Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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Cobalt said:
Well, if you want quality, typically, you are gonna wait. Busse/swamprat/scrapyard is not the only one. Fehrman and any other company that has an intensive heat treat is not going to be quick. The old saying, you get what you pay for, is very true. But there are plenty of good knives out there that you can order immediately from other companies.
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Except they could make a few hundred and then list them available for shipping. If they get low they can make more. Even if they had as few as 100 available to start it would make more sense. It's not like they won't sell out.
 
Cobalt said:
It should be cheaper that way too. And if you HT it down to 58, you can probably wrap it around a pole several times and it will go back to straight:D
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Belt-chete? :p Well, since he likes putting out the sword designs, it seems, why not go totally crazy and make an Indian "urumi"? :D :D :D

[video=youtube_share;eMAsCuDFSUI]http://youtu.be/eMAsCuDFSUI[/video]
 
I agree if Busse did a machete it would need to be 18 inch 1/8th inch thick. That way you would be able to use it all day long, I personally could not imagine using a 1311 all day in the brush my arm would be as limp as cooked noodles.

Now lets just hope if they put it out they dont try to market it as the machete that chops cinder blocks and lets get some feed back from true South American users before designing it.
 
Well, if I remember correctly, the south american users in the jungles that Ron Hood stayed with liked the really heavy large blades that Hood took down. In fact, if I remember correctly from that time, they did not want to give the Busse SHBM back. So just because they use one thing and it's all they have, doesn't mean they don't prefer something else when they try it.
 
what I said about, you get what you pay for is not always true. Case in point is Mora. You get much more than what you pay for. Just had to add that.;)
 
Sellers love buyers to believe they get what they pay for. It costs more so it must be better.....nah. "Despite the importance and pervasiveness of marketing, almost nothing is known about the neural mechanisms through which it affects decisions made by individuals. We propose that marketing actions, such as changes in the price of a product, can affect neural representations of experienced pleasantness. We tested this hypothesis by scanning human subjects using functional MRI while they tasted wines that, contrary to reality, they believed to be different and sold at different prices. Our results show that increasing the price of a wine increases subjective reports of flavor pleasantness as well as blood-oxygen-level-dependent activity in medial orbitofrontal cortex, an area that is widely thought to encode for experienced pleasantness during experiential tasks. The paper provides evidence for the ability of marketing actions to modulate neural correlates of experienced pleasantness and for the mechanisms through which the effect operates." http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201002/does-price-tag-have-taste
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
5/32"? Noooooo I mean 1/8" or less. I'd like to see how INFI holds up in NORMAL machete dimensions. Not short, not thick. Maybe even distal tapered. ;)

Seriously, they make enough thick stuff. Let's see how it does long and THIN. :D
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You can't just use whatever steel to make whatever blade you want.
You have to work to each materials strengths.
The bigger Busses are choppers, not machetes.
Infi is very malleable, under impact it tends to deform, rather than chip, so you just steel it back to true.
I think the thick blade geometry makes it so that it is less likely to deform in the first place,
which also adds lots of mass for chopping.

Regardless of what your opinion might be as to its relative worth,
Busse Knife Group consistenly executes a very well thought out design strategy.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
You can't just use whatever steel to make whatever blade you want.
You have to work to each materials strengths.
The bigger Busses are choppers, not machetes.
Infi is very malleable, under impact it tends to deform, rather than chip, so you just steel it back to true.
I think the thick blade geometry makes it so that it is less likely to deform in the first place,
which also adds lots of mass for chopping.
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Erm...sounds like you're describing bronze. :o

If it's able to be run at high hardness and still be very tough and impact resistant (common INFI claim) it should be able to be used to make a long and thin machete without any trouble, eh? S7 has been used by custom makers for machetes, swords have been done in L6 and 5160, and most machetes are just 1055, 1075, or 1095. If INFI is really that tough it makes me wonder why it would be an inappropriate choice for such a tool...? :confused:
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Erm...sounds like you're describing bronze. :o

If it's able to be run at high hardness and still be very tough and impact resistant (common INFI claim) it should be able to be used to make a long and thin machete without any trouble, eh? S7 has been used by custom makers for machetes, swords have been done in L6 and 5160, and most machetes are just 1055, 1075, or 1095. If INFI is really that tough it makes me wonder why it would be an inappropriate choice for such a tool...? :confused:
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I agree. I think a machete from INFI would be incredible in performance and in price :D But I would probably get one, if they could keep it well under $200
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Erm...sounds like you're describing bronze. :o

If it's able to be run at high hardness and still be very tough and impact resistant (common INFI claim) it should be able to be used to make a long and thin machete without any trouble, eh? S7 has been used by custom makers for machetes, swords have been done in L6 and 5160, and most machetes are just 1055, 1075, or 1095. If INFI is really that tough it makes me wonder why it would be an inappropriate choice for such a tool...? :confused:
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No, bronze doesn't hold an edge all day.

Sorry that you are confused,
I tried to explain it to you in my above post.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
No, bronze doesn't hold an edge all day.

Sorry that you are confused,
I tried to explain it to you in my above post.
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He doesn't seem the slightest bit confused.
I think he simply doesn't see things the way you seem them.

If you really care about his state of confusion, how about you try to help him understand instead of feigning compassion as an attempt to insult someone?
 
Maniacal Pete said:
No, bronze doesn't hold an edge all day.
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It does if you don't use it. :D :D :D

Seriously, though, I see no reason why INFI would be an inappropriate steel for a "purebred" machete. If anything it sounds more like the idealized material. Commonly described attributes are: able to flex without snapping even when at high hardness, mildly corrosion resistant, massively impact resistant, supposedly high edge retention (or at least relatively so, given its performance in other areas.) It would just obviously make for an outstandingly expensive machete as well as an effective one. I'd still rather stick with 10XX series steel in terms of performance per dollar, or L6 for a bit more.
 
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Nullity said:
He doesn't seem the slightest bit confused.
I think he simply doesn't see things the way you seem them.

If you really care about his state of confusion, how about you try to help him understand instead of feigning compassion as an attempt to insult someone?
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There was no compassion there, I said I was sorry he was confused, ie: " :confused: " icon. Please do not try to read into what I said.
I agree that we do see things differently, and trust me I do not care about his state of confusion. :p

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It does if you don't use it. :D :D :D
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This is the type of comment that I find offensive.
You seem to be implying that people that have Busses don't use
them and that is how they stay sharp.

I may not think much of the knives that you own use either, you'll never know,
this is because I will be damned if you ever hear me make negative comments,
about them, or their owners here.

I'll explain again.
I think Infi has a tendency to deform on impact.
They get around this issue by making the blades thicker.
I've seen BWM's with deformed blades, they easily bend back to shape
all the while retaining their infi qualities (edge retention, etc).

If you use this steel to make a thin knife, it will bend when you use it.

For this reason, I an suggesting that I don't think Infi is the best steel for a
thin machete.

This is all conjecture on my part, based on what I've been able to glean
from my own reading.


Good day to you both, and I do mean that sincerely.


FTB - I had a question for you in the chopper pics thread,
don't know if you saw it:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11446346




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I wasn't implying anything by that comment--you read that meaning into it yourself, which I suppose is reasonable given the assertions by other board members to similar effect. It was simply meant as a humorous counter to you saying that bronze doesn't hold an edge all day. You didn't specify a specific use that would cause it to dull, and it's true it wouldn't hold an edge all day cutting cardboard or something. I was just bein' silly. :)

But yes I've seen a few cases where people have cited edge rolling and the like on their Busses. This is one of the reasons why I'd like to see a machete done in it--to magnify the observability of such a characteristic. It would kind of put the matter to bed, so to speak. If it really suffers from deformation resistance issues you'd find out quick and there wouldn't be able to be much argument over it, ya' know?

And sorry I missed your comment on the choppers thread--will respond now.
 
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That's cool, I guess typed words on the internet can be easy to misinterpret.

I think any material has to suffer some issues when stressed.

In the case of steel it's likely to either bend, crack,
chip or break when pushed beyond it's limit.

As to "putting the issue to bed," lol - not likely to happen any time soon, IMO;
I think the "discussion" surrounding Busse knives is likely to continue indefinitely. ;)
 
Oh I hear you there--I mean specifically the the edge rolling issue. In a machete that will magnify the effect, so given that I don't experience any edge rolling issues with 1075 unless I hit something I shouldn't, I imagine that INFI should hold up just fine. Like I said, though, the 10XX series of steels gives me more than enough performance as is, but it would be a fun experiment. :D
 
I think the edge rolling and not chipping would be an advantage in a machete most of all given that INFI is supposedly easy to sharpen (I am not doubting it with this comment I just have no experience with it so I am taking other members of the forum on there word) that is why the 10xx steels are so common in high end machetes. They are tough and will deform but are also easy to reshape. With INFI having such a higher level of toughness and edge holding over say 1075 I think it would make a darn fine machete, I do however think that if they made one and someone deformed and edge it would hurt the fact that some people think them to be industructable. All machetes deform if you hit something with them your not suppose to but they are still one of the best tools ever made and if they werent they would be used across the world as often as they are.


Given Busse is more than likely never going to make a machete maybe someone should take a NMFBM and grind it down to 1/8 inch thick and make there own :)
 
INFI would make a great machete steel, but considering machetes are cheap, not sure it is worth it. My tramontina's work well, but have no where near the edge holding of any of my normal blades, including 1095 or 1084 blades. Given that busse has eventually made most designs including khukuri's, I think the machete is a possibility.

has anyone ever made a machete out of cpm3v? how has that worked if so?
 
I love all hard use blades. I love me some infi. it's a great steel. I have had great luck with it holding a great edge, easy to sharpen and doesn't chip easy. I also love cmp3v, 5160, cmp154, sr101, 1095 and so on. I however hate D2 lol. I just can't sharpen the stuff once it goes dull. no matter how hard I try. I love to use my knives. this weekend we had a local chop in. nothing crazy hard use but we beat on them good. cutting wood, golf balls, water bottles and that was just in the coarse. not counting all the throwing and beating behind the scenes.

The infi steel held a killer edge through it all and could still shave after words. so did the 5160 of Bill Siegle's. And the cmp3v. however the 1095 and d2 were not ( I know the 1095 was shaving sharp but I'm not sure about the d2).

We had 3 busses finish 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. all of them still crazy sharp afterwards. no problems at all anywhere in the edge. Bill Siegles big boy took first, 5160 no problems at all in the edge and still could shave also.


Here is my run with the B-11

[video=youtube;F5Uj_RjvVmc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Uj_RjvVmc&feature=youtu.be[/video]


Here is a video of a CGFBM that was dull to begin with. it didn't fair to well but wasn't any duller when finished either lol

[video=youtube;Wb7a62ZoMHg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb7a62ZoMHg&feature=player_detailpage[/video]


[video=youtube;RUsse29rR3o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsse29rR3o&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
 
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