California state law wth.

Haha yea that is something we're used to down here but thats besides the point. As for the local laws and such, where should I check? Because I've already read everything else in this post but that is vague for CA.
 
every law i have looked for could be found with a simple google search.

is hayward the city or county?

try hayward municipal laws or hayward county laws. you can substitute "codes" or "sections" for laws. once you find a site, likely the city/county site, just use the internal search engine to identify knife specific sections.

local libraries may also have complete hard copies of all the sections.
 
Dangerous weapon shall mean and include:

A. Any knife having a blade three inches or more in length, or any snap-blade or spring-blade knife regardless of the length of the blade;
B. Any ice pick or similar stabbing tool;

C. Any cutting, stabbing or bludgeoning weapon or device capable of inflicting grievous bodily harm;

D. Any dirk or dagger or bludgeon or blackjack;

E. Any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle;

F. Any rifle, gun, pistol, revolver, air rifle, B-B gun, air gun, sling, sling shot, or other similar instrument or device designed or intended to discharge or capable of discharging a bullet, shot, or other missile of any kind. (Prior gen. code § 4-11.0)
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Yea I think i found my answer.

Nothing in this chapter shall be deemed or construed to prohibit the selling, giving, loaning, or furnishing to any minor, upon written consent of the parent or guardian of such minor, any dangerous weapon as defined in subsection F of Section 9.12.050; nor to prohibit such minor from using or having in his possession, care, custody or control any such dangerous weapon as so defined in the event that such possession, care, custody, control or use is had with the consent of the parent or guardian of such minor and is under the direct supervision and control of some adult person; nor to prohibit any minor from using or having in his possession or control any dangerous weapon which is in good faith in his possession or control or use for his lawful occupation or employment or for the purpose of lawful recreation. (Prior gen. code § 4-11.2)
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If I'm not mistaken, that means that I'm able to carry it in "good faith"?

Notwithstanding Section 9.12.070, it shall be unlawful for any minor carrying upon his person or having in his possession or under his control any dangerous weapon to engage in any fight or participate in any rough or disorderly conduct upon any public place or way or upon the premises of another. (Prior gen. code § 4-11.3)
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Basically that means that I am not able to call it or brandish it as a weapon or else it becomes illegal to have because it then becomes a weapon right?
 
lucky21 said:
If I'm not mistaken, that means that I'm able to carry it in "good faith"?
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you are a minor?

what that portion means is it is legal to possess for lawful occupation or recreation, and generally to and from.

otherwise it seems you must be under adult parental supervision and have parental consent to be in possession.
 
Yea 17, about 9 months shy of 18 unfortunatly. So then it's concluded I need to wait till I'm 18 to wear it legally, to and from work that would require me to have it on my persons?
 
if needed for work, you are fine while working, and generally to and from.

but it would be difficult to justify a large bowie for work purposes.
 
Yea your right, but I work construction every now and then when the opportunity comes so I could use it then, however it doesn't seem likely that I will considering, well that would be unnecessary haha. Thank you for all the links and help, otherwise I most likely would have been arrested and that's no fun.
 
A large fixed blade for construction? I stay stick to box cutters when abusive work is to be done. Too much blade chipping stuff on a jobsite.

Thanks for the info guys. I knew there was no way I was living in the new UK.
 
Yeah it sounds wierd, but its pretty useful when a box cutter or a folding knife won't do the job.
 
In general, there's a lot that's not written into the laws that still make an enormous difference in a real-life situation, in which the cop is deciding whether he's dealing with a taxpayer or a probable threat to the citizenry. (That's his JOB, after all!) Somebody who's clean and neatly trimmed, and whose clothing isn't "making a statement" could get searched in a routine situation, and even if he's carrying a switchblade, will probably just get warned. Someone who smells bad, displays "attitude" and just generally comes across as a bum will get busted for a nailfile. That's just the way it is. "Never argue with a cop."
 
And just one more point: For any YOUNG guy, under 45 (say), and particularly under 26, the only common-sense policy is to never carry any knife with a blade of more than 2 1/2" or 3" in length. When the testosterone-level is high, then the probability of violence is proportionately higher. Us old farts in our fifties just don't seem to be so easily offended. But at 19, or 23, woof!! WATCH OUT. Cops KNOW that, and are just as scared of getting hurt as the rest of us. Believe it. You can take that to the bank.
 
I'm kinda lost here in this thread. Tried looking at the links, didn't understand much. I live in Arizona and have a concealed weapons permit, so anything goes for me here except ninja weapons:D

I'm going to California for a few days and it will probably be mostly recreational stuff outside the cities, maybe one day in town. This will be between San Francisco and Sacramento. I know the only concealed weapons permit recognized by CA is one from CA, which is crap, but anyway... what kind of blade should I be bringing? I'm thinking one fixed blade and one folder, like a small neck knife or medium belt knife, and a large Sebenza for a folder. Would I be OK with those?
 
JediKnight86 said:
I'm going to California for a few days. ... what kind of blade should I be bringing? I'm thinking one fixed blade and one folder, like a small neck knife or medium belt knife, and a large Sebenza for a folder. Would I be OK with those?
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Keep all blades under 4" in case you go into a state or municipal building.

To avoid all legal issues, do not go onto any K-12 school (public or private) or college or university grounds (public or private) with a knife of any size.

Belt knife worn openly from a belt around your waist: no problem. Worn inside the pants: most likely a big problem. Do not cover the knife with a shirt either. The idea is that people have to be able to see that you're carrying a knife in a sheath on your belt.

Large Sebbie: no problem. Can be carried in your pocket or on a belt sheath.

Neck knife: If worn under a shirt, it's a concealed dirk or dagger and a crime. If worn over a shirt, might still be treated as a concealed dirk or dagger. You're asking for problems with a neck knife, at least in a city.
 
JediKnight86 said:
I'm going to California for a few days and it will probably be mostly recreational stuff outside the cities, maybe one day in town. This will be between San Francisco and Sacramento. I know the only concealed weapons permit recognized by CA is one from CA, which is crap, but anyway... what kind of blade should I be bringing? I'm thinking one fixed blade and one folder, like a small neck knife or medium belt knife, and a large Sebenza for a folder. Would I be OK with those?
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I personally carry a CS X2 Voyager and I have never had a problem (except in L.A. 3" is the limit). You can't carry it around schools and what not, but as long as they can see the clip of the knife on your pocket it is ok. I think I may recall reading something about belt knifes being illegal (I'm not too sure on this). I'd be cautious with the belt knife. I wouldn't recommend the neck knife either because if its inside the shirt it's considered concealed and it its worn outside the shirt, it draws too much attention. I just opt to carry multiple folders instead.
 
The 3" limit in LA only applies to open carry.

Seeing the clip on the pocket is irrelevant.

Belt buckle knives are illegal but knives openly suspended from a belt are not.
 
Swedge said:
The 3" limit in LA only applies to open carry.

Seeing the clip on the pocket is irrelevant.

Belt buckle knives are illegal but knives openly suspended from a belt are not.
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on what do you base the highlighted portion?
 
CA Penal Code § 12020(c):

(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife
or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of
ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury
or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position [emphasis added]
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By reason of the foregoing, a folding knife that is not a switchblade and that is carried in the closed position (which I have to admit I assumed was how the knife would be carried in the pocket) is not a dirk or dagger.

If not a dirk or dagger, then not subject to the prohibition on concealed carry.

If not subject to the prohibition on concealed carry, then who cares is the clip is showing?
 
Swedge said:
CA Penal Code § 12020(c):



By reason of the foregoing, a folding knife that is not a switchblade and that is carried in the closed position (which I have to admit I assumed was how the knife would be carried in the pocket) is not a dirk or dagger.

If not a dirk or dagger, then not subject to the prohibition on concealed carry.

If not subject to the prohibition on concealed carry, then who cares is the clip is showing?
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your previous post made reference to los angeles law, whereby any knife with a blade over 3" may not be openly carried.

if the clip is visible, it is not concealed. one would have to simply be able to identify the clip as belonging to a knife.
 
I see what you're getting at, or at least I think I do.

I was responding to three comments made by another poster, and I was not intending to link them together.

WRT the clip indicating that there is knife in the pocket, you are probably right. But that's not enough.

First, the knife must have a blade that is 3" or longer. The length of the blade is not evident from seeing a clip that is probably (but not necessarily) attached to a knife. While seeing the clip might give an officer probable cause to believe that a knife is being carried, that is not the same thing as having probable cause to believe that a knife with blade of 3" or more is being carried.

Second, having a knife in the pocket is clearly concealed for the purpose of the state statute prohibiting concealed carry of a dirk or dagger. You won't get off the hook if you had a fixed blade knife inside a pocket with a clip showing by saying that, "Oh, the clip was showing; therefore the knife wasn't concealed." If it's "concealed" for that purpose, it shouldn't be considered to be "in plain view" under the LA ordinance. The clip is in plain view but the knife itself is not.

JediKnight said "I'm going to California for a few days and it will probably be mostly recreational stuff outside the cities, maybe one day in town. This will be between San Francisco and Sacramento."

Since he was not going to be in LA, I wasn't focused on that ordinance as it applied to him. Again, I was responding to three separate comments another poster had made.

But if he were going to LA, I don't think that he would have a problem with a visible clip.
 
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