Busse craze?

[lobo9er]

huh either troll or he hasn't seen any INFI Destruction abuse tests. I only skimmed but I saw he the op commented on INFI lateral strength... HUH Like busse or not INFI toughness is off the charts... Just wondering has OP ever used a BUSSE he seems to know a lot about their strength and weakness... More than BUSSE owners and users. For the record I have a "spring steel" import Kukri I like it and use it. It will take edge damage far more than any BUSSE I have used. Today I hacked through a coyote neck to remove the skull with a GAMEWARDEN my friend asked if I wanted a hatchet so I didn't ruin my knife... Long story short used it to skin out and process minimally the K9 and still shaving hair off my arm when I was done... Bone contact and animal fur are not conducive for a sharp knife edge. Would 5160 do that with out needing a touch up? I'm asking for real, 5160 edge retention vs INFI any side by side tests? My guess is may need a touch up or a strop after.

Again I ask thee... Show us KUKRI field abuse that surpasses any meager BUSSE and slices that out dices any INFI...
Seriously show us... Make a video take some pictures. Cause theres plenty of BUSSE cinderblock destruction and cars being chopped in half by INFI and SR101 floating through the inter webs frankly I'm tired of it... Show us the next level of blade awesomeness... All joking aside man show us we like pics and vids of knives destroying stuff around here.

 

[155440]

I don't own one but generally there are 3 things that come to mind in my own value/purchase calculus regarding Bussekin
1) Exclusivity-of materials, if you want INFI/SR101 they are they makers.
2) Camaraderie-buying a Busse mean you own a Busse and thats cool (to someone), same is true with high end brand names of anything(CRK/Strider/Hinderer/Coach Leather/Designer shoes/etc)
3) Warranty-they stand behind their product's use through bloody well near everything, only a few other maker offer such

Personally I don't have a use for most of their designs, tho I would love to own a high street one day.

I'm in the same boat as KAEDC and these are all things that appeal to me as a non-busse owner. Their designs are pretty awesome as well.

 

[The cow]

I have been a knife nut all my life and don't understand the Busse craze. Most I've spent on one is $150. What is it about Busse that commands the high price?
TY

INFI is some top secret dwarven mithril forged in dragonfire quenched in bacon grease.

Busse is the only maker and user of the steel so you have no real competition if you want to use that steel. While I have no experience with their products, you rarely hear anything bad about them either.

 

[AntDog]

RobStanley

I see,another kid here,from Busse crowd....I guess,check your facts, before you place any other nonsense here.....

It is however,as usuall post of "busse fanatic" that can not get over reality,there are knifes out there,that chopps better than any Busse..(speaking of subject,it is full flat tang with extremly well fixed,rivetted buffalo horn scales....) it is really hard to have any conversation with people who does not bother to check their facts,yet claiming "supremacy and expertise"

Guys,you are claiming that smaller,lighter Bowie like MOAB will outrun heavier Khukuri such as HI CAK in chopping performance,yet you call yourself "experts"...this only proves,once again my point,that i am talking to bunch of teenagers here,watching too many films,such as Walking dead....Having no clue about metalurgy,even less about basic physics.....

Please,next time if you wish to judge and insult others,have at least decency to read through the topic properly and not take comments out of whole context....If you have done that properly,you would see the character of conversation between me and others and would see,who is the character you just desribed....Its your own crowd you belong into.

I think it makes no more sense to have any more conversation in this thread,fanboys of Busse just met their ultimate nightmare,the blade that would smoke them all in chopping performance,"the busse killer" that's what infuriates them......

Every single knife,is made for some purpose,every knife owner is having blade for one or another reason,some to use,others to collect,etc.Stop insulting and judging others,just because they do not belong to your fanatical fanbase......

Adios,

Ok Mr seriousbladeno1, time to put up or shut up. Go get your friend's MOAB and have a chop off against your khuk. It's the only way you will ever know for sure.

You saying "it would be a total waste of time because I already know which one is better" holds no water with me.

If you take pictures of a head to head chop off I will eat my hat. Hell, just post a picture of you holding your friend's MOAB!

 

[AntDog]

I think the point may be there's nothing a Busse can do that a cheaper knife can't... Whether a khukuri or something else. Big or small, if you wanna blow cash on expensive blades for the fact that it's Busse or whatever go for it. Regardless of steel etc. is it cool to own a Busse knife? Sure. Is it true they're better than any knife that could be had for cheaper?... Lol sounds like someone trying to justify spending so much on a blade.

I don't own a Busse knife because they're "cool", or to be part of any "club". I also don't need to justify spending so much money on a blade either. I spent a grand total of 100 bucks on my favorite Busse.

The reason I own a Busse is quite simply that it has performed better than every other knife I have ever had that was close to the same size.

The fact is: I have used the hell out of TONS of knives. They all go dull long before the Busse, none of them are as tough, and none of them have better ergonomics.

I use my Busse knives like I don't give a flying crap about them. They are trouble free. They just work. They put up with ridiculous amounts of outright abuse. I never have to worry about them.

Worth the price? I think so. The performance is proven. It's not a myth, and they are not a key to the door of a secret clique where the cool kids hang out.

This is only me speaking from my own experience. I'm sure some guys are content to let a $500 knife sit in their safe just to feel exclusive and superior. Who knows?...

 

[mainaman]

Ok Mr seriousbladeno1, time to put up or shut up. Go get your friend's MOAB and have a chop off against your khuk. It's the only way you will ever know for sure.

You saying "it would be a total waste of time because I already know which one is better" holds no water with me.

If you take pictures of a head to head chop off I will eat my hat. Hell, just post a picture of you holding your friend's MOAB!

He is not going to do it because he does not have the balls. I called him out on that yesterday he did not address it, clearly avoiding the subject right now.

 

[Hale Storm]

I hope this thread continues. I've owned (and USED) two Busses. The SOB and the SAR 3. I'll hold my comments until later.

In the meantime I'm enjoying the banter, and the detractors and fanboys weighing in on both sides.

 

[AntDog]

He is not going to do it because he does not have the balls. I called him out on that yesterday he did not address it, clearly avoiding the subject right now.

I don't think he will do it because his friend doesn't really have the knife, and he doesn't really have access to it. I know for darn sure I don't have "a friend who owns a Busse MOAB". I couldn't get that lucky.

 

[bdmicarta]

Um, no. That's one crazy rumor if I've ever heard one.
I think you may be thinking of Emerson's custom knives or something. You can go to the Busse, swamp rat, or scrap yard websites right this second and place an order.

I did some limited searching on the subforum and didn't find anything about it, then a thread popped up. Apparently they just had one of these events where you can apply to buy a knife and lots of people were bummed that they got left out. They call it a "ganza".

The only reason anyone here is "trying" to justify buying a Busse is because I'll informed people are constantly saying they cost more, don't have good quality, aren't as good as cheaper blades

"cost more"? Yes, hard to dispute that.
"don't have good quality"? I have never seen any evidence of this.
"aren't as good as cheaper blades"? There are likely cheaper blades that will perform similarly. Come up with a reasonable repeatable test and try it with different knives, there may be some that can equal the Busse, or maybe not. Depending on the test there might be some that perform better. I'm guessing that a test that exercises the features of the Busse that they are designed for would show the Busse to equal or exceed any other knife.

But I'm an outsider, I still don't think they would sell me one.

 

[J85909266]

Check out the Scrapyard 1311 if you want to maximize the price to performance ratio. I hear you a few of those as well and I can promise you, you won't beat it. You can still grab one in the secondary market for less than $300 sometimes. They were only $200 when available direct.

I just have to snip this out and comment o it.

The 1311 is so, so good. It's like a super knife. It just dismantles everything I swing it at. It bites so deep on every swing. It doesn't feel clumsy and fat like many of Busse's other large choppers. The handle is super comfortable. I seriously haven't even looked at other fixed blades since I got mine, and that was years ago. It's just such an amazing design!

Anyway...

Yes, Busse is a premium brand, but their legacy in the knife industry speaks for itself. There is no hype. They are top tier products at the pinnacle of their market.

Does it suck that they don't come with a nice sheath? Yes.
Are some of their knives too thick to really be useful? Yes.
Does the clique vibe and redundant jokes at times become tiresome? Yes.
Is it annoying when you can't get the model you want because you weren't online enough to participate in the latest Ganza? Yes.

Busse isn't perfect, but what they do right, and it's a lot, is very well documented.

 

[AntDog]

I did some limited searching on the subforum and didn't find anything about it, then a thread popped up. Apparently they just had one of these events where you can apply to buy a knife and lots of people were bummed that they got left out. They call it a "ganza".




"cost more"? Yes, hard to dispute that.
"don't have good quality"? I have never seen any evidence of this.
"aren't as good as cheaper blades"? There are likely cheaper blades that will perform similarly. Come up with a reasonable repeatable test and try it with different knives, there may be some that can equal the Busse, or maybe not. Depending on the test there might be some that perform better. I'm guessing that a test that exercises the features of the Busse that they are designed for would show the Busse to equal or exceed any other knife.

But I'm an outsider, I still don't think they would sell me one.

The ganzaaaaas are for special edition knives. You can always order off their regular websites. The ganzaaaaas are a special case for special knives.

There are likely cheaper blades that will perform similarly? No. And I'm opening this up to knives more expensive than Busses as well.

Come up with a reasonable, repeatable test, etc., etc... This has been done. Many times. I recall a test where they took a basic 9 and chopped a log cabin's worth of 2x4s, cut through a ton of rope (so much they ran out), and the knife was still sharp.

Busses bend the competition over their knee and spank them, plain and simple. No arguing with the performance.

You pay for them, sure, but are they worth it? Hmmmm... To me they are the "everlasting gobstopper" of knives. You pay once for them up front and then try to break em. If you do, you get another one. (You won't)

Are they worth it?....

 

[knarfeng]

Please only discuss the knives. Do not discuss other posters.

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

I am back,for little while,in this thread-because i feel bad about harsh exchange of arguments yesterday....

If any of my comments related to topic insulted somebody, than please accept my apology,i had no intention whatsoever to get into any string of argueing post over silly things as i feel, just happend.....

My opinion however, didn't change in any way.I just want to show you guys respect,so as to your brand of knifes, you love!!!

Surely and i mention that already,i am also fan of your desired Busse and it is more than certain,they do very tough and unique blades,no doubt about this.

I respect you guys,despite what was said yesterday and wish you all best of luck....Did'nt wan't to leave without this being expressed to all knifenuts here involved,from me.....

My Regards

 

[lobo9er]

? ... So no kukri vids or pics to come? Come on man... Take some photos of how you abuse and use your kukri. No reason to skate. Just show some evidence of your claims.

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

He is not going to do it because he does not have the balls. I called him out on that yesterday he did not address it, clearly avoiding the subject right now.

Surely,this is not a bad idea,in matter of fact,we already had in on mind anyways in few weeks time,we go on camping trip if all goes well,will take few snaps and will chopp into pieces no matter what comes into our way,will post something after.

 

[mainaman]

Surely,this is not a bad idea,in matter of fact,we already had in on mind anyways in few weeks time,we go on camping trip if all goes well,will take few snaps and will chopp into pieces no matter what comes into our way,will post something after.

Sounds good.
If you can post a video it will be best, and certainly people will want to see some pics.
The parameters of the test have to be defined a little bit here. Obviously both knives will eat 6" or smaller logs easy, so IMHO the test should be on ~10" three. This ensures one has to do some work to get through the wood. I am curious which knife will do the job faster and which will be easier to use.

 

[Jeru]

I have been a knife nut all my life and don't understand the Busse craze. Most I've spent on one is $150. What is it about Busse that commands the high price?
TY

Unfortunately I don't own a Busse yet, but I think this picture answers your question best:



No edge damage whatsoever.



*Disclaimer: this is not my photo! I was so impressed with it I took it from the Busse forum here one day. I googled it, hoping to find the or an original page to link to it, but got zero hits unfortunately.

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

Sounds good.
If you can post a video it will be best, and certainly people will want to see some pics.
The parameters of the test have to be defined a little bit here. Obviously both knives will eat 6" or smaller logs easy, so IMHO the test should be on ~10" three. This ensures one has to do some work to get through the wood. I am curious which knife will do the job faster and which will be easier to use.

It will be on the large tree trunk,that we will find already cut down,not on the living tree.Not only it is prohibited and punishable offence,but i think it is very wrong to destroy living tree,just to test some knife.....But yes,no problem,we will find some solid tree trunk/large log like that....no prob,could do video too...What i would like to know,(i think very interesting test) no matter what blade of these two-how much force in thousands of pounds/kilograms it would take to break any of them, to snap them in half under pressure......that would be very exciting test,if done through some machine testing pressure meter reading...i d say it would be some crazy number in each case....

 

[Seriousbladeno1]

It will be on the large tree trunk,that we will find already cut down,not on the living tree.Not only it is prohibited and punishable offence,but i think it is very wrong to destroy living tree,just to test some knife.....But yes,no problem,we will find some solid tree trunk/large log like that....no prob,could do video too...What i would like to know,(i think very interesting test) no matter what blade of these two-how much force in thousands of pounds/kilograms it would take to break any of them, to snap them in half under pressure......that would be very exciting test,if done through some machine testing pressure meter reading...i d say it would be some crazy number in each case....

Not that i would like to destroy knife,,,not at all,just purely out of curiosity to know its breaking point....I also wonder where are all "noss4 destruction tests from years ago,or does he changed his nickname,for the other one? Seen very similar guy doing it -recently also posted here yesterday.....Is it him?

 

[mainaman]

It will be on the large tree trunk,that we will find already cut down,not on the living tree.Not only it is prohibited and punishable offence,but i think it is very wrong to destroy living tree,just to test some knife.....

That is self explanatory, of course there is no need to go through a living three, it is also a lot easier to chop through than a long dead one.


For the vids:

Here is a channel :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCReKyb0rO1E2Leamipn7Yfg/videos