Buyer Protection without G&S?

[Peter Hartwig]

I have no problem paying taxes, honestly, for an honest government to represent me.

I Don't like a company pushing Their woke values on me, cancelling me, locking My funds, preventing me from donating to the charity of My choosing.....F Them!

People or organizations who push values have None! Plain and Simple.....get woke, go Broke.

I ask for MO. For my services.
Don't trust Me, that's fine...... ALL of us are only as good as our Word.

I wish you All a good day.
Thanks.


*Edit.
Just so we are All clear.... ?
It's Not about the money.

I prefer money orders to F&F
Nothing wrong with trust
And nothing wrong with choosing not to use PP

 

[Locutus D'Borg]

I offer to pay the fees for G&S. I no longer do FF for knives over $500. For the record, I don't care about the politics of some PP executive or Benchmade etc. If I only bought from or sold to people or companies that agree with me, I'd have very few knives or anything else. That is me, I completely respect those who do otherwise.

 

[stonesell]

If both buyer and seller agree, a C.O.D. payment might offer some middle ground, especially if the carrier is paid with a credit or debit card.

 

[71rockstar]

You guys can keep crying “fraud” all day long, but we all go over the speed limit.. many of us roll through stop signs with no one around, and many of us cross the street outside of the crosswalks. You want to pay taxes? Go write a big fat check and take it to the IRS. It‘s getting annoying hearing people cry about “fraud”. Go report us all if it bothers you that much but stop trying to guilt-trip grown adults that are perfectly capable of making their own decisions.

My issue is in trusting someone to not rip me off who is already ripping Paypal off...

 

[King of the Cheese]

My issue is in trusting someone to not rip me off who is already ripping Paypal off...

Thats apples vs. oranges. Plenty of people sell under f&f that conduct flawless transactions. They aren’t ripping PayPal off.. they’re really ripping off the IRS. PayPal just won’t pay a claim if there’s a loss. You pay PayPal for the insurance, NOT the taxes.

 

[Wild Willie]

You guys can keep crying “fraud” all day long, but we all go over the speed limit.. many of us roll through stop signs with no one around, and many of us cross the street outside of the crosswalks. You want to pay taxes? Go write a big fat check and take it to the IRS. It‘s getting annoying hearing people cry about “fraud”. Go report us all if it bothers you that much but stop trying to guilt-trip grown adults that are perfectly capable of making their own decisions.

Lest we forget, we're supposed to file a sales tax form for out of state purchases and pay additional sales tax to our state of residency as well... How many people do that?

So I hope you guys keep your receipts for gas, meals, and souvenirs when you're on vacation or you're committing fraud.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Lest we forget, we're supposed to file a sales tax form for our of state purchases and pay additional sales tax to our state of residency as well... How many people do that?

So I hope you guys keep your receipts for gas, meals, and souvenirs when you're on vacation or you're committing fraud.

Exactly. They want their cut of literally everything we buy. Some are all too willing to fork it over.

 

[ferider]

Are there any services other than PP G&S that offer buyer protection?
How does one maximize security with an exchange purchase these days?

AMEX.

 

[Crag the Brewer]

My issue is in trusting someone to not rip me off who is already ripping Paypal off...

What about all the people hiding what the sale is for on the PayPal receipts?

Some of what I make are weapons. A dagger is a dagger is a dagger......

Isn't calling that Not what it is, and selectively choosing certain words Also fraud?
Because...... It IS against their policy.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Lest we forget, we're supposed to file a sales tax form for our of state purchases and pay additional sales tax to our state of residency as well... How many people do that?

So I hope you guys keep your receipts for gas, meals, and souvenirs when you're on vacation or you're committing fraud.

Not to dwell on this, but that is not fraud. Tax fraud is the planed avoidance and steps then taken to avoid paying the tax, not simply not paying it. As stated earlier, I don't think this will lead to a problem, but that is what we are doing when trying to hide sales for tax reasons.
So far the best answer , with to the OP's ? IMO Seems to be post 2 - vet and credit cards. Credit cards if you can use them being the best. They are very obliging,in negative situations

 

[Wild Willie]

Not to dwell on this, but that is not fraud. Tax fraud is the planed avoidance and steps then taken to avoid paying the tax, not simply not paying it. As stated earlier, I don't think this will lead to a problem, but that is what we are doing when trying to hide sales for tax reasons.
So far the best answer , with to the OP's ? IMO Seems to be post 2 - vet and credit cards. Credit cards if you can use them being the best. They are very obliging,in negative situations

If you know it's supposed to be done and then don't do it, you're taking steps and planning on avoiding it.

Ever have a yard sale? Pay a kid cash to mow your lawn? Do you not trust that kid because he isn't reporting it? Doesn't matter if he doesn't make enough to pay the tax, a return still has to be filed.

 

[BD_01]

AMEX.

Please explain.

Thanks.

 

[ferider]

Please explain.

Thanks.

Takes me a 5' phone call to recall a charge with AMEX, also for a PP F&F payment (note that for a CC F&F paypment, PP will charge extra).

PP FF knife sellers put their Paypal account at high risk and don't realize it.

 

[LLRJ17]

What about all the people hiding what the sale is for on the PayPal receipts?

Some of what I make are weapons. A dagger is a dagger is a dagger......

Isn't calling that Not what it is, and selectively choosing certain words Also fraud?
Because...... It IS against their policy.

This.

The hypocrisy is ripe in these threads.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

If you know it's supposed to be done and then don't do it, you're taking steps and planning on avoiding it.

Ever have a yard sale? Pay a kid cash to mow your lawn? Do you not trust that kid because he isn't reporting it? Doesn't matter if he doesn't make enough to pay the tax, a return still has to be filed.

Believe you don't usually have to file under $12950.
But mow my own lawn

But my point is simply to inform,not judge. How big a hole ( even with low chance), do you want to dig, just to avoid filing on knives you will not owe taxes on, or missing a receipt you will not be asked for. The decission is yours to make. However unless you do the transaction person to person with cash, there is a trail, if someone cares to follow it. I am not free of some rule bending.
I can use PP G&S, but will not be paying any taxes.

 

[Wild Willie]

Believe you don't usually have to file under $12950

But my point is simply to inform. How big a hole ( even with low chance), do you want to dig, just to avoid filing on knives you will not owe taxes on, or missing a receipt you will not be asked for. The dcission is yours to make. I am not free of some rule bending.
I can use PP G&S, but will not be paying any taxes.

The whole point I was trying to make is how many average Joes actually pay their entire tax obligation? The government already takes a big wet bite out of everything I do. I'm not going to go through the trouble of reporting to New York state the 10 bucks I spent on a knife at a gun show in South Carolina, but if I obeyed the letter of the law I should be.

Where I take issue is guys getting worked up about it being a sign of bad character to not do this by the book. Anyone who has gone 3 miles over the speed limit is still breaking the law and nobody gets worked up over that. Anybody have a drink or cigarette before they'd attained legal age? Still broke the law...

Were I to sell 600 bucks worth of my collection (which would about clean me out of knives if I'm being honest)
I'd simply hand the 1099 to the tax lady. As a self employed fella there's usually a few anyway, but that's just me. A good accountant knows how to play their games and help you come out on top.

I don't blame guys not wanting to deal with it though, certainly doesn't make them dishonest individuals. The government lies all the time, I hold the conviction that they deserve the same treatment we receive, including being lied to on occasion.

 

[Crag the Brewer]

The whole point I was trying to make is how many average Joes actually pay their entire tax obligation? The government already takes a big wet bite out of everything I do. I'm not going to go through the trouble of reporting to New York state the 10 bucks I spent on a knife at a gun show in South Carolina, but if I obeyed the letter of the law I should be.

Where I take issue is guys getting worked up about it being a sign of bad character to not do this by the book. Anyone who has gone 3 miles over the speed limit is still breaking the law and nobody gets worked up over that. Anybody have a drink or cigarette before they'd attained legal age? Still broke the law...

Were I to sell 600 bucks worth of my collection (which would about clean me out of knives if I'm being honest)
I'd simply hand the 1099 to the tax lady. As a self employed fella there's usually a few anyway, but that's just me. A good accountant knows how to play their games and help you come out on top.

I don't blame guys not wanting to deal with it though, certainly doesn't make them dishonest individuals. The government lies all the time, I hold the conviction that they deserve the same treatment we receive, including being lied to on occasion.

Id buy you a beer, if I were closer!

I consider myself a Good person.
I actually Really try to be.
I obey all the laws to the Best of my ability. What I don't like is the feeling of being set up.... Set up to fail. In my opinion our government Wants us to be criminals. They stack the cards against us. The average guy can't pay tax accounts and lawyers to dig through red tape, and loop holes.

 

[Wild Willie]

Id buy you a beer, if I were closer!

I consider myself a Good person.
I actually Really try to be.
I obey all the laws to the Best of my ability. What I don't like is the feeling of being set up.... Set up to fail. In my opinion our government Wants us to be criminals. They stack the cards against us. The average guy can't pay tax accounts and lawyers to dig through red tape, and loop holes.

 

[BD_01]

I’ve followed most of the threads about PP 1099’s, their anti-knife bs, etc. I don’t want to rehash all of that.

Are there any services other than PP G&S that offer buyer protection?

With all due respect folks, the morality of F&F has been beaten (though seeming not to death) on this forum for years. Start a dedicated thread if you want to keep beating it.

There’s also this thread for bitching and moaning about taxes and 1099’s.

I’d like to keep this thread open to see if anyone other than ferider has actual ideas about purchase protection. Thanks for your input ferider .

 

[Peter Hartwig]

If using a non guaranteed transfer such as PP FF ,money orders or something else you may want to go over the terms of the seller . Regardless of forum rules, this will vary presumming you are not dealing with one of the very few all out scammers. Many will offer the same protection(based on their word and honor) that PP G&S offers. With these they take care of their problems and you never would have needed to file a claim. They will guarantee delivery and take back the item(no problem) if not as described or you are unhappy with it. There are others however that feel once they have your money and it is sent, they are done and the money gets spent. Worth your time to make sure you are dealing with the former. A little concersation can often tell you a lot about the person you are dealing with.
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