Buying multiple knives as soon as available, to resell most

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Seth Green said:
The free market is probably the best example of "fair" i can think of.
Example: 500 units are put on the free market. They are available to all, first come first serve.
What's unfair is limiting a person's ability to buy so that another can get a unit as well. That's socialism, one small step away from communism.
What's next, giving everyone a participation trophy?

Your inability to acquire a unit( for whatever reason) should not impinge on my ability to acquire one or more units. It's called capitalism. You are not entitled to get one.
Making this an ethical issue is just silly. A person acquiring two or more units, with the intent to sell all but one for a profit isn't unethical or shady.
The strong survive, the weak fall. That's the way it's always been.
It's easier to whine about fairness than it is to find a way to succeed.

Just my opinion, no offense intended.
Have a great day BF members!
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You might want to check on what Socialism is. Or not.

A seller having a policy of, for example, "One to a customer" or "Limit of five at sale price" is a classic example of capitalism.
 
That's an interesting idea. But if I were a seller and I could sell all of my inventory all at once for my asking price, thereby maximizing my profit and minimizing my selling and inventory costs, I'd call THAT capitalism.
 
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Then why do like Tony Bose and have drawings for your knives, why not sell all of them to one guy?

who cares?
 
Thomas Linton said:
You might want to check on what Socialism is. Or not.

A seller having a policy of, for example, "One to a customer" or "Limit of five at sale price" is a classic example of capitalism.
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Sorry you feel that way. Taking from one person and giving it to another is socialism.
Much more to the point, when the OP talks about fairness, he means he wants preferential treatment.
What makes his "pursuit of happiness" more valid than another's?
Thanks for your thoughts!
 
Seth Green said:
Sorry you feel that way. Taking from one person and giving it to another is socialism.
Much more to the point, when the OP talks about fairness, he means he wants preferential treatment.
What makes his "pursuit of happiness" more valid than another's?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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I agree with you but if there's a habit of flipping a knife on these forums even a couple times a year they should be required to pay for a dealer membership. That's not socialism, that's making a person pay the forum for hawking their wares at a rate equitable with other dealers who admit what they are. If someone sits on a knife for a year or two and then sells it at market value, that's cool. That's just buying and selling. The problem comes when someone buys with the obvious express intent to corner the market. That's a monopoly, and the dark side of capitalism that people don't speak too much about.
 
Well Morrow hit the nail on the head. Teasing out the dealers from the occasional sellers who sell more often than occasionally is a daunting task.
 
bld522 said:
Well Morrow hit the nail on the head. Teasing out the dealers from the occasional sellers who aren't really all that occasional is a daunting task.
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I know of at least one guy who scours and combs finding the best prices (even if there's an honest mistake in pricing from the original seller) on knives and flips them here for profit. When we forumites start looking and identifying them, its not hard for the mods to act.


Tell me this, if I buy knife blanks from anyone who will supply them to me, put handles on them, and sell them for a 100% profit, can I do that with a gold membership?

What about if I find a knife maker in Poland and work a deal with him where he sell me knives for $20 and I turn around and sell them here for $200? Can I do that with a gold membership? What's the difference between that and cornering the limited market runs and flipping them? Is there a difference between doing that and buying a Hinderer for 385 every month and flipping it for $800 (back when you could)?
 
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rma100 said:
My goodness Guys!!! It's just a pocket knife!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused:
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:thumbup::thumbup:

I have spent maybe 5 minutes total in the year and half or so I have been here on the forum thinking about this topic. Then I realized there are more important things to get stressed out about than getting a pocket knife. I stopped caring and gave away more than I own now. The hunt is addictive gentlemen and consumption is as well. I believe most who complain about missing out on getting a knife are more concerned with matters that are related to consumption.

Knife buying, hoarding, flipping, and philosphy is one thing but perspective on values and priorities in life are another.

Anyways just my 2 cents. Feel free to disagree, agree, or whatever. Im content either way with it and the knives I have.

Oh, and on a side topic, just because you get a knife, it shouldn't make your life better. So please, stop saying youre blessed if you get one. Again, it's just a knife.

Ok that was 2 more cents.
 
"Taking from one person and giving it to another is socialism. "

Not a very accurate definition, and not the facts here. No one "took from one person and gave to another." Instead, someone took (money) from a person and gave (a knife) to that same person. That's not income redistribution; it's capitalism: "Buy cheap and sell dear." Please don't take my word for it. Google "Socialism."
 
bodog said:
I know of at least one guy who scours and combs finding the best prices (even if there's an honest mistake in pricing from the original seller) on knives and flips them here for profit. When we forumites start looking and identifying them, its not hard for the mods to act.


Tell me this, if I buy knife blanks from anyone who will supply them to me, put handles on them, and sell them for a 100% profit, can I do that with a gold membership?

What about if I find a knife maker in Poland and work a deal with him where he sell me knives for $20 and I turn around and sell them here for $200? Can I do that with a gold membership? What's the difference between that and cornering the limited market runs and flipping them? Is there a difference between doing that and buying a Hinderer for 385 every month and flipping it for $800 (back when you could)?
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If you buy blanks and put handles on them you would need a Knifemaker membership to sell them here...Gold won't work. If you look at the Subscriptions page you'll see the membership requirements spelled out pretty clearly.

If you find a maker in Poland where you are buying wholesale and then reselling here, you would need a Dealer membership. This has happened here and becomes pretty easy to spot. The other stuff you mentioned isn't nearly as easy to sniff out and we depend largely on the help of members to identify "stealthy dealers" who are trying to skirt around the rules. Sometimes it boils down to research and watching Exchange activity to find a dealer hiding behind a Gold membership. Sometimes this activity goes back a year or more.
 
Can't people agree that the sort of behavior originally described is just a crappy way to buy and sell collectable knives without dragging really inaccurate descriptions of capitalism and socialism into the discussion?

Like the guys who order a Skookum Bushtool or other really well made, reasonably priced, desirable knives that have a waiting list, then sing its praises and upon delivery immediately flip it for twice what they paid, who wants to deal with folks like that while pursuing a hobby?

Life's too short to do deals with rank opportunists.

Treat others as you'd like to be treated has worked out pretty well over the years.
 
Rookie82 said:
I see nothing wrong with it. Nothing is a sure deal, it's his risk and time and money he's gambling with.

I have a relative who thought the Queen made Winchesters in the 80's and 90's were going to be the new hot thing. He bought multiples of every single knife released, held them for 20 years, and is now selling them off for approximately what he paid for them 20 years ago. No profit made in that $2,000 endeavor. Actually, with all the celluloid outgassing, he's probably in the red on them.
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Exactly the same thing happened with Cammilus made Remingtons. There's a bunch of people who thought they would be hot in the future, now they sit unsold and the price has dropped to less than original.
 
I have to say, gotta love the condescending comments of "It's just a knife! It's not something to get angry/irritated/some-level-of-emotion-response-here over it!"

Actually, it's little to do with the knives at all. For me, it's the fact that a flipper is a scumbag who got to an item first, bought all of an item he could, so he could turn around, jack the price excessively, and sell them to those who want them. It's predatory in every respect. Their entire reason for existing is to soak extra money out of a person who wants the item in question. They are middleman garbage who add zero value to the equation. And let's not pretend that scalpers are just capitalism at work. Their job is to take advantage of a market that exists in order to demand extra money from folks who want an item, what EVER that item is, and usually do so by having obtained items through a series of channels and the Good Ole Boy network that ISN'T available to everyone. In fact, that cracks me up that some of you would even insinuate that that was the case, that it's all fair. How many cases have there been where special edition knives were ordered by a shop, whose owner funneled every one of them to his best friend, who sold them at triple the price the shop would have asked?

Flippers are no better than those scumbags who mark up the prices of gasoline, ice, or bottled water during hurricanes or other natural disasters.

Now, not a single person here has to agree with me. This is my opinion, and my opinion only. I will say it's also my opinion that the only folks who argue that flippers should be left alone and able to ply their trade? Are flippers themselves. So, let's cut the BS about "You shouldn't be upset about flippers doing their thing, it's just capitalism!" That is a ridiculous assertion.
 
The ones who consistently sell items for ridiculous sums are easy to spot and easy to ignore. The same goes for makers who attract these critters. Eventually I find what I want at the price I'm willing to pay. There's too many things I can buy to worry about what I can't.
 
Personally, I'm less annoyed by flippers than I am by people who consider themselves some sort of moral arbiter.
 
Quiet said:
I have to say, gotta love the condescending comments of "It's just a knife! It's not something to get angry/irritated/some-level-of-emotion-response-here over it!"

Actually, it's little to do with the knives at all. For me, it's the fact that a flipper is a scumbag who got to an item first, bought all of an item he could, so he could turn around, jack the price excessively, and sell them to those who want them. It's predatory in every respect. Their entire reason for existing is to soak extra money out of a person who wants the item in question. They are middleman garbage who add zero value to the equation. And let's not pretend that scalpers are just capitalism at work. Their job is to take advantage of a market that exists in order to demand extra money from folks who want an item, what EVER that item is, and usually do so by having obtained items through a series of channels and the Good Ole Boy network that ISN'T available to everyone. In fact, that cracks me up that some of you would even insinuate that that was the case, that it's all fair. How many cases have there been where special edition knives were ordered by a shop, whose owner funneled every one of them to his best friend, who sold them at triple the price the shop would have asked?

Flippers are no better than those scumbags who mark up the prices of gasoline, ice, or bottled water during hurricanes or other natural disasters.

Now, not a single person here has to agree with me. This is my opinion, and my opinion only. I will say it's also my opinion that the only folks who argue that flippers should be left alone and able to ply their trade? Are flippers themselves. So, let's cut the BS about "You shouldn't be upset about flippers doing their thing, it's just capitalism!" That is a ridiculous assertion.
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Agreed,

I agree flippers who do this this consistantly, or buy in bulk to auction off, are not my type of knife people. However, Im not going to get worked up over enough to let it have that much of an impact in my life.

A hobby should not be life consuming imo. By saying it is a knife and there are more important things I hope I didn't come across as condescending.

In humility, I wouldn't be on the forum if I didn't enjoy the hobby.

However, I doubt many here NEED another knife. The flippers you described who jack up the prices of gas, water, etc are predators taking advanatge of a NEED not a WANT and are a lot worse imo.
 
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