BUSSE OR MADDOG?

hey Cliff-
I am sorry man. Thats terrible how they treated you. This makes me never want to mess with their knives ever. A maker with a bad and prideful attitude is no maker i will deal with.
I am making this judgement from what i have heard of him and his company. Correct me if i am wrong.
Also guys....I usually use a ceramic to touch up my knives. Then i strope it backwards on leather with jewelers rouge on it. IS that a bad way to touch knives up? Or would a steel be better? i have never used a steel....but is the way i am doing it taking off too much metal?
thanks

 
I must agree with Lukers on this, sounds like Kevin already has enough customers.

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Cliff, are you telling us that Kevin has your money and your knife? That is wrong, you should get back one or the other.
 
Let's keep this away from topic drift folks.

How Mad Dog handles his customer service is something for another thread, or, more appropriately, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly forum, as that's the purpose of that forum.

For those of you who are new, let's stick to the topics at hand and keep *this* forum's purpose in sight. Discuss the merits of each knife/brand/maker, but let's keep away from the personal attacks.

Spark

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sorry spark and other guys,
I was just trying to be supportive to cliff.
Anyways...back to the topic. I would be speaking blindly if i went with one or the other. I have never held a knife made by mad dog or made by busse. But just from the field tests and torture tests done to busse's knives....i would have to go with busse. I am sure MadDog makes a sweet kickin knife but for the price and mile long reputation of busse....busse is the best.
Feel free to kick some sense into me if i am really wrong here
Again fella's...sorry for my previous post about maddog.
luke
 
Lukers:

I usually use a ceramic to touch up my knives. Then i strope it backwards on leather with jewelers rouge on it. IS that a bad way to touch knives up? Or would a steel be better?
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A smooth steel can't actually remove metal. It can only straighten out sub visible distortions in the edge. A grooved steel is basically a file. As for taking off too much metal, I always start with the least possible abrasive material and work up until I get the required edge. So I start by using a steel and see if that gets me where I want. If it doesn't then depending on how bad the edge is I might try a ceramic rod or have to resort to a DMT pad.

DB :

Cliff, are you telling us that Kevin has your money and your knife?
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Yes. Last time I asked him (about 6 weeks ago), he has sent it out to get pictures taken.

Busse has been driving me mental lately concerning my BM. When I last checked in 4 weeks ago everything was set and my knife was supposed to be in the mail. No sign of it yet and no return calls from messages left at Busse Combat.

While performance is obviously a large part of buying a particular knife. Dealings like this would not encourage me to recommend them to friends. I could care less about the wait but this - its ready - no now - ok really now - stuff does bug me.

I am fairly curious about its performance though and am eagerly awaiting its arrival which doesn't help the matter much.

-Cliff

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Walt,

Missed the info on the analysis you had done. It does appear INFI is not the high tech steel I was led to believe it was. Also the point about vapor steel is a very good point. But of course examples do exist and have been tested. Otherwise how would it have been possible to have it analyzed? Maybe vapor steel is not quite the correct way to describe it. One thing is very clear to me. There are good arguments to both sides here. I believe that this whole thing has gotten a bit out of hand. It seems that I fanned the flames early on which was not my intent. I think it is time for a very serious test between both makers knives by a totally impartial individule. I have not posted a response recently since I had hoped things would cool down. This apparently has not happend and it seems to have spilled over to knifeforums. I will say the swipe Mad Dog made was not as nasty as I had expected and it does not upset me in the least. After all it does seem looking back that I took a swipe at him as well so it is only fair. I apologize for the swipe I made at you Mad Dog if you are reading this. That does not mean my views have changed about certain issues. Walt really has done an excellent job of sticking to the facts. I can't help but wonder what happens if the so called vapor steel turns out to be what it has been billed to be. Time will tell no doubt.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
All this talk about Busse and MD and no mention of Edmund Davidson? There are other high quality makers that exist.
Bob
 
As a correction to some info posted above. MD has stated in his forum that he does not heat-treat his knives in the manner stated above (leave the edge untempered). I remember reading this in his forum, but could not find the post.

Anyway, he has not said exactly how he is doing it, but Allen Blade, who worked with MD, has confirmed in email that the edge is indeed tempered. He has in fact described the full heat treatment process, which I won't repeat here as it was an email. He worked with MD awhile ago though and the method could have obviously been updated since then. Since he does make O1 knives it would be interesting to do a side by side test to see if the performance is similar. If Allen's blade matched MD in performance odds are the heat treatments are similar as well.

Busse as well is very close mouthed about the heat treatment of INFI. And as an update I finally heard back about my Battle Mistress and once again should be seeing it in about a week or two.

-Cliff
 
This steel, that steel, this new process, that new process. I feel that the original question posed in this string was answered about a 1/4 of the way down the first page. But, hey it's a free forum (if not a free country) so have at it. Fact is that I've learned a lot about the "specifics" about MD and Busse knives (BTW thanks for the analysis). But the fact remains that many people who are looking for a WORKING knife, not a COLLECTORS knife, can't afford to plunk down $300+ for a blade. It all boils down to, 'Man this knife was expensive...I think I'll take my $15 machete and my factory-second SRK on this camping trip.' those are what will end up being you "survival" tool.

So I'll whimp out now and qualify my statement by saying, I'm not a knife maker, nor a metalurgist, hell I haven't even purchased a new knife in over a year. But, have spent some serious time out-of-doors with limited tools to work with (Thanks very much Uncle Sam) and found that the "best" knife is the one you have on hand.

My 2.5 cents....

"Another brilliant mind ruined my higher education."
 

Sandra - your comments seem to be very typical of people who have ordered knives from Busse. I get the feeling that he is way, way over his head in terms of the number of orders he has commited to and now his production knives (which are very late) on top of that. I had thought about ordering a custom from him but there are too many negative comments floating around. I'm even hesitant to order one of his production knives when it becomes available. I'm curious about the knifemaker you mention. Could you email me off list about this? Thanks.
 
Mr.rushing
I would have to agree. I gather that what you meant by " the best knife is the one you have in your hand" is that actually using a knife outside by learning to survive is better than having a fancy "survival" blade.
What kind of blade is your 15 dollar one? Is it the ontario?
luke
 
Lukers-
Actually the machete is an older one I picked up a little south of the boarder. Funny thing is I think it's the same type that Cold Steel sells in their "Special Projects" catalogue. The reason I started (and finally made it through) reading this string was because I'm currently considering purchasing a new knife to take care of most of my outdoor uses. And you hit the nail on the head about my earlier "best knife" comment. :-)
 
mr. rushing
Good! I kinda thought that is what you meant. Me personally, I am getting a basic 9. it looks really good! It will help me learn to survive along with survival and plant books
luke
 
Not taking sides, but wanted forumites to know that there is a thread in response to this thread on the other forum.

 
James :

Does anyone have any comments on Strider vs. Busse vs. Maddog?
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Striders knives are ATS-34 heat treated by Paul Bos for maxium wear resistance at the cost of toughness and corrosion resistance (Cr carbides out basically). Because of this I was never interested in them at all. However a recent thread in their forum simply amazed me :


http://www.knifeforums.com/ubb/Forum41/HTML/000022.html

Not only have Mick and Duane (from Strider) been very open about their warrenty policy, which by itself is a strong positive sign, they provided a very detailed description of the capabilities of their knives by way of a specific example of a warrenty case. There are few people who will be that specific about the types of stress it takes to damage their knives and further describe the extent of the resulting damage in such detail as doing so provides the means to make comparisons with great precision.

I was looking to buy a blade for my brother as a x-mas gift and I now know where it will come from.

-Cliff

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I spent about 40 minutes talking to Duane at the BACKA show last weekend. The toughness level (with specific examples) that he's claiming for his ATS-34 knives is very high. He talked a little bit about their heat treat, and I think what he was most protective about was the time/temperature curves for tempering. Anyway, hopefully one of us will get our hands on one of these knives soon and give it a workout, maybe alongside an A-2 knife of some sort to compare performance.

Joe
 
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