Camillus Black Ops CQB

WadeF said:
Is it basically the same knife as this?

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CMCQB4P

It's listed as CMCQB4P Camillus Close Quarter Battle Junior Black Ops Fixed Blade Terzuola and uses ATS-34. They want $70, for the 4" version. If I'm getting the same thing, other than the steel, in the 6" version for $30 I'm a happy camper. :)
Thier description is for the regular CQB-1, kind of misleading.

Jr. Close Quarter Battle Black Ops CQB4P Plain Edge
In the crowded world of production knives, Robert Terzuola’s martial designs are perfectly summed up by trademark "Nunquam Secundum" the Latin for "Second to None".
Over the last two decades, Terzuola has been widely noted as an industry pioneer in the design and execution of some of the world’s finest combat-oriented handmade and production cutlery.
The pragmatic, no-nonsense blades from his workbench are characterized by strength, performance and the unmistakeable look that simply defines the term "Tactical".
A proud maker of military knives since World War One, Camillus Cutlery Company is very honored for the opportunity to recreate an original Terzuola fixed blade design for professional adventurers world-wide.
The Close-Quarter Combat Series from Camillus-destined to set a new standard in production combat cutlery.

The CQB-1 sheath is precision formed from KYDEX By Blade-Tech Industries.
The unique design allows a multitude of carrying options due to its unique polymer "TEK-LOK" belt fastener that serves as an adjustable hanger for outside of the waistband/web gear carry. For inside the waistband use, a polymer belt-loop adjustable for belt width is also provided.
The TEK-LOK is much stronger than conventional belt hangers and is user adjustable for belt width, position, and right or left-handed users alike.
KYDEX is the ultimate high-performance sheath material, but because of its tightly molded construction it will mar the blade finish of your CQB-1 over time. We suggest a periodic cleaning of your sheath’s interior to reduce scuffing of your knife’s finish.
* 7-3/4" overall length
* 4" blade
* 5/32" blade thickness
*ATS-34 blade tempered to RC59 with Cuda® slik matte finish
* Hand-blended black canvas Micarta handle
* Stainless steel "driveless" screw construction
* Lanyard hole
* Multi-position Kydex® sheath with Tek-lok and adjustable inside the waistband "IWB" loop



You get carbon steel and no kydex with the black ops version.
 
Sportsmansguide apparently won't ship any knife, fixed or folding to Connecticut. Even though they imply otherwise, this is definitely a policy decision on their part, not any Connecticut law.

Despite their name, they do not appear to be very supportive of "sportsmen", so I will not be doing any business with them.

If anyone finds another good source for the CQB3 at a similar price, please let me know.
 
From the S.G. website:
Cutlery cannot be shipped to Delaware, Texas, Puerto Rico, Canada, or the Virgin Islands. Please check your State, County and City laws for restrictions before ordering cutlery.
They don't say anything about Connecticut in their disclaimer. Have they told you they won't ship there?
I doubt they picked several states at random to restrict shipping at the expense of eliminating millions of potential customers. They must've had problems in the past...

-Bob
 
The website doesn't say Connecticut, but a day or two after I placed the order I got an email saying it was restricted and couldn't be shipped. I then called and tried a couple of different CT zip codes and tried a small folder instead of a fixed, and they won't ship to CT. I can't imagine there is any law because they have the CQB at the local mall and I have ordered dozens of folders online and I have never heard of such a law in Connecticut before. What is most irritating is that they don't say it on the website and you don't find out they won't ship until later when they send you an email.
 
CDNN has the ATS-34 version of the CQB junior for $50 ($60 with kydex sheath). Seems like maybe an even better deal than sportsmansguide has on the carbon steel version...
 
I just got my Black Ops CQB from UPS. I couldn't turn it down for such a low price. However, it has confirmed my misgivings about knives that don't have guards. This one has a shallow finger cutout, but no actual guard.

I'd be awfully reluctant to make a hard stab with this knife. The handle is comfortable and grippy, but without a guard I just wouldn't try stabbing anything.

The problem of course is that this knife is supposed to be a fighter, and a fighter needs to be suitable for stabbing. I am sure a lot of people are going to answer and say that it is. But I am just not going to try any stabbing with a knife that does not have a substantial guard.
 
I am just not going to try any stabbing with a knife that does not have a substantial guard.
I agree. Would you say it's still worth $30, or do you wish you saved your $money$ ?

-Bob
 
I think the knife would be fine for utility uses. I wouldn't try stabbing with it, but otherwise it would be just as safe to use as any kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc., that does not have a prominent guard.

As far as wasting my money, I have bought a lot of knives just to collect rather than use. Depending on one's point of view, it could be argued that I waste money nearly every time I buy a knife. Since I enjoy collecting knives - even those I would not use for their intended purpose - I don't consider it a waste of money.

My wife would probably have a different opinion.
 
I would agree that the knife is more suitable for utility use than for fighting... Me, I don't do much knifefighting, so I'm going to use for bushcraft and such. My 4" was delivered today (can't wait to get off work.. heh). I'm thinking the 4" would be a more convenient size for my intended use, but there's the eternal question of handle length... I'll post my observations tomorrow.
 
W.T. Beck said:
The problem of course is that this knife is supposed to be a fighter, and a fighter needs to be suitable for stabbing.

Oh no!! I already placed my order! You mean I can't go out and stab people with it or my hand might slip up and get cut?! Darn! I guess I'll just have to use it as a tool and cut things normally.
 
Well, I finally got my hands on the 4" version... and it's interesting. Those with canned-ham fists, this is not your knife. The handle is, as others have stated, a little too short for real comfort. It's certainly not unusable, but the handle of the 6" version fits my hand a lot better.

Still a very, very cool little blade, though.
 
You mean I can't go out and stab people with it

If a knife is advertised for a particular purpose, then it ought to be suitable for that purpose whether or not anyone ever buys the knife intending to use it that way. As for the CQB, I am sure there are many who do think the handle is secure enough. Myself and others would rather have a knife with more ample guard - should it be carried for self-defense.
 
Last year, I sent a CQB4 to a helicopter pilot, deployed to Iraq. I posted it here. My mistake in the post was calling it a CQB3, when in fact it was the CQB4. Ooops!

And today, I just bought one for myself, so thanks for the link! :D
 
I have a CQB-1 and bought mine with the intent of using it as a general utility knife. There are probably better suited blade designs out there but I really like the overall concept of this knife.
 
You knew it was coming W T
There are two schools of thought on the gaurd thing.
No less an authority than John EK thought one was not needed on a fighter and defended the concept fiercely.
I'm kind of in this camp. AL Mar also designed knives, including my favorite little tanto with no gaurd. And in this case it does feel extremely dangerous. But that knife is just dangerous all around and very beautifull for its specific design qualities.

Others, notably ED Fowler, say no knife should not have a gaurd.
And can site many examples of injuries due to their lack.

Its a tool that may be had either way and in the CQBs case its an excellent design that uses a finger groove as your only protection.
Especially on the junior model the edge of the blade runs close to the finger groove. As a tool no problem (mostly) As a weapon....I dunno. I think I can consider the limitation of the tool in most cases and feel pretty safe with them.
I have stabbed mine full tilt into a heavy plastic drum.
It felt pretty freaky, only did it once, and didnt make it through.
Too small to really stab something hard with but my hand didn't slip at all....Of course I was very carefull to HOLD ONTO IT!!

This knife's purpose may be more subtle than mere stabbing.
For the folks who wanted handle impressions;
The handles are well made, rough Micarta, super grippy.
I thought the Junior models handle was too small for quite a while. Till I ended up owning one actually, always loved the bigger model.
But there is no way it could be as small as it is without a small handle.
Now I think its about the perfect length in relationship to the blade.
Its a dextrous little user and even if you have larger hands you can get used to it.

Also an excellent girlfriend knife
Mine loved hers.

Worth thirty bucks???!
Sheesh I guess so. You must be a real bargain hunter.
Id probably buy them to use as steak knives at that price!
 
Is the design appropriate for regular utility....or is it more focused toward stabbing and slicing?

Would this be a viable alternative to the Fallkniven F1?


Nitin
 
Of course I was very carefull to HOLD ONTO IT!!

I think there is a lot of personal preference involved here. My preference is for knives with ample guards. I've read about John Ek's opinion on guards, and how he demonstrated stabbing a metal drum with a guardless knife.

But there is a difference between a demonstration and a real life confrontation. One might be nervous and not have the presence of mind in such a situation to concentrate sufficiently in holding the knife tightly. That is my concern. I'd rather have a knife that won't let me screw up, than one I have to use so carefully.

I have to stress this is a personal preference. If someone is as cool-headed as Wyatt Earp or John Wayne, and can always concentrate on their grip no matter what, then maybe they don't need a guard.
 
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