Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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I still find it interesting, that I keep getting bad INFI, that wont hold an edge very long, I must have bad luck,..and Cobalt I wonder why you keep LOL ing after every statement, you still sound like a Kirby dealer trying to sale something.... since your so well experienced with INFI and its incredible edge holding capability, will you explain to me why the S5 model with the exact same geometry in INFI vs 101, the 101 will hold its edge longer in my findings of 5 blades vs 5 blades,... your claims are different, will you explain that, cuz I'm baffled now,
 
hollowdweller said:
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Thank you. :) My point being that I've made sheaths for hundreds of really expensive knives using that cheap little utility knife and stanley blades. I tried using a mora and was seriously disappointed. No way Im trying a Battle Mistress, uh uh, aint gonna happen! :p
FortyTwoBlades said:
Ironically, there aren't many high-end offerings for utility/box cutter knives out there. I've been looking for an upscale one and have yet to come across one that hits all the right buttons for me.
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I came across a (I kid you not) gold plated box cutter. You know the flat kind that slide in and out by pushing the back? Uses those single edge razor blades. I've got a brass plated one around here somewhere I got at Specs store, looks pretty sweet as well. Not good for anything but box cutting but they look pretty. :D
Guyon said:
Dude. No brainer. It has to be a Bessey. It's totally worth the bux.

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Now THAT is a sweet utility knife! A little rich for my wallet, but nice! I'll stick with my old beat up Stanley. :)
 
Some here need to Breathe deep. Many more inportant battles in life to focus on.

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Bowxpress said:
I still find it interesting, that I keep getting bad INFI, that wont hold an edge very long, I must have bad luck,..and Cobalt I wonder why you keep LOL ing after every statement, you still sound like a Kirby dealer trying to sale something.... since your so well experienced with INFI and its incredible edge holding capability, will you explain to me why the S5 model with the exact same geometry in INFI vs 101, the 101 will hold its edge longer in my findings of 5 blades vs 5 blades,... your claims are different, will you explain that, cuz I'm baffled now,
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well, when someone challenges my honesty, and call me a salesman, I can sit here and insult them back, or just laugh it off.;) which would you prefer

before I answer you below, where are the comparisons so I can read up on them, all 5 of each of your blades compared? also why not just sell those infi knives if you don't like them. proper testing keeps knife makers honest. Those kind of results are what someone like busse enjoys seeing. Other makers hate people testing their knives and saying that they performed sub par, not busse.

as for why you get bad infi, I don't know. have you brought this to busse's attention? I know that today's grinds are thicker than the older grinds on my blades. This may be part of the problem. Have you resharpened yours or had that done? I noticed that my newer SH1 is much thicker near the edge than my old large blades that I normally use. I know they probably do this because of all the fools that think it's ok to chop concrete with them. If you put a thin edge on this knives they will work really well. My old SHBM's are all Rc of 61-62. Not sure what current numbers are. But I think it is pretty well known that SR101 has better edge holding overall. I have never tested them back to back so can't comment.

I also just read on another forum where you stated that INFI rolled on medium wood. I find this ridiculous(your own words). I have never seen this happen and I actually have videos that prove it. I can see INFI rolling on a rock embedded in steel, but on regular wood. I would have seen that after chopping and batoning more than half a dozen cords of wood with an SHBM, and a few khukris. As well as throwing said SHBM into wood several thousand times. Not even a tip roll. No other knife I used ever matched that. In fact most broke.
 
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I do not think anyone can really argue the rope test as it was done in front of so many people. That being said I do think that in general SR101 will hold its edge longer than INFI will ON MOST MATERIALS. I think on very very hard things (things you really should not be cutting with a knife even if it is made of INFI or 3V) INFI may have a slight edge but on animals for sure I know from my own experience that a Rodent Solution will run complete circles around and Active Duty, and I personally think a lot of that does have to do with the steel.
 
demoteamone said:
All this thread, it's worth an ashtray mounted in a motorcycle.= Zero....
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I disagree wholeheartedly, to a lover of all things sharp like myself I look at this thread as a huge educational and entertainment opportunity. I learned a lot already and I hope it remains civil as it has apart from a few off handed remarks, which yours is not, as I have seen many ash trays on motorcycles most being full dressers. One in particular was a Honda Aspencade. That was one decked out bike, with a reverse gear of all things! :D
 
Me too, I'm enjoying the heck out of this thread.
I think 42 blades is too, he has posted on every single page so far! :rolleyes:

But seriously, I'm obviously a fan, and it is nice to see a thread wehre we can knock
around a bit; can't do that so much in the actual Busse Sub-Forum,
you haters would get kilt. :p
 
Wow 12 pages !!!!

Can't be bothered to read back through them all but I guess we've concluded that Swamprat's SR101 is where the wise money goes !;):thumbup:
 
pitdog said:
Wow 12 pages !!!!

Can't be bothered to read back through them all but I guess we've concluded that Swamprat's SR101 is where the wise money goes !;):thumbup:
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Can't beat that and scrapyard for the money. INFI is still tops when overall performance is taken into account, not just one facet, but 90% of the performance at half the price is hard to argue with.

I just got the scrap 1311 for $200. INFI of that size would have cost probably 4 times that much.
 
Cobalt said:
I know that today's grinds are thicker than the older grinds on my blades. I know they probably do this because of all the fools that think it's ok to chop concrete with them. If you put a thin edge on this knives they will work really well. .
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This is my experience as well. Some of the newer Busses are insanely thick behind the edge in comparison to the older stuff. It's aggravating but I understand why they are made that way with some of the "watch this" type stuff. It wouldn't make sense to be getting back a bunch of returned knives for warranty work because of stupidity. The knives unfortunately have been built for their most common fan base which wants absolute toughness first and foremost it seems.
 
crossada said:
This is my experience as well. Some of the newer Busses are insanely thick behind the edge in comparison to the older stuff. It's aggravating but I understand why they are made that way with some of the "watch this" type stuff. It wouldn't make sense to be getting back a bunch of returned knives for warranty work because of stupidity. The knives unfortunately have been built for their most common fan base which wants absolute toughness first and foremost it seems.
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exactly. Unfortunately, those that use knives correctly have to reprofile the edges on a lot of these knives to get them to work. The good part is that there is enough metal there to do that with. My old straight handles and even the remaining ehandles I have have great edges. And a lot of the custom shop stuff that I have seen have great edges.


Finally found someone else who remembers the tests, Andre. Based on this, I have not seen anything else do this yet. I have heard lots of stories of this and that and anecdotes. But there has not been any tests done at a blade show with witnesses or on video that show any other steel, to include SR101, beating what INFI did. Not to say there can't be, but no one has done it yet. And at 3200 cuts, it would take someone who is quite drunk and numb to do such a repetitive test :D

papathud said:
I would like to see new tests with the new knives with the new Edges.

I do have a vague memory of a 3,000+ push cut test done with either a newer SHBM Asym or a BME Asym.(Edited to add: Even at 3,200 the difference is roughly just 10% better than the asym Basic, but that would roughly double the standard edged early advertising for an SHBM in push cuts)

But that is just a little better than the 2,900+ done with the Basic #9 in a public test.

Still that is nearly double what was done with the Early SHBM (1,600+)with a Standard Edge.

With the 2,900+ public test/demonstration of the Asym Basic #9, I would still go with my old conclusion that the Asym makes a big Difference.

As far as I know, the Busse Combat Basic #9 still rules the world in publicly tested/demonstrated edge retention for a rubber handled knife.

Nothing else even comes close, maybe if a new big Busse knife in INFI comes out there will be a new winner.

I would like it for the new INFI/Heattreat combo and the new edge to beat the old knives with the Asym (looking at the Asym makes me think that I Must have already had enough to drink)
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Cobalt said:
Finally found someone else who remembers the tests, Andre. Based on this, I have not seen anything else do this yet. I have heard lots of stories of this and that and anecdotes. But there has not been any tests done at a blade show with witnesses or on video that show any other steel, to include SR101, beating what INFI did. Not to say there can't be, but no one has done it yet. And at 3200 cuts, it would take someone who is quite drunk and numb to do such a repetitive test :D
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Lot's of us remember the test. Here is another one, not at a BLADE show, but he claims the world record, and so far, I don't see anyone challenging him.

http://boyeknives.com/about.cfm

I will say, however, don't hang your hat on one test. While INFI did well, I would put a LARGE sum of money that high hardness CPM 10V could probably add a zero behind whatever score INFI makes. Check out Ankerson's testing thread of steels. Nobody's hating INFI, but just not buying edge holding hype. It all comes down to hardness and carbides. Steel is steel, except of course, when it comes to Rostafrei! :D
 
A few years ago, Jerry would have showed up here and posted. I'm sure Jerry learned to stop wasting his time. Jerry knows what his INFI steel can do and he tries his best to make his customers happy. I'll buy that.
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sodak said:
Lot's of us remember the test. Here is another one, not at a BLADE show, but he claims the world record, and so far, I don't see anyone challenging him.

http://boyeknives.com/about.cfm

I will say, however, don't hang your hat on one test. While INFI did well, I would put a LARGE sum of money that high hardness CPM 10V could probably add a zero behind whatever score INFI makes. Check out Ankerson's testing thread of steels. Nobody's hating INFI, but just not buying edge holding hype. It all comes down to hardness and carbides. Steel is steel, except of course, when it comes to Rostafrei! :D
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I would agree that steels like 10V or even 90V would out cut most hard use steels including INFI, SR101 or 3V. and I do remember boye knives test as well, because it basically equaled what Jerry did, 3000 ish cuts on 1 inch rope. And nothing even comes close to Rostafrei. :D
 
I dont really think that anyone could argue that INFI is a great jack of all trades steel. Its not the best at anything but it is very good at many things. I think some of the Busse designs are great but I think in smaller knives there are far far better choices, that statement is much harder to make as knife size grows. The Busse knives are great once you get up above 8 inches below that I think there are better choices to be had.
 
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