lucky enough to find a doctor who is willing to provide open-ended treatment -and I have the means to pay for it- many of my fellow Lyme patients have gone without appropriate care. As a consequence, they have lost their health, their jobs, their homes, their marriages, and even their lives.

I now know the greatest harm borrelia has caused. It is ignorance. Lyme disease is more prevalent than most people think. It is more difficult to diagnose than most doctors think. It requires more research before we know how it can be adequately treated, and one day, cured.

In the meantime, my advice to friends and family is to be aware and be informed. Realize that Lyme disease has been reported in every state except Montana. The CDC estimates the actual numbers of those infected each year is at least tenfold of what is documented as cases. Some Lyme specialists believe the numbers are even much higher than that.

And if you are bitten by a tick and suspect you have been infected, go see a Lyme-literate physician. Get treated early and adequately. Don’t wait, as I did, and let a treatable disease turn into a chronic one.

For more information on Lyme Disease, a Lyme-literate physician, or LymeAid4Kids, see: www.LymeDiseaseAssociation.org

For information on research on Lyme Disease, see www.ilads.org

Thought you guys might appreciate reading that so people don't take Izan's example. :)
 
this made me think, does anybody know how to remove a tick without ripping it's head off? this would be some very useful knowledge.

I use the Ticked Off slotted spoon -

http://www.tickedoff.com/

I got mine at the grocery store in the "pet stuff" section. It's fairly inexpensive, small and light(psk), works very well and doesn't squeeze the tick. Smaller ticks take a bit more work to get a grip on but removal is complete almost all the time once you do. I only broke one head off so far.... in my own leg a month ago.:barf:

Here in VT the ticks were especially bad this fall. My dog made it through 2008 summer OK but I've removed several recently. 2007 summer was bad for him re ticks. :mad: The last thing he needs is Lyme in addition to his diabetes.

Val
 
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