Busse vs. Fehrman vs.Strider

A few of you Busse guys are beyond sensitive. He tested three high end knives, and all of them came out looking good. His attitude in the report was dispassionate and professional.

What's the matter, good enough isn't good enough?
 
In my experience busse is a better choice.
I use my FFBM alot. I chopped down many trees with it and did alot of branching work with it and it's by far the most resistant knife I own.
 
Dispassionate and professional? When his summative assessment includes charges of "hype" and "overblown claims"? Perhaps folks might consider more carefully how bearcut's "assessment" is related to the knives in question:

bearcut said:
2)There is no ‘magical steel’ and no holy grail knife maker.
3)Hype does not equate to a better knife. Overblown claims are just that.
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These ideas are, in fact, not conclusions that could logically result from testing only three knives. They are simply reiterations of bearcut's own previously held dispositions. I think bearcut showed his hand already: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=521350
 
Give it a break. In this thread, he reviewed three knives. One after another, people chimed in with critiques of his previous posts in other threads. That's trolling.

Nowhere in the quote you extracted did he specify Busse. Instead of points 2 and 3, why not quote all of them, especially point 6 and the conclusion.

Assessment:
1)All the knives worked very well. None bent or broke. No edges chipped or deformed.
2)There is no ‘magical steel’ and no holy grail knife maker.
3)Hype does not equate to a better knife. Overblown claims are just that.
4)A Fallkniven, RAT or Becker will do anything these knives will do. You don’t have to spend $400 for a good solid knife. Edge holding may not be as good on a less expensive knife, but they will not ultimately fail you.
5)Any knife can be damaged or destroyed. Human stupidity trumps human technology every time. Dead fools never get a new knife under warrantee.
6) There were no major weaknesses in any of the knives. I would stake my life on any one of them without hesitation.

The winner:
Me! I own all the knives and can now pick the one that worked best as my primary survival knife. I could keep only one knife, any brand, and be very happy.

Hope this clears the air a bit.

Get what you want and don’t look back.
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Trolling?
Rat Finkenstein post # 15 deserves a warning
norcalblacktail post # 35 deserves an infraction
1kimo4u post # 39 totally missed the point
razorsdescent post # 40 wasn't too cool, either.

You should go back in your clubhouse and close the door and no one will ever get to tell you anything that's insufficiently obsequious or uncomplimentary.

WAY too sensitive.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
A few of you Busse guys are beyond sensitive. He tested three high end knives, and all of them came out looking good. His attitude in the report was dispassionate and professional.

What's the matter, good enough isn't good enough?
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did you read the other thread?

i have no problem with his eval here. in the other thread i find it difficult to believe he was anything else but a troll. that certainly affects his credibility.

there were others as well...
 
Esav, all I'm saying is that, if you revisit bearcut's history here at BFC, you'll see that he had a big old chip on his shoulder in past posts. He started said tests with such a chip, and as per his "assessment," he ended with it still firmly in place. When did a person's posting history suddenly become irrelevant here at BFC?

bearcut's chip in question is not about the knives. Its about the Busse crowd and their allegiance to the brand. That was my point to start with. bearcut in the past has enjoyed slinging the insults against Busse fans and users, and here, he just can't help himself from throwing in a little dig at the end of his review. Again, not at the knives. At the people.

I am actually happy that he likes his knives, Ferhmans and Striders too. I'm also happy to see that he'd stake his life on a Busse. All three makers have good reputations in terms of product, and I am glad (but not surprised) to see this notion confirmed.

As for the review, I would have enjoyed seeing a lot more information about his various methods in terms of evaluation. If you read that thread that I linked above, you'll see that bearcut was very particular (and critical) about technique when it comes to "push cutting." Nowhere in his review does he mention the varied specifics by which he conducted his testing.
 
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No, I'm not going to read the threads where you all argue back and forth. I will take it as a given that brand loyalties generate lots of antagonism. That's not what he displayed here.

You can be as suspicious as you like, but panning this review on the basis that his previous relations with you were unhappy is not what the General Knife Discussion is about. THESE are not appropriate in this forum. Discuss the knives, not the individuals.
Bearcut is one strange individual.
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Bearcut is a known TROLL.
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Esav Benyamin said:
Discuss the knives, not the individuals.
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I wholeheartedly agree. bearcut might take note as well. Discuss the knives. Not the fan base.

I have a question. Is it usual for reviews to stay here in General, or are they usually moved over to Reviews and Testing?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
No, I'm not going to read the threads where you all argue back and forth. I will take it as a given that brand loyalties generate lots of antagonism. That's not what he displayed here.

You can be as suspicious as you like, but panning this review on the basis that his previous relations with you were unhappy is not what the General Knife Discussion is about. THESE are not appropriate in this forum. Discuss the knives, not the individuals.
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that's fine, and i tend to agree, but one's history here is going to be remembered. and it will always affect their credibility.
 
Elen said:
Nothing much to comment on the review, really. As said, Busses, Fehrmans and Striders are all solid knives, and unlikely to break in "reasonable" use. There are differences in the knives, all kinds of differences, but certainly any of those is tough enough to never fail in reasonable, normal use.



I've never had any problems with the handles of Busse knives. All have stayed on very well, even though I've batoned quite a lot with them (and not always with just a little stick of wood, either...)

It's good if you've found a knife you're pleased with, ie. the Fehrmans, but I do wonder how you ended up spending over ten thousand bucks on knives whose handles fail to stay on according to your experience. Did the handles start spontaneously failing only after you had already spent 10k+, or did you for some strange reason just keep buying even after being disappointed with the handles? :confused:

In my experience, Busses certainly do not lose to Fehrmans when it comes to durability in use. And the Fehrman handles are just plain atrociously horrible for me (I hate the finger notches in the handle, as they limit grip options a great lot) - for some, of course, those may be the best fitting, most comfortable handles on earth, and that's good for them. Different people, different needs, different hands... that's why there are so many successful knife manufacturers and so many different successful designs. :thumbup:


As far as "hype" is concerned, though, I find none of those makers innocent to big buzz words and silly slogans. Do any of these ring a bell, perhaps? "Fierce tools"? (Exactly how fierce are we talking about here? Are they going to savage people they don't know?) "High speed tools for hardcore individuals"? (While this may make perfect sense in the American market, quite a few Finns have a hard time not dying of laughter upon hearing something like this. But I guess we're just not hardcore enough. Or high speed enough.) And then, of course... "Nuclear tough" etc etc... (Should I bring a geiger counter?) :D Well, I guess that's how combat type knives like this may tend to marketed. Not a problem for me, although it gives some good laughs every now and then. Point being, I wouldn't say that only one or two of these makers engages in "hype" - it's an industry-wide issue. :D
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Yeah i spent the money when they used the older brass rivots that were thicker go to youtube and type in sharpspears click on the first user sharpspears then look up his busse combat FFBM review his are coming loose.
Mine were fixed I then sold them.
 
theonew said:
Why don't you? Do something constructive for a change and write a review consisting of more than 10 words in a post :grumpy:
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22 words, one smiley. Just as worthless as the rest of the bickering. :thumbdn:

I mean I love Spydercos, and I have a lot of "brand loyalty" to them. That doesn't mean I have to jump out of my skin whenever someone decides to sling some mud at "them little knives and round holes."
 
I will say this. I applaud bearcut for stepping up to the plate and putting his money where his mouth used to be. In the past, he was critical of Busse users and Busse Combat in general without ever having owned one of the knives, and I'm glad to see that he finds a Busse knife to be a good pick for hard-use scenarios.

The BATAC that he reviewed is, as mentioned, the LE version. The "Combat Grade" (CG) BATAC, a thinner knife, is one of my favorite blades for outdoor use because it fits a lot of knife into a nice package without the extra weight and thickness. I also like mine because it displays one of the nicest snakeskin micarta patterns that Busse ever used.

Here, you can see a comparison pic of the LE and the CG versions.

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And here is a pic of my preferred version, the CG.

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Here it is alongside an older version of the Badger, the BA III.

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In fact, as I look across some of my user pics from campouts or hikes, that little BATAC pops up a lot...

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It also makes a nice modem killer.

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