Can a knife be both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade?

[bld522]

There's been quite a bit of conversation recently in another subforum on whether a folder can be turned into a REAL fixed-blade knife. I've always been under the impression that if a knife is designed to a folder . . . in other words, if it folds . . . it's not a fixed-blade by definition. Or to put it another way, a knife can't be both a folder and a fixed-blade at the same time. I realize it's possible to use pins and other devices to make a folder emulate a fixed-blade knife. But if those devices are removable and the knife folds by design after they're removed, it was never a fixed-blade knife to begin with.

So here's the question. Is there any way to construct a knife that is both a REAL folder and a REAL fixed-blade? And if it IS possible to do that, how would such a knife be constructed?

 

[shinyedges]

Sigh... turtle vote #1

 

[bld522]

That's why it's there.

 

[shinyedges]

Lol sorry I'm feeling craby (think Mr.crabs with out spongebob making him any$)

To me its simple if it folds it isn't fixed, no matter what. That said its possible to make a folder so strong it could rival *certain* fixed blades.

The term real fixed blade is for marketing.

That's why it's there.

 

[SamuraiDave]

Insert Batonning argument here.

Insert argument on different types of tangs on fixed blades here.

Insert argument on different types of locks on folders here.

I like turtles too.

 

[shinyedges]

Exactly.

Insert Batonning argument here.

Insert argument on different types of tangs on fixed blades here.

Insert argument on different types of locks on folders here.

I like turtles too.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I voted no. But I wanted to vote for turtles. Because I like turtles. Especially in soup.

 

[bld522]

Very good. Keep 'em coming . . .

PS: For what it's worth, arguments aside, my understanding is that the terms "fixed-blade" and "folder" are mutually-exclusive. We can nuance the thing to death if we want to. But if a knife is one, it can't be the other. Am I wrong?

 

[highestpoint]

I voted no. But I wanted to vote for turtles. Because I like turtles. Especially in soup.

This ^. But I like saving turtles out of the road :encouragement:

 

[marcinek]

Very good. Keep 'em coming . . .

PS: For what it's worth, arguments aside, my understanding is that the terms "fixed-blade" and "folder" are mutually-exclusive. We can nuance the thing to death if we want to. But if a knife is one, it can't be the other. Am I wrong?

No you are not. A folder can be a fixed blade only if we ignore what "folder" and "fixed blade" mean. A knife that can fold is a folder.

 

[orezona]

If you take apart your folder, it's still a fixed blade but with a really short tang, right?

/voted for turtles

 

[evltcat]

No you are not. A folder can be a fixed blade only if we ignore what "folder" and "fixed blade" mean. A knife that can fold is a folder.

Ding! Turtles please!

 

[Brisket]

Only in a virtual reality can a folding blade knife be a fixed blade knife. See what I did there?

 

[justsomedude]

Ever seen one of those knives that's essentially a fixed blade, but has a blade guard built in that swings to either cover the blade or meld with the handle? I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a picture of one, but I know I've seen the like.

I'd consider that to be both, as it is a fixed blade with a folding cover: a fixed blade folder.

Any knife that's tang and blade aren't the same piece of steel, or does not have a tang, is not a fixed blade.

 

[brancron]

Ever seen one of those knives that's essentially a fixed blade, but has a blade guard built in that swings to either cover the blade or meld with the handle? I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a picture of one, but I know I've seen the like.

I'd consider that to be both, as it is a fixed blade with a folding cover: a fixed blade folder.

Here's an example: http://www.bladehq.com/item--DPx-HIT-Skinner-Fixed-Blade-w--21678

I'd still consider it to be purely a fixed blade. If the blade can't pivot towards the handle, and vice versa, then it's a fixed blade.

 

[orezona]

Only in a virtual reality can a folding blade knife be a fixed blade knife. See what I did there?

 

[ANDYMARC3TIMS222]

http://www.bladehq.com/item--DPx-HIT-Cutter-Fixed-Blade-w--21679

 

[marcinek]

Here's an example: http://www.bladehq.com/item--DPx-HIT-Skinner-Fixed-Blade-w--21678

I'd still consider it to be purely a fixed blade. If the blade can't pivot towards the handle, and vice versa, then it's a fixed blade.

Its not a folder.

 

[ANDYMARC3TIMS222]

Damn it Brancron, you beat me. First post so you had the edge.........

 

[marcinek]

http://www.bladehq.com/item--DPx-HIT-Cutter-Fixed-Blade-w--21679

Also not a folder. Does the blade fold/slide/retract/rotate etc into the handle? No. A guard rotates from the handle onto the blade.